Going to War With NVIDIA

[BFG10K]

Don't think so.

Who cares? Your actions speak for themselves.

Again, either put-up or shut-up.

But I did put up - I brought up your ridiculous arguments about Vista drivers and G80 but you took issue with that.

Again there was another past member here that didn't want people "digging up ancient history" whenever it was being used to contest current arguments.

See, and I didn't even have to make a below-the-belt "but you're a fanATIc..."

I've been quite vocal against ATi on many issues (loud coolers, lacking SSAA, broken AAA, driver issues, etc). What you choose to call me is quite irrelevant since my actions refute your claims.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Who cares?

Well being as it's against the rules, I take it the mods probably care, as do most other members who are getting sick of it.

Originally posted by: BFG10KBut I did put up - I brought up your ridiculous arguments about Vista drivers and G80 but you took issue with that.

It was a friendly debate, or so I thought, but apprently you'd like to take it farther than that. I will remain on my position that nVidia should have Vista drivers when Vista is available. If that's too ridiculous for you, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.


Nelsieus

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

You included a server-class motherboard

That's beside the point. The point is that SLI worked on non-SLI chipsets before.

Ummm how's it beside the point? They even mention how it's useful for Quadro cards in workstations...

I don't see this as a big deal, honestly. Originally, I thought Mr. Fox was making a decent post about the proceedings, but his e-mail makes him look like the little tattler/whiner.

Sorry if you don't like it, but that's how I perceive it. Even if your post whined about AMD/ATi, I'd still think the same of it. Especially after your arrogance with OCZ and the laughable attitude that you bring forth, I don't think I can take you seriously anymore.

EDIT: You are officially now the Jack Thompson of Anandtech. I'm pondering making a thread to have that made your official title .

 

[BFG10K]

Well being as it's against the rules,

What's against the rules? Me pointing out that you're acting like another member?

I think not.

You made the inference that I'm saying you're Rollo but that (false) inference is your problem, not mine.

I will remain on my position that nVidia should have Vista drivers when Vista is available.

That's fine but I never got an admission from you that the card isn't Vista ready and therefore nVidia were falsely advertising.

You can't claim it's okay for nVidia to ship drivers on Jan 30th while stating the card is Vista ready now.

That's where the problem with your argument is - you're trying to have it both ways.

 

[BFG10K]

Ummm how's it beside the point?

Err, what? This thread is about the inability to run SLI on non-nVidia chipsets. Nitromullet then posted a link demonstrating this was possible in the past.

I'd say it's extremely relevant.

Especially after your arrogance with OCZ and the laughable attitude that you bring forth, I don't think I can take you seriously anymore.

EDIT: You are officially now the Jack Thompson of Anandtech. I'm pondering making a thread to have that made your official title

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here: I assume you're referring to Mr Fox with those comments?

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
What's against the rules? Me pointing out that you're acting like another member?

Not preventing evidence to support that just portrays the poor character on your part. Trying to opress those who disagree with you by attempting to link them to unfavorable members, yet failing to back any of that up really speaks for itself...

I'm still waiting...this is, what, the fourth time you've rambled such a beligerent accusation....still waiting for the put-up (unfourtunately, it's evident you're not going to shut-up :roll: )

Nelsieus

 

[Wreckage]

The point is all he did was send an email and got a canned response. Nothing will change and his life will be miserable I guess.

 

[BFG10K]

Not preventing evidence to support that just portrays the poor character on your part.

:roll:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=42&threadid=1750472&enterthread=y&arctab=y">Posted by Rollo at 12/07/2005 12:54 PM:
Thread should probably be locked or deleted given the amount of finger pointing based on Salem-esque witch logic going on there?

Posted by Rollo at 12/07/2005 02:23 PM
More baseless, shameless, unsubstantiated FUD from a poster who used to have something usefull to say every now and again.
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1979433&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear">Posted by Nelsieus at 12/23/2006 10:43 AM:
"Witch-hunting" is prohibited in this board, and unless you have evidence to back-up your claims, you could potentially be reported to the mods.</a>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=42&threadid=1979599&enterthread=y">Posted by Nelsieus at 12/23/2006 12:39 PM:
Witch-Hunting Continues in Video Forum</a>

Like I said your actions and behaviour back up the claims. It's ironic that the most vocal opponent "witch hunts" in the past turned out to be an AEG shill so you'll excuse me if I have some suspicions.

 

[josh6079]

Well being as it's against the rules...

Where's it at here?

from here.

Common sense are the rules here. Honestly, BFG10K is making more common sense than you right now so I don't think he's breaking the rules at all.

 

[hemmy]

Wreckage makes the most sense, and as I stated in the forums, NVIDIA has all the right in the world to make SLI exclusive to SLI labeled motherboards

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Not preventing evidence to support that just portrays the poor character on your part.

:roll:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=42&threadid=1750472&enterthread=y&arctab=y">Posted by Rollo at 12/07/2005 12:54 PM:
Thread should probably be locked or deleted given the amount of finger pointing based on Salem-esque witch logic going on there?

Posted by Rollo at 12/07/2005 02:23 PM
More baseless, shameless, unsubstantiated FUD from a poster who used to have something usefull to say every now and again.
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1979433&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear">Posted by Nelsieus at 12/23/2006 10:43 AM:
"Witch-hunting" is prohibited in this board, and unless you have evidence to back-up your claims, you could potentially be reported to the mods.</a>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=42&threadid=1979599&enterthread=y">Posted by Nelsieus at 12/23/2006 12:39 PM:
Witch-Hunting Continues in Video Forum</a>

Like I said your actions and behaviour back up the claims. It's ironic that the most vocal opponent "witch hunts" in the past turned out to be an AEG shill so you'll excuse me if I have some suspicions.

It's quite obvious that you have a lack of support for your claims when you try linking two points, that most members on these boards all feel - non finger pointing and witch-hunts.

I suppose you're accusing everyone who dislikes the finger-pointing of which you're partaking in as links to Rollo...

:roll:

Nelsieus

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Not preventing evidence to support that just portrays the poor character on your part.

:roll:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=42&threadid=1750472&enterthread=y&arctab=y">Posted by Rollo at 12/07/2005 12:54 PM:
Thread should probably be locked or deleted given the amount of finger pointing based on Salem-esque witch logic going on there?

Posted by Rollo at 12/07/2005 02:23 PM
More baseless, shameless, unsubstantiated FUD from a poster who used to have something usefull to say every now and again.
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1979433&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear">Posted by Nelsieus at 12/23/2006 10:43 AM:
"Witch-hunting" is prohibited in this board, and unless you have evidence to back-up your claims, you could potentially be reported to the mods.</a>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=42&threadid=1979599&enterthread=y">Posted by Nelsieus at 12/23/2006 12:39 PM:
Witch-Hunting Continues in Video Forum</a>

Like I said your actions and behaviour back up the claims. It's ironic that the most vocal opponent "witch hunts" in the past turned out to be an AEG shill so you'll excuse me if I have some suspicions.

Shills are easy to spot... they are the ones that read black and white, and rectally extract their own interpretation of what was said.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Shills are easy to spot... they are the ones that read black and white, and rectally extract their own interpretation of what was said.

Are you saying you are a shill?

 

[Gamingphreek]

This is ridiculous. There is no evidence to support your claim that any of this has really happened. You linked to definitions explaining what Anti-Trust laws are which does nothing.

Let this thread die...without support it is just a thread for open flaming.

-Kevin

(Guys, the Rollo stuff is really getting old. If you think so send a PM to a Mod or something with a lot of evidence or just deal with the fact that people have different personalities than your own.)

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nvidia stated that in order to use SLI all one needed was two SLI capable GPU's that were of the same model with two PCI-E lanes on a PCI-E supported motherboard.

Actually, in the beginning, you needed a SLi motherboard, because I don't recall a single board that wasn't a SLi board that came with two 16x PCI-E connectors. Also, these boards, like I mentioned above, supported lane redirection via riser card or on-board chip.

DFI's LanParty Ultra NF4 chipset had two physical pci-e 16X slots. In fact people where able to mod those motherboards to allow SLI.

I don't blame Nvidia for wanting to make SLI exclusive for SLI chipsets that's just good buisness, however, I don't know the law well enough to decide if it is illegal or not (that is what lawyers and judges are for). Nevertheless, I as a customer would really enjoy this nonsense that both companies do to stop. SLI and crossfire certified ram? Come-on.

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nvidia stated that in order to use SLI all one needed was two SLI capable GPU's that were of the same model with two PCI-E lanes on a PCI-E supported motherboard.

Actually, in the beginning, you needed a SLi motherboard, because I don't recall a single board that wasn't a SLi board that came with two 16x PCI-E connectors. Also, these boards, like I mentioned above, supported lane redirection via riser card or on-board chip.

DFI's LanParty Ultra NF4 chipset had two physical pci-e 16X slots. In fact people where able to mod those motherboards to allow SLI.

I don't blame Nvidia for wanting to make SLI exclusive for SLI chipsets that's just good buisness, however, I don't know the law well enough to decide if it is illegal or not (that is what lawyers and judges are for). Nevertheless, I as a customer would really enjoy this nonsense that both companies do to stop. SLI and crossfire certified ram? Come-on.

Sums it up well for me. I think there are some good points on Nvidia's behavior that might make a case. But is it bad enough to pursue? Is it harming consumers enough to warrant an investigation? Not sure because I refuse to buy into the garbage they call SLI and Crossfire.

Entertaining thread though.

 

[BFG10K]

It's quite obvious that you have a lack of support for your claims

It is? To whom?

What's obvious is your posting style and how it resembles a certain past member. What's also obvious is how you continously ignore evidence.

I've been called an AEG member but I didn't go crying to the mods about it because it was a baseless and ridiculous accusation and it was dealt with in the thread without threats of mod involvement.

Like I said before, those that complain the loudest and make melodramas out of it tend to gather my suspicions.

I don't blame Nvidia for wanting to make SLI exclusive for SLI chipsets that's just good buisness

Neither do I really - if nVidia only want to support SLI on their own chipsets that's fine. The problem I have is blocking the likes of Crossfire.

If ATi wants to bear the burden of supporting Crossfire on nVidia chipsets that's not nVidia's problem and they shouldn't be blocking it. It's nVidia's blocking that could be considered anti-trust.

 

[LordLee]

Sigh -- frivolous allegation like this is such as waste of the tax payers' money.

Shame on you...

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: n7
I like this thread for various reasons :thumbsup:

I guess the title is one of them?

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
What's obvious is your posting style and how it resembles a certain past member. What's also obvious is how you continously ignore evidence.

That's fine if you want to continue conspiring such thoughts, but as long as you're basing it off "posting-style," then I'm fairly comfortable you'll be taken with little merit.

Originally posted by: BFG10KIf ATi wants to bear the burden of supporting Crossfire on nVidia chipsets that's not nVidia's problem and they shouldn't be blocking it. It's nVidia's blocking that could be considered anti-trust.

Same goes for ATI. Last time I checked, SLI was not supported on ATI chipsets. Perhaps this is the anti-trust case that the DOJ is reviewing both nVidia and ATI (AMD) on, even though "price-fixing," has been the alleged reason.

Nelsieus

 

[lopri]

While it's not likely to happen, but I do agree with the OP's point of view. PCI-E is an open industry standard. That means, a PCI-E graphics card should work in a PCI-E supporting motherboard. Think about it. That's why we can use ATI graphics card on NForce boards, and that's why we can use NV graphics card on Intel boards. Is NV graphics chips/drivers NV's intelectual property? Absolutely. But they still work on ATI boards that support PCI-E, don't they? What would happen, say, if NV attempted to keep all other chipsets/boards but NForce boards from running their graphics cards?

Of course NV wouldn't be so stupid, but imagine IF (this is a big 'IF', btw) Intel came out with high-end graphics card 3 years from now and locked all other graphics cards out of their chipsets/boards? Would that still be Intel's intelectual property (GPU) + Intel's intelectual property (chipset)? This example is an extreme but the underlying assumption is the same.

The bottom line is, as long as chipsets/motherboards abide by PCI-E specification which is an industry standard and has multiple PCI-E slots, SLI should work in theory and in practice. NV themselves know this, so when asked why they wouldn't let SLI viable on 975X, their answer was the pathetic "Intel chipset doesn't have enough bandwidth for SLI". They couldn't possibly say "We won't give up our final card".

Said that, it's a sad truth that technology isn't just about technology like everything else in life. It's about economics, politics, and whatnot. But I'd like to show my greatest respect to the OP and his courage.

 

[BFG10K]

That's fine if you want to continue conspiring such thoughts, but as long as you're basing it off "posting-style," then I'm fairly comfortable you'll be taken with little merit.

Great, except my posts' merit isn't under scrutiny, your posting style is. I'm also not the only one to take issue with your posting style.

Same goes for ATI. Last time I checked, SLI was not supported on ATI chipsets.

That would be because nVidia doesn't enable SLI on ATi chipsets, not because ATi is blocking it.

This is the exact opposite of Crossfire on nVidia chipsets.

But hey, if ATi are doing something to block SLI then of course it would be good for the consumer if this was looked into.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
That would be because nVidia doesn't enable SLI on ATi chipsets, not because ATi is blocking it.

This is the exact opposite of Crossfire on nVidia chipsets.

But hey, if ATi are doing something to block SLI then of course it would be good for the consumer if this was looked into.

Well you kind of contradicted yourself, so I'm a little confused. First, you say nVidia doesn't allow SLI on ATI chipsets, but then you say it should be looked into, so I'm assuming you're really unsure?

Nelsieus

 

[BFG10K]

First, you say nVidia doesn't allow SLI on ATI chipsets, but then you say it should be looked into, so I'm assuming you're really unsure?

No, I'm saying if ATi is blocking SLI on their chipsets then that warrants investigation. I'm not saying they are blocking SLI.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

It's quite obvious that you have a lack of support for your claims

It is? To whom?

What's obvious is your posting style and how it resembles a certain past member. What's also obvious is how you continously ignore evidence.

I've been called an AEG member but I didn't go crying to the mods about it because it was a baseless and ridiculous accusation and it was dealt with in the thread without threats of mod involvement.

Like I said before, those that complain the loudest and make melodramas out of it tend to gather my suspicions.

I don't blame Nvidia for wanting to make SLI exclusive for SLI chipsets that's just good buisness

Neither do I really - if nVidia only want to support SLI on their own chipsets that's fine. The problem I have is blocking the likes of Crossfire.

If ATi wants to bear the burden of supporting Crossfire on nVidia chipsets that's not nVidia's problem and they shouldn't be blocking it. It's nVidia's blocking that could be considered anti-trust.

BFG. Who the F cares what members posting style Nelsius may resemble. Jesus, it was only one comment from him, and suddenly he's Rollo? You need to either: 1. Get Rollo back here so you can have your sentimental chats (because obviously you just can't let him go) or 2. Ask him out on a date.

Get over it.