Going from AMD to INTEL?

[gizbug]

Buddy of mine upgraded from an athlon xp 2100 to an intel 2.6 ghz, and he says I should upgrade to intel. He says intel jumps hoops over amd, quicker bootup, quicker loading of apps/games.

From reviews I see of the xp 3000, it seems on par with some top intels out there. I have a 2100xp, with 1 gig ram. I am finding it hard to justify upgrading to an intel system, which would require a complete overall.

Anyone have any comments on this? Thanks

 

[Keysplayr]

If it aint broke, don't fix it.

Keys

 

[NightTrain]

I'm currently running a 2.4 Northwood rig and still clinging to my old 1.33 Tbird.

Both run great but the P4 rig seems to have more windows probs/lockups than the AMD pc. The P4 is alot quieter altho the temps aren't any better but my Tbird runs very cool. When I play a game, my P4 temps will increase 10c to ~48C and playing the same game, my Tbird will only increase 2C to ~41C. I really wish I knew how much the P4's internal diode versus the Tbird's socket thermister affects the temperatures.

If I had to build another right now, I'm not really sure what I would do. I guess I haven't been much help

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Buddy of mine upgraded from an athlon xp 2100 to an intel 2.6 ghz, and he says I should upgrade to intel. He says intel jumps hoops over amd, quicker bootup, quicker loading of apps/games.

From reviews I see of the xp 3000, it seems on par with some top intels out there. I have a 2100xp, with 1 gig ram. I am finding it hard to justify upgrading to an intel system, which would require a complete overall.

Anyone have any comments on this? Thanks

Tell your buddy he's an Idiot. He payed for an insanely expensive 2.6GHZ cpu, when he could have gotten a Xp2100 for $93 which almost guarantees XP2600 with a decent Nforce 2 + DDR333 combo.

 

[techietam]

Originally posted by: human2k

Originally posted by: gizbug
Buddy of mine upgraded from an athlon xp 2100 to an intel 2.6 ghz, and he says I should upgrade to intel. He says intel jumps hoops over amd, quicker bootup, quicker loading of apps/games.

From reviews I see of the xp 3000, it seems on par with some top intels out there. I have a 2100xp, with 1 gig ram. I am finding it hard to justify upgrading to an intel system, which would require a complete overall.

Anyone have any comments on this? Thanks

Tell your buddy he's an Idiot. He payed for an insanely expensive 2.6GHZ cpu, when he could have gotten a Xp2100 for $93 which almost guarantees XP2600 with a decent Nforce 2 + DDR333 combo.

First of all, calling someone an Idiot because he went with an Intel CPU and not AMD shows your lack of respect to people's opnion.
Now... You just suggested spending $93 on a 2100+ CPU, when the post started with: Buddy of mine upgraded an athlon xp 2100 to an intel 2.6 ghz

Edit: and and another thing.. What if he doesn't want to o/c? And if he does, why do you think that he can't o/c P4 2.6

You see my point..?

 

[Keysplayr]

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Tell your buddy he's an Idiot. He payed for an insanely expensive 2.6GHZ cpu, when he could have gotten a Xp2100 for $93 which almost guarantees XP2600 with a decent Nforce 2 + DDR333 combo.[/quote]

Before you go around calling anyone an idiot (unless you have a mirror in front of you of course) just check out this XP2100+ Review from Anandtech sparky. Then come back here and tell me again what the performance of the Athlon XP 2100+ equates to in a P4.

Dont be so quick to judge people.

Keys

 

[LastRide]

That review is not for the Tbred "B" but the Palomino 2100+.The Tbred is a different story.

 

[Keysplayr]

Then find a review with the Tbred please and post the link.
It doesn't have a PR rating of 2100 for nothing.

Thanks

 

[AlucardBelmont]

Well, I just changed my computer from AMD XP 1500+ to Intel 2.4b 2 days ago,
here's my opinion.
1. they said AMD is hotter than Intel,but what I've seen is my Intel 2.4b with intel retail hsf runs at 45 C idle and 55 c full loaded.
so I'm not quite happy ,considering I've heard a lot about Intel low temperature.
2. quicker bootup?obviously no.It depends on lot of factor I guess(mb, etc...) MY XP 1500+ for example bootup faster than my 2.4b.
3. AMD is as as stable as Intel if you choose the right components for your pc and install your os correctly.
4. Intel 2.4b with c stepping is a very good overclockers ^^,I'm running at 2.7 ghz now.Yeah, it's not much,but I'm very sure that I'll be able to get at least 2.8 ghz stable with this processor.I've running prime95 on 2.8 GHZ for 5 hours and nothing wrong. The main problem is the temperature is 70-75 C, that's why I decided to run it at 2.7GHZ. With better cooling,I'm certain that 2.8 GHZ is not a problem.
5. Intel HSF is very quiet, I like it.

In Taiwan, the price of Intel 2.4 ghz is about us$164 , while XP2400+ is about us$154. for additional 10$, you get "Intel BIG NAME" and a hsf, while you have to purchase additional hsf for AMD.
That's why I choose the Intel way. ^^

 

[sash1]

bench showing AMD 2100+ almost on par with P4 2.6
and in video encoding the 2100+ is about on par with the P4 2.6

Yes, the p4 does come out on top most of the time, but it's not even a fair comparison to begin with, so whatever. I'd agree with keys on this one: "If it aint broke, don't fix it."

No reason to waste money on a little gain. It's pointless.

"they said AMD is hotter than Intel"

thats becuase AMD is...

"but what I've seen is my Intel 2.4b with intel retail hsf runs at 45 C idle and 55 c full loaded."

...That's what you get for using a retail HSF.

"Intel HSF is very quiet, I like it."

Point...? As if AMD hsf's aren't? I don't get this statement at all.

~Aunix

 

[AlucardBelmont]

"Intel HSF is very quiet, I like it."

Point...? As if AMD hsf's aren't? I don't get this statement at all.

~Aunix[/quote]

I means Intel retail HSF, running at 2400 rpm,how loud do you expect it'll be?
Most(not all) AMD users use loud HSF.That's what I know and I can be wrong. ^^

 

[sash1]

Originally posted by: AlucardBelmont
"Intel HSF is very quiet, I like it."

Point...? As if AMD hsf's aren't? I don't get this statement at all.

~Aunix

I means Intel retail HSF, running at 2400 rpm,how loud do you expect it'll be?
Most(not all) AMD users use loud HSF.That's what I know and I can be wrong. ^^[/quote]Well, here are some slow running AMD hsf

~Aunix

 

[AlucardBelmont]

well, I'm not saying there's no slow running AMD HSF.
I'm saying most of AMD users use loud HSF.
if you are curious, u can make a poll to ask at what speed they run their hsf. ^^

 

[Shimmishim]

i have to agree....

if it ain't broke... do'nt fix it... UNLESS YOU HAVE THE MONEY

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Buddy of mine upgraded from an athlon xp 2100 to an intel 2.6 ghz, and he says I should upgrade to intel. He says intel jumps hoops over amd, quicker bootup, quicker loading of apps/games.

Gizbug the main thing you should ask your friend is how long was his OS installed on his last hard drive with the Athlon. I get that a lot from friends that do upgrades only to find they have had there OS on there last drive for well over a year. And you know how crud builds up in the reg. not to mention the stuff that may be running in the background he didn't know about. That would be my line of thinking.

No he sould not see night and day from this upgrade.

 

[Cerb]

Faster bootup time and faster loading is as dependent on the chipset and mobo itself as it is the processor, and more dependent on the OS. I'm about to reinstall Win2k on my machine here for that reason. On a new install with everything loaded (all updates, games, etc.), it took 30-someodd seconds to reach logon. Now it takes almost two minutes.
That isn't VIA, Intel, or AMD, it's what happens to any lingering install that has had stuff done to it, largely because many applications have poor uninstallations. Not that a P4 2.6GHz is bad, but it is so much more expensive than a 2.4, and without anough extra to make it worthwhile.

Right now it's $76 more for the 2.6GHz/133FSB retail (comparing to 2.4/133FSB retail), which could have gotten 512MB RAM if DDR, a good soundcard, better mobo, burner, case, mouse, etc. just by going down ever so slightly to a 2.4.

Wait on that upgrade until you feel you need it. AMD is cheaper for what you get, but depending on what you want and need, Intel may or may not be a better choice. However, his arguments are wrong either way.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Buddy of mine upgraded from an athlon xp 2100 to an intel 2.6 ghz, and he says I should upgrade to intel. He says intel jumps hoops over amd, quicker bootup, quicker loading of apps/games.

From reviews I see of the xp 3000, it seems on par with some top intels out there. I have a 2100xp, with 1 gig ram. I am finding it hard to justify upgrading to an intel system, which would require a complete overall.

Anyone have any comments on this? Thanks

um, i'm actually going in the reverse. i'm gonna dump my 1.6a@2.4/845D system for a 2100+@whatever i get it to/nforce2 system.

 

[dxkj]

I think the early point about the 2100+ was that it could be overclocked to 2600+ almost guaranteed.... and kick the p4 2.6

 

[mechBgon]

Another thing that seems to slow the boot process is the 5 trillion security patches needed to bring the Windows installation up to speed. And if he got a newer, faster hard drive at the same time as the rest of it, that's probably got a lot to do with the responsive feel too.

Looking at your current rig, you've got an A7V133 with SDRAM. Whether you upgraded to a faster AMD platform or a faster Intel platform, you're going to have to leave some stuff behind.

Here's my perspective: for the price of a P4 2.6GHz CPU alone, you'd be most of the way to an EPoX 8RDA+ (from mwave.com) and two 512Mb sticks of Crucial PC2700 (from googlegear.com). You could drop in your present CPU as-is, or unlock it and run the CPU/memory in sync at 166MHz for about a 6% performance boost at equivalent CPU MHz. You get excellent 5.1 audio, Firewire, LAN, USB 2.0 everywhere, support for up to six banks of memory, AGP 8x (for what it's worth) and an upgrade path to 333MHz-bus CPUs later on.

If you really want to put some snap into your rig, bite the bullet and get a Seagate Cheetah 15k.3 and an Ultra160 SCSI card to go with these other goodies. Click the Sort button here and see what 15000rpm SCSI has to offer The best showcase for SCSI is probably the Fileserver test, where the best IDE drives are outperformed by more than 100%.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: mechBgon or unlock it and run the CPU/memory in sync at 166MHz for about a 6% performance boost at equivalent CPU MHz.

he wouldn't need to unlock it, as the nforce2 does that automatically to t-breds. otherwise, i agree with your post.

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: dxkj
I think the early point about the 2100+ was that it could be overclocked to 2600+ almost guaranteed.... and kick the p4 2.6

exactly. i thought everyone knew about tbred B's :Q.

 

[SinfulWeeper]

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Who cares if you can OC that XP2100 to XP2600 speeds and say it performs just as well if not better than the Intel @ 2.6GHz speeds. Just OC that 2.6 and sit back and Laugh @ AMD's stupid PR rating. The PR rating is just a way to get prime dollar for their MHz since AMD lacks the ability to crank out high MHz CPU's.

 

[Cerb]

Who cares if you can OC that XP2100 to XP2600 speeds and say it performs just as well if not better than the Intel @ 2.6GHz speeds. Just OC that 2.6 and sit back and Laugh @ AMD's stupid PR rating. The PR rating is just a way to get prime dollar for their MHz since AMD lacks the ability to crank out high MHz CPU's.

If the originator isn't asking about overclocking, none of it matters. We can argue about the AMD PR rating (which is pretty close until the Bartons) and such, but except for the non-synthetic benchmarks themselves, it does not matter for this thread. Sure, you could OC that 2.6 to 3.0 or so, sure the 2100 could get to 2600 and higher...so what?

 

[lobadobadingdong]

my 2cents,
if you look at the prices of intel mobo + cpu combos, and the similar speed amd offerings of mobo + cpu combo, at about the 2600 is where the $ for $ gives you even performance to price ratio, everything below that amd's offerings seem to give better bang for the buck(no oc'ing in what I'm looking at). But consider this, I work on dell's as a sub-contractor for on-site support I've seen dimension 8200's(850e chipset) with 2.8Ghz(533fsb) p4's, matched 512MB rimms that seemed painfully slow compared to my amd 1700+(oc'd to 2000+ speeds) with 2@512MBpc2700(cl2.5 mind you), it depends on what kind of software you run, if you have software that will use sse2 instructions then yes the p4 will be for you, if use software that is heavy on mathmatical aspects(CAD, Distrubuted Computing, File compression, etc.) then an amd offering would be better suited for you. also don't forget a 1.8Ghz p4 is only marginally faster than the 1.3Ghz p3.the 1.6p4 actually lost a few benches to the p3. :Q btw my system when I bought it was over $800 cheaper than the dell mentioned above, and had a much faster vid card, 9700pro(dell wasn't offering them yet) vs. ti4600. you also won't get fast performance from a p4 without a memory sub-system faste enough to feed their long pipelines.

from looking at your system specs, a newer mobo and faster memory would do you well. a good kt333 or kt400 board with some pc2700 would give you about 10-20% increase in speed with your current proc.

if his 2.6Ghz p4 can beat my boot time of 14s to the desktop, he must be running a very fast initializing raid card. and a raid 0 array of some kind. I've never seen an intel rig beat my system to the desktop from a cold boot.(i've seen a linux hack on a cmos bios chip do it in 4 seconds though, no gui mind you, OMFG! the things some people have the time and hard headedness for.)

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks

Originally posted by: gizbug
Buddy of mine upgraded from an athlon xp 2100 to an intel 2.6 ghz, and he says I should upgrade to intel. He says intel jumps hoops over amd, quicker bootup, quicker loading of apps/games.

From reviews I see of the xp 3000, it seems on par with some top intels out there. I have a 2100xp, with 1 gig ram. I am finding it hard to justify upgrading to an intel system, which would require a complete overall.

Anyone have any comments on this? Thanks

um, i'm actually going in the reverse. i'm gonna dump my 1.6a@2.4/845D system for a 2100+@whatever i get it to/nforce2 system.

Edipus, old buddy old pal old buddy..... Can I have your dumped system?
hehe,
Keys