GoldenOrb & Peltier

LP

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GoldenOrb and a Peltier is this ok?
My Orb is siting very tight.
I have a celeronII 566@850MHz

Will it work?
 

SniPeZ

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I have been pondering the idea too LP. i'm thinking if i solder some more "large-finned" heatsinks to the sides of my slot one orb and since i have a lot a air flow (about 330 cfm), it might be possible to disspate the heat of a 55 watts peltier. i would like to hear more comments on this though before i tried it.
 

ShadowDancer

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Not according to what I've seen and read with the Orbs. That's one of the reasons I parted with the money and got an Alpha. I don't have a pelt on it now, but it wouldn't be that hard to install one. Though with the new Orbs and their more classic mounts, it might be possible.
 

BuddyHolly

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I hate to agree having not tried it myself, but I have heard that the GO cannot handle much more wattage than they are forced to handle form the CPU itself. Even a mild peltier like a 55w will add 100% to 200% to the amout of heat it has to dissipate. The alpha's have much higher reserves and are not as close to the edge. But you can try it, if it does not work, get an alpha. Just watch for runaway temps..
 

BlackFalcon

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Yo, hold up a minute! Before we consider the fact that GOrbs can't handle the extra heat we need to look at the physical package.
The fact is that a peltier simply can not be used with an orb. The mechanism used to attach the orb to a chip is just too tight. No room. At least thats what all the sites I've read have said. My orb hasn't arrived yet.
They have said you might be able to mod the orb to let it work if you really wanted to.
 

BuddyHolly

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Not having seen one, but will a GO cover 40mmx40mm that are the dimensions of most peltiers? I thing the 55w may be only 30mmx30mm, but still, does it full cover it or do the corners stick out?
 

LP

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Thanks to all.
/waiting for PC133 Ram.Want to brake the 1.0 GHz mark.
 

LP

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Hi BuddyHolly
I don´t think it will cover a full 40x40mm peltier.
Is this very important?

 

Mikewarrior2

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even if it is big enough, it lacks the overall mass and ability to disappate that kind of wattage(remember, ti needs to get rid of CPU heat + 55 Watt peltier, so it looks like 80-90Watts overall heat)... that's a wee bit much for gorbs.


Mike
 

BuddyHolly

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You must have it fully covered on the hot side or it will burn out or atleast perform poorly. Still doubt it will work, but worth a shot. Not many people would belive my 112w peltier could be run by the same 300w power supply.
I had a friend who bought a crappy heatsink/peltier combo a while back that the heatsink was not up to the task. I had read about this thing and warned him about it. With a stock heatsink his chip ran around 120f. With this undercooling piece of crap it went up to 150f and then the motherboard shut it down. Got hot enough to warp the heatsink since the chip got to 150f and the heatsink got much, much hotter...so be careful...good luck, let us know what you try.
 

Mikewarrior2

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just seeing that a Gorb on my p3-650@975, 1.75 volts heat up like a comet scares me to even think about putting a peltier on their..

My PEP66 also gets warm, but nowhere near as warm as a gorb does.



Mike
 

LP

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I think I will buy a new heatsink my local store ha some globalwin are they any good? If yes wich model?

/Watercooler? comments (good, bad, hard, to install, home made)?
 

MagnusPAH

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I know for a fact that GORb can not handle peltiers. I bought 2 Athlon GOrb, the ones with a massive heatsink attach to the sides of the classic Orb. First of all, the circular area that will contact the peltier is not large enough. It leaves about .2in or so of the peltier open. Also, because of the small puny fan on the orb, whatever heat that is transfered from the peltier basically get trapped in the Orb's body. I had 2 orbs trying to handle 2 72W peltiers and within 5 mins, the Gorbs were hitting 130F. The peltiers ended up being about 1-2 F higher than ambient temp. So, I went out and got 2 Vos32 and that seemed to do the trick. Even then, the peltiers were able to lower my water reservoir temp by only 10-15F (from 110F to 95F) I am now thinking about building a massive water jacket that will handle both peltiers somehow.
 

SniPeZ

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Thank you Magnus. That's all i needed to hear. i'm tired of speculation and i really wanted to try a 55watt TEC with a modified gorb but your experience saves me a couple days worth of time (not to mention the money i would've burned). Anyhow, thank you to everyone for their comments/opinion/experiences/2 cents.
 

MagnusPAH

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The FOP32 will probably not. If it does, it will barely which would mean minimal cooling. This is with the 55W I am thinking. With by Global win Vos32 with dual fans and twice the heatsink, I can barely handle a 72W peltier so I assume a FOP32 will have a hard time with a 55W peltier.
 

LP

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Ok, so air is no good then next comes water.
Watercoolers is it posible to make a home made watercooler that will do the job good?
If so, How ?
 

Mikewarrior2

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why are you looking at spending the money for a watercooler? If you want to use a peltier, get an alpha PEP66 and strap a peltier to it..


Mike
 

MagnusPAH

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Ok, if you are running a P3 or celeron, all you need is a peltier 55W (from different people's experiences). Then all you need is to get a good air cooler. The P3125 is a powerful sucker that can do a good job of cooling the hot side of the peltier. For almost the same performance but almost half the price, go for a Vos32. I have 2 72W peltiers cooling my water reservoir right now. They are being cooled by 2 vos32. These seem to do a good job. So, I would recommend a 55W peltier from a good source. I would not get one from peltec. A lot of places don't sell high quality peltiers with dT of around 60-65C. High quality peltiers are those with dT of around 70-75C. So far, I know of only 2 places that have these high quality peltiers: swiftnets.com (not sure if Gabe sells them by themselves though) and Leufkens. If you use peltiers, don't bother with the peltiers from other vendors. They are mostly crap. I have bought 72W peltiers from various different places and so far they have been disappointments. 55W peltiers go for around $18. Then a vos32 from millisec.com is around $29. Get some closed cell foams to insulate the cold side of the peltier from the air (no condensation=no water puddle) which costs another $1 or so. For around $50 or little more, you can have a subzero degree cpu that you can overclock like heck.
This is a decent price. As long as you are clear in what you would like to do, it will not cost too much money and will give you a nicely overclocked system. However, if you have more money and don't want to expose yourself to the dangers of peltiers, then I would recommend water cooling. Water cooling is not that expensive (well not as much as the horrific prices most if not all vendors are charging anyways) to produce. You will need the following:
1. Water jacket. From my experiences with many water jackets, I have found that the one from 2coolcomputer does a decent job. They are sold for $25. Though they are not the top of the line, their pricing is good enough for the job you want to do. There are other waterjackets out there that are made of different material, construction and size. However, after testing a few out myself, the differences between all the waterjackets are minimal (within a few degrees C). The top of the line is probably becooling's copper waterjacket. However, this is expensive (over $35) but gives only about 2-4C better cooling than the cheapest 2coolcomputer's jacket.
2. Water radiator. You need a decent size one. I have 2 12inx5.5inx1in radiator. Again don't bother buying these from the vendors whose presence we have come across in this forum. Instead, head over to northern auto parts at naparts.com. Look in their catalog for transmission cooler. They sell these for $25. These are being sold be computer cooling vendors for around $35 or more. Yes, exactly the same one just at least $10 more. Greed at its best eh?
3. Water pump. Now you can get a decent water pump for around $20 at walmart or home depot. I think trinity sells a good pump but I don't know whether the price of the pump is still competitive or trinity has increased the price due to demand.
4. panaflo fans. You will need about 2 120mm panaflo fans. These are quiet to the point of inaudible while giving a decent air flow (66cfm). You can buy these at jameco.com. Again go to their catalog and look for page 65 of the catalog. It is under panaflo. Jameco used to sell these for $8.95 but since they noticed so many of us overclockers buying these fans, greed's bait got them and they increased the price to $10.50 or so (based on the latest catalog they sent me). I wish I have a few extra that I can sell to you guys for cheap $8.95 since I hate greedy pigs. However, $10.50 is still much better than some vendor's price of $15. Don't get suckered in, those fans are exactly the same price as Jameco's. I would not be amazed to find those vendors getting their supply from jameco themselves.
5. Tubings. Go to any hardware store or homedepot. These go for about $.20 per foot so again, don't buy from the vendors who sells them for $1.00 per foot. Major rip-off.
6. Water reservoir. Go to walmart and get a cooler for $8 or go to homedepot and get a electrical junction box. You can get the 4inx4in junction box that most vendors sell or go bigger and get a 7inx7in. The former costs around $5-7 and the later costs around $10-11.

Once you get all the parts, just plug them in. By then, if you need help, email me or pose your questions here. I am sure there are others more than willing to help.

So, all the parts should cost you around $100. That will be all that you will need. The connectors for the tubings will cost around $3. So, for $103, you should have a very good water cooler. That is the same parts that overclockerhideout is selling for $165 with a peltier. For an extra $25, to make it $125-130, you will have exactly the same system as overclockershideout with the exception that your fans will be larger, quieter, and stronger than the tiny 80mm fans.
However, the cost is still steep. So, my advice would be to go for a peltier with good aircooling for now. For $50, you probably can get the same performance.


 

LP

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Thanks for all of the tips. Hop I can help you in the future as well as you have helpt me.

I think air still rocks if you have short pockets anyway.
Im going to try the peltier whit the orb just to see how it does(if it fits).
Then I´m bying a alpha or a globalwin not sure yet.
I will post how it went later.

Once again thanks to all of you.
 

Mikewarrior2

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I dont' believe i didn't think of this sooner,

But how the hell are you gonna mount an orb onto a cpu with a peltier+cold plate between the two? I don't know of any way ot modify the twist-lock to do this....



Mike
 

MagnusPAH

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Remove the casing and the PCB has mounting holes where the screws used to be. Attach the cold plate on, the peltier, then the GO orb. USe zip ties and some imagination, you can get that sucker on. It is hard to describe it but I managed to get teh GO onto the Geforce card using this method. With the PCB it will be easier since it has 4 screw holes where the heatplate was attached to.
 
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