Going 80% vegan

Naer

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day 2 of it. so far so good. look noticeably more youthful. Gonna replace butter coffee with mtc coconut oil coffee. excited
 

Naer

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What in god's name is "butter coffee"?

i used to take a tbsp of butter with a tsp coffee, pop it in the microwave for one minute, then stir. Bam, butter coffee. Keeps you full for a long time. Gonna limit that to 2-3 times a week now. Gonna use coconut oil instead mostly
 
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mike8675309

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Drop dairy completely, increase your intake of water and your skin will very quickly thank you and you'll look better. 80% plant based is good but you can easily do better than that.
 

KIAman

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Drop dairy completely, increase your intake of water and your skin will very quickly thank you and you'll look better. 80% plant based is good but you can easily do better than that.

Is there research on dairy intake related to skin health? I'll be willing to drop dairy for good skin!
 

Pantlegz

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i used to take a tbsp of butter with a tsp coffee, pop it in the microwave for one minute, then stir. Bam, butter coffee. Keeps you full for a long time. Gonna limit that to 2-3 times a week now. Gonna use coconut oil instead mostly

Lol what? A tablespoon with a teaspoon of coffee? I almost thought this wasn't more of your trolling but it's either that you're a bit slow. Buttered coffee is typically a tbsp or so of butter per cup of coffee, I can't believe anyone would be dumb enough to spice their butter with a teaspoon of coffee...
 

deadlyapp

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day 2 of it. so far so good. look noticeably more youthful. Gonna replace butter coffee with mtc coconut oil coffee. excited
Try mixing the two. A Tbs of grass fed butter and a Tbs of MCT oil. Make sure it's good MCT oil and not just coconut oil. Blend with 8oz of hot coffee.

And I'm glad you're going Vegan. More delicious animals for me.
 

Mai72

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So, after only 2 days you look noticibly better? Imagine what a week will do!
 

mike8675309

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Is there research on dairy intake related to skin health? I'll be willing to drop dairy for good skin!
There are studies that associate dairy intake with acne outbreaks. There is a ton of anecdotal evidence, though genetics do play a roll.

The easiest way to know though is to simply take a week off from dairy. For women, ideally a week that isn't in the middle of hormone disruption due to a monthly cycle. Skip the dairy for a week and see if you notice any difference in your skin. If so, you have your answer for your genetics.

Humans are the only mammal that use the excretions from another mammal in their diet. We were not built to digest cow milk though many of us can. Even cow milk without added antibiotics, is full of various compounds and hormones intended to take a baby calf and grow it to hundreds of pounds in a few weeks.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2836431/
 

Crono

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How does 80% vegan work? Do you have a day and a half of "cheat" days, or are 80% of your meals vegan?
 

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How does 80% vegan work? Do you have a day and a half of "cheat" days, or are 80% of your meals vegan?

I would also consider myself mostly plant based nowadays as well. I went from eating up to two chicken breasts per day along with half-n-half with my coffee, to not cooking any meat at all and using almond milk in my coffee. I also make a green smoothie every morning (yay vitamix!), and because of that, I drink less coffee. Overall, I eat a lot of fruit, vegetables, grains, and lentils. Quinoa with roasted sweet potatoes, carrots, brussel sprouts, and chickpeas is one of my favorite dishes these days. On special occasions I'll eat meat, like if I'm at a cookout with friends (burgers and hotdogs are still delicious), or if it's served in front of me when I visit family, but otherwise I don't purpose cooking it on my own anymore. I've been doing this for over 3 months now.

Changes?
-I'm not pounding 150-200+ grams of protein a day anymore, but zero loss in strength at the gym. Energy is great.
-My skin health improved. In fact, because of the way I was born, my ears are prone to ear infections and very sensitive to loud sound (and not in a good way). My quality of life significantly improved with my ears, as I haven't had an ear infection in a while now and loud sound isn't as painful to me. This also happened when I did Keto, but being plant based is a lot easier and cheaper than doing Keto.
-I can't scientifically prove that my high plant intake was the reason I didn't get sick, but we recently had a plague go through the office with nearly everyone getting sick...but me.
-Meals are way, way more filling than I expected.
-Not trying to get TMI here, but #2's are effortless and gas is significantly less potent.
-Beer is vegan, lawlz~
-My wife and I spend more money buying fruits and vegetables than we did before (Vitamixes will devour your fridge), but they get eaten now rather than half of them going to waste. Grains are also a lot cheaper than buying meat, and they have a much longer shelf life, so overall it evens out.

All in all, I really enjoy it. It's definitely a new lifestyle for me, and I'm getting more creative with recipes and dishes.
 
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PeterScott

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I would describe that as more Vegetarian. Vegan tends to mean a lot more strict adherence. So the idea of eating animal products 20% daily and calling yourself 80% Vegan seems nonsensical.

I am heading much more vegetarian(if not totally), but I will likely never call myself vegan.

Many, if not most who identify as Vegan, are doing it for ethical reasons, this seems to be the case for the Vegans I know in real life, and most Vegans I see online. My Vegan Friends won't use any product that contributes to animal cruelty. So no leather belts/shoes, no cosmetics tested on animals, no pills in gelcap, etc.

Vegan implications typically go well beyond nutrition.

I am headed towards plant based nutrition exclusively, so while I order the same thing in a restaurant as my Vegan friends. I don't consider myself Vegan and don't identify that way.

I think we need a new word for those following plant based nutrition, that aren't Vegans.
 
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Kaido

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I think we need a new word for those following plant based nutrition, that aren't Vegans.

At the moment, the term is "plant-based diet", but I agree it needs a zippier name to differentiate people who follow a plant-based diet vs. a lifestyle that involves product boycotting etc. Vegan does involve a lot more than just food, like you said. Although oddly enough, the human exploitation side of the equation isn't discussed very often - illegal immigrant field labor, child labor, forced labor, "blood" food, etc. I mention that because there are percentages involved in veganism; it's not quite as cut & dry as people think it is. Some vegans go full organic, or only buy from local farms, or farm their own food, etc. There are a lot of crazy situations in the food world, and if you've ever watched any of those BTS animal farm videos, it's no wonder why some people are shocked into going the meat-free route. Our bulk food industry does a pretty poor job of treating animals well during their life, and that's a difficult problem to solve because business is driven by economics & because we have such a large amount of people to feed. Plus we recently hit a milestone in America...we now spend more on eating out than we do on food at home, because people don't know how or don't want to cook:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-26/first-time-americans-spend-more-eating-out-food-home

Plus the consumption habits have changed:
Consumers are eating alone more often and more "on demand". 47% of US meals are consumed alone and 43% of US consumers say they enjoy eating alone. Given how busy households and consumers have become, it is becoming more common to combine eating with catching up on news/social media, or to consume on the go. It also appears that the trend is for less planning for eating occasions. Millennials account for 40% of those who consume food within an hour of purchase. This is known as "immediate consumption" and accounts for about 15% of all meals. And 65% of instant consumables are eaten at home (source: Hartman Group/Forbes).



Food is a really interesting topic of discussion, especially in the United States, where we are blessed with having everything available all year round 24/7.
 

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I'm seriously thinking about going to a plant-based diet mainly for my health. My main restriction is a biggie. I 've been taking a blood thinner for most of my life so I should avoid or limit vitamin K intake. I guess this means I need to be consistent with my green leafy veggies.

What resources/links would you recommend to those new to plant-based diets? Most seem to have a vested interest in plant-based diets. I've watched a few of the movies with forks over knives being the best I've watched so far. I've also been watching youtube videos.

For breakfast during the past week I ate overnight oats with flax seed, 1/2 smashed banana stirred with unsweetened almond milk with some blueberries and raspberries on top. On the side I have a piece of whole wheat toast with peanut butter and the other 1/2 of the banana sliced. This is a very filling (and tasty) breakfast. I need to start milling my flax seed though. Now I just have to add two more meals and I'm a convert.

Also, Unnatural Vegan on youtube cited a study that suggests vegans need to eat more protein than you would need to eat if you were eating a "normal" diet. I guess plant-based proteins are different or processed differently than animal based proteins. Is that something you agree with?
 

PeterScott

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I'm seriously thinking about going to a plant-based diet mainly for my health. My main restriction is a biggie. I 've been taking a blood thinner for most of my life so I should avoid or limit vitamin K intake. I guess this means I need to be consistent with my green leafy veggies.

What resources/links would you recommend to those new to plant-based diets? Most seem to have a vested interest in plant-based diets. I've watched a few of the movies with forks over knives being the best I've watched so far. I've also been watching youtube videos.

For breakfast during the past week I ate overnight oats with flax seed, 1/2 smashed banana stirred with unsweetened almond milk with some blueberries and raspberries on top. On the side I have a piece of whole wheat toast with peanut butter and the other 1/2 of the banana sliced. This is a very filling (and tasty) breakfast. I need to start milling my flax seed though. Now I just have to add two more meals and I'm a convert.

Also, Unnatural Vegan on youtube cited a study that suggests vegans need to eat more protein than you would need to eat if you were eating a "normal" diet. I guess plant-based proteins are different or processed differently than animal based proteins. Is that something you agree with?

Leafy greens are likely one the healthiest things on earth to eat. IIRC the Heart disease reversal diet has patients eating Leafy greens 6 times/day. You really shouldn't limit these.

Instead talk to your doc. Tell him you want to eat healthier, make your change in steps, and get your clotting factors tested to do any readjustment to your Meds if necessary.

Vitamin K and Coumadin – What you need to Know

Most of the superiority of animal protein stuff circulating around at this point is myth. Most Vegetables/Grains/Starches have plenty of protein. Make sure any studies are human based not rats. I remember a competitive(with a class win) Vegan bodybuilder saying he aims for 1g protien per pound of bodyweight, which is similar to omnivore bodybuilders. Normal people, its more like half that, you don't need anything but regular food to meet typical vegan protein requirements, unless you are eating a junkfood vegan diet.
 

balloonshark

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Leafy greens are likely one the healthiest things on earth to eat. IIRC the Heart disease reversal diet has patients eating Leafy greens 6 times/day. You really shouldn't limit these.

Instead talk to your doc. Tell him you want to eat healthier, make your change in steps, and get your clotting factors tested to do any readjustment to your Meds if necessary.

Vitamin K and Coumadin – What you need to Know

Most of the superiority of animal protein stuff circulating around at this point is myth. Most Vegetables/Grains/Starches have plenty of protein. Make sure any studies are human based not rats. I remember a competitive(with a class win) Vegan bodybuilder saying he aims for 1g protien per pound of bodyweight, which is similar to omnivore bodybuilders. Normal people, its more like half that, you don't need anything but regular food to meet typical vegan protein requirements, unless you are eating a junkfood vegan diet.
Good info. Thank you!

I found this info about protein and it seems be in line what I saw in the video. I did not read the entire article as right now I'm just looking for basic guidelines. http://veganhealth.org/articles/protein#rec

The most important thing to be aware of regarding protein in vegan diets is that you need to get enough of the amino acid lysine. Make sure you read the section on lysine below and check out the high-lysine foods. Beyond that, there is evidence that erring on the side of more protein (1.0 to 1.1 grams of protein per kg of healthy body weight per day for adults) is a good idea, and especially for people 60 years and older.

Either way I'm sure I will soon be eating much better than I have in the past 15 years living off of frozen dinners and canned food.
 

PeterScott

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I found this info about protein and it seems be in line what I saw in the video. I did not read the entire article as right now I'm just looking for basic guidelines. http://veganhealth.org/articles/protein#rec

Yeah, I think that guy is the source for Unnatural Vegan. I would avoid unnatural Vegan. She doesn't think plant based eating is healthier, than omnivore eating, and she thinks Whole Plant based foods are some kind of wacky unhealthy fringe idea.

IMO the youtuber with the most credence (but a bit wacky delivery) about plant based nutrition is Dr. Greger (Nutritionfacts.org), his videos usually show all the studies directly. He has a whole series on protein:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-ROM7UHOLrcuekOyOcGZPR

The first night I discovered his videos I think I watched about 10 of them... You will get used to hearing "no studies about this... Until NOW!".

But definitely give Cronometer a whirl when building a new eating plan. I wouldn't worry if one day you only get 95% of one amino acid. That is not something to be seriously worried about. Just pay attention if you have significant ongoing deficits.

I am at the stage that I am still eating the animal products I have, but I am not buying any new ones... Or that's the plan anyway.
 

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I kinda of agree with some of the stuff that unnatural vegan is saying and some of it I take with a grain of salt. She does have many good points though as having too strict of a diet will cause some to give up. That makes complete sense to me plus as we all have cravings plus I can't really afford to go with a organic whole food diet some people push. My budget will top out at $120 a month.

I've heard a few suggest chronometer. It sounds like a useful tool. I'll give it a shot.

One of the doctors suggests lots of carbs/starches. I kinda thought they weren't that good for you and his argument that people have been eating them forever doesn't make much sense as now we actually have the means and choice to go with other foods. They are cheap and provide calories which is a huge plus.

I'm also like you. I'm trying to get rid of what meat and dairy I have left in the house. I'm looking forward to trying new fruits, veggies and other stuff. I actually ate my first avocado and bought mangos for the first time if you can believe that.
 

PeterScott

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I kinda of agree with some of the stuff that unnatural vegan is saying and some of it I take with a grain of salt. She does have many good points though as having too strict of a diet will cause some to give up. That makes complete sense to me plus as we all have cravings plus I can't really afford to go with a organic whole food diet some people push. My budget will top out at $120 a month.

I've heard a few suggest chronometer. It sounds like a useful tool. I'll give it a shot.

One of the doctors suggests lots of carbs/starches. I kinda thought they weren't that good for you and his argument that people have been eating them forever doesn't make much sense as now we actually have the means and choice to go with other foods. They are cheap and provide calories which is a huge plus.

I'm also like you. I'm trying to get rid of what meat and dairy I have left in the house. I'm looking forward to trying new fruits, veggies and other stuff. I actually ate my first avocado and bought mangos for the first time if you can believe that.

Nothing wrong with starchy food. Potatoes aren't problem, it's usually the milk and butter in them, or fried fats. I am not suggesting anyone try to force high carb. Just concentrate on plants and it will be hard to have it go any other way.

The problem with most high carb diets are that they are high carb versions of the Standard American Diet (AKA lots of junkfood), and still include problematic animal products.

Dr. Greger has shown studies with high carb plant diets well, and pretty much every health marker improves (lipids, blood sugar, insulin sensitivity, etc). Though I personally wouldn't go for a mostly fruit based diets. Just about any whole starch and Veggie combo should be fine (plus some seeds/nuts/grains).

A whole plant food diet is going to be pretty high carb automatically, but it won't be unhealthy. The heart disease reversal diet is VERY high carb and it reverses heart disease, literally clearing an opening up arteries. Nothing else has been documented to do that.

I feel exactly the same about exploring new plant options. They used to seem to expensive to me, but if I am not buying meat which is even more expensive, my food budget can more easily include them. Oatmeal is definitely a go to, everyday staple for me now. Quite inexpensive with decent protein content. I make Oatmeal with Almonds,Flax and Fruit everyday. Cronometer had that alone at over 20g of protein. I might add some greens on the side or before/after. I am doing greens about once/day which is up from about 1/week (or 0/week in my 20's). I'd like to bump greens to twice/day, maybe eventually 3/day. Also making chickpeas from dry. My favorite legume and also inexpensive with decent protein. Once you get over the "need animal protein" fixation, plants source are quite reasonably priced. I think my biggest issue will be how to season veggies.

Since we seem to be starting around the same time, it will be interesting to see if we both stick to it months from now.
 

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It will take me at least a month to get rid of all the canned meals and frozen dinners with meat in them. I really need to change what I eat though. The doctors have been wanting to put me on blood pressure and cholesterol medicine for years although my good cholesterol was "super woman good" the last time it was checked. Both my parents have heart issues and diabetes. Cancer also runs in the family. I'm also watching my mother fall apart physically and mentally as well as struggling with her meds because she refuses to eat anything she doesn't like. It a sad motivator.

Thanks for all the info. It's good to see more and more folks trying to eat healthy. I'll have to keep an eye on this topic and forum.
 

PeterScott

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It will take me at least a month to get rid of all the canned meals and frozen dinners with meat in them. I really need to change what I eat though. The doctors have been wanting to put me on blood pressure and cholesterol medicine for years although my good cholesterol was "super woman good" the last time it was checked. Both my parents have heart issues and diabetes. Cancer also runs in the family. I'm also watching my mother fall apart physically and mentally as well as struggling with her meds because she refuses to eat anything she doesn't like. It a sad motivator.

Thanks for all the info. It's good to see more and more folks trying to eat healthy. I'll have to keep an eye on this topic and forum.

My last eggs and frozen stuff went last week, all the animal product left in my fridge is cheese, and I when I eat some, it is more to get rid of it, than because I want it, I want it gone, but I am too frugal to throw it away.

I still have a fair bit of canned fish/meat and some whey protein powder... I figure by the new year, I will be mostly clear, but should be ramping down soon. By next week it will only be the canned stuff and Whey powder.

BTW For Blood Pressure, try adding ground flax seed, results have been as good as, if not better than BP meds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaMAQ5CIuIs

Its going to sound a bit nutty, but after adding a big scoop (~30g now, might be a bit much for some to start with) of ground flax to my oatmeal, I find that I get a real sense of well being after eating it, which I didn't get before adding flax. I must be really Omega 3 deficient or something. I never noticed anything with any other foods(plant or animal), but it really seems my body loves flax.
 
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