Good and Cheap - Eat well on $4/day

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texasfury

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You know those Sally Stuthers beg-fomercials where your small donation can feed. clothe and house a child for 50 cents a day ($16 a month)? Well how can I get in on it, just for the food part? If I send in $16, how can I get the months worth of food too?
 

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You know those Sally Stuthers beg-fomercials where your small donation can feed. clothe and house a child for 50 cents a day ($16 a month)? Well how can I get in on it, just for the food part? If I send in $16, how can I get the months worth of food too?

The above doesn't seem like an appropriate response for the HD forums, but in case it was an honest question:

Buy 2,000 pound lots of rice and beans from a distributor.

Food banks and disaster relief agencies don't go to a local supermarket and buy a 16 oz bag of rice, or a single-serving cut of meat. They buy by the ton.
 

marvdmartian

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Yup, buy rice and beans by the pallet full, in 25, 50 or 100 pound sacks. People in the USA really have no idea how good we have it, and new immigrants from many parts of the world step into our supermarkets for the first time, and are just flabbergasted by the choices.
 

BenJeremy

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Yup, buy rice and beans by the pallet full, in 25, 50 or 100 pound sacks. People in the USA really have no idea how good we have it, and new immigrants from many parts of the world step into our supermarkets for the first time, and are just flabbergasted by the choices.

Heh... it's said that when Gorbachev visited the US, and went into a grocery store, he could not believe it was a store where anybody could come to buy things, let alone afford such things. His handlers admitted that such a bounty was available in every town, to all people... At that moment, he knew the Soviet Union was doomed as a socialist state.
 

Mike64

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Heh... it's said that when Gorbachev visited the US, and went into a grocery store, he could not believe it was a store where anybody could come to buy things, let alone afford such things. His handlers admitted that such a bounty was available in every town, to all people who could afford it...
FTFY

At that moment, he knew the Soviet Union was doomed as a socialist state.
"Said" by whom?
 

RussianSensation

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Heh... it's said that when Gorbachev visited the US, and went into a grocery store, he could not believe it was a store where anybody could come to buy things, let alone afford such things. His handlers admitted that such a bounty was available in every town, to all people... At that moment, he knew the Soviet Union was doomed as a socialist state.

When I was young growing up in the Soviet Union, if you didn't line up to buy fresh milk from a milk truck at 6-7am, there would be no milk for the day by 9am in the entire city until the next day. Since tropical fruit would have to be imported from other countries and international logistics was more or less non-existent, bananas would be purchased completely green and kept under the bed for weeks at a time until they ripened. NES/SNES/Genesis games would be at least half of my mom's monthly salary - she made about $100/month as a doctor. If you had a pair of American Wrangler/Levi's jeans, there may only have been 50 people in a city of 500,000 with those. When Mars/Twix/Snickers/MilkyWay arrived, tasting those was a 'nationwide event' as everyone wanted to try them. When Ben' N Jerry's ice cream stores arrived, to have 3 portions of 3 scoops each would cost around 20% of a typical monthly salary, maybe more. If you wanted to buy a vehicle, you would go on a 5-10 year wait list at the factory, mostly through connections too and only when your turn came up, you could actually buy the car. That means that 5-10 year old Soviet cars cost exactly the same new as used due to scarcity which meant if you needed a vehicle for work, you could never buy one at will which resulted in exorbitantly high used car prices, even though the vehicles were rubbish and unreliable. In the summer time, the city would perform water pipe repairs which meant no hot water for 1 month straight and no you could not acquire an electric water heater.....

BUT, having this experience at a young age makes me appreciate all the opportunities I have been given in the U.S., Canada, U.A.E. and other countries. However, it makes me very sad for all the people such as my grand parents who were born in 1921/1923 and survived fighting in WW2 having lived and died to never see a better life because the system in which they grew up was so broken. If the current generation of Russian people were put back in time to WW2 era, I don't think they would have been able to help win WW2 because back then the Soviets were pure survivors.

That's why it's often hard to relate to people in the US/Canada who are 'stressed out' in life but when you look at their day-to-day "problems"... :sneaky:

Of course even now there are millions of people without fresh water and proper sanitation facilities as well as a stable food supply. Even if we try to imitate living on $4 a day in a developed country, it's not going to ever come close to imitating a truly difficult life since all the other amenities such as a modern refrigerator, a large screen TV, Internet, electricity, hot running water, heating and AC during winter/summer, your transportation (vehicle, subway/metro) are still present.

Yup, buy rice and beans by the pallet full, in 25, 50 or 100 pound sacks. People in the USA really have no idea how good we have it, and new immigrants from many parts of the world step into our supermarkets for the first time, and are just flabbergasted by the choices.

Which makes a lot of immigrants even more shocked to see that Americans/Canadians who earn good/great wages have such a high propensity to eat processed frozen foods full of sodium and unhealthy fast food. Is it mostly because they are often too busy to prepare their own healthy meals or just don't know how to? Maybe a lot of it also has to do with lack of knowledge about how damaging many of the processed foods are?
 
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BenJeremy

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FTFY

"Said" by whom?

My bad, it was Yeltsin, after a trip to Clear Lake, Texas in 1989.

“When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people,” Yeltsin wrote. “That such a potentially super-rich country as ours has been brought to a state of such poverty! It is terrible to think of it.”

As for your "FTFY" - If somebody can't afford goods at a supermarket, they have landed in a pretty bad spot in life, but there are unfortunate people in every nation, under every sort of economic system; in the 90s, there was never a reason for anybody in Canada to be homeless... yet a simple visit to most of Canada's big cities showed there were indeed many homeless people. You really might as well go around making pithy corrections to everything... like qualifying a statement like "we can all see"... to "everybody but blind people can see" - it's either disingenuous, or misguided - either way, a useless point to make.

Read RussianSensation's post for some perspective of someone who has seen life in the Soviet Union.
 

Mike64

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Heh... it's said that when [Boris Yeltsin, in 1989] visited the US, and went into a grocery store, he could not believe it was a store where anybody could come to buy things, let alone afford such things.
Meanwhile, in 1992, in a parallel universe not very far away, President George W. Bush, during a similar visit, could hardly believe that such a thing as an optical UPC scanner (then almost 20 year-old technology) existed because he'd simply never (had to) set foot in an ordinary, middle-class-level retail store before in his life... It is said that despite this experience, he and his handlers still failed to understand why anyone could possibly think there was anything wrong with American-style, so-called "free market" capitalism...
 
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BenJeremy

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Meanwhile, in 1992, in a parallel universe not very far away, President George W. Bush, during a similar visit, could hardly believe that such a thing as an optical UPC scanner (then almost 20 year-old technology) existed because he'd simply never (had to) set foot in a grocery store before in his life... It is said that despite this experience, he still failed to understand why anyone could possibly think there was anything wrong with American-style, so-called "free market" capitalism...

Would that include you, who posted the comment in the first place?

What does Bush (I) have anything to do with anything in this thread? 1%ers aren't exactly representative of most Americans, in any way.

Yeltsin, on the other hand, had a pretty good idea of what his people had to go through on a daily basis, and that supermarket was even beyond what he and other privileged members of the politburo did not have access to back home.

My comments were just adding to the "first world problem" theme bubbling up here. Americans tend to take a lot for granted, and I think it adds to the perspective. I'm not quite sure what I posted that so offended you, or why you feel the need to press an argument.
 

Kaido

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When I was young growing up in the Soviet Union, if you didn't line up to buy fresh milk from a milk truck at 6-7am, there would be no milk for the day by 9am in the entire city until the next day. Since tropical fruit would have to be imported from other countries and international logistics was more or less non-existent, bananas would be purchased completely green and kept under the bed for weeks at a time until they ripened.

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That's why it's often hard to relate to people in the US/Canada who are 'stressed out' in life but when you look at their day-to-day "problems"... :sneaky:

Of course even now there are millions of people without fresh water and proper sanitation facilities as well as a stable food supply. Even if we try to imitate living on $4 a day in a developed country, it's not going to ever come close to imitating a truly difficult life since all the other amenities such as a modern refrigerator, a large screen TV, Internet, electricity, hot running water, heating and AC during winter/summer, your transportation (vehicle, subway/metro) are still present.

Which makes a lot of immigrants even more shocked to see that Americans/Canadians who earn good/great wages have such a high propensity to eat processed frozen foods full of sodium and unhealthy fast food. Is it mostly because they are often too busy to prepare their own healthy meals or just don't know how to? Maybe a lot of it also has to do with lack of knowledge about how damaging many of the processed foods are?

Food security is something I struggle with as a concept because it is such a vast problem. I got into cooking & baking at home partly because I love sugar & partly due to food allergies and ultimately ended up with a solid education in food history. Watching documentaries on food taught me a lot about how good we have it in the U.S., but also about the traps that are set for us in a world of processed food. It blows my mind how bad other countries have it, but at the same time, it's an apples to oranges comparison (no pun intended). If someone from a country with less access to food actually grew up in America, they'd understand what a two-edge sword high food availability really is. It's not like anyone sits you down & forces you to watch videos about how other people life, without the choices available to us now, and thus downloads that perspective into your brain. To a lot of people, having to make food at home instead of getting pizza out once a week is considered poor. It's all relative, which is what makes the discussion difficult, and also crazy.

I have plenty of friends on food stamps, SNAP, and WIC, and I hate to say it, but I doubt any of them would follow the cooking guide posted above. Maybe there are some people out there who would use it, and more power to them, but being in a difficult situation doesn't automatically force you to make the best choices for yourself or make you change your habits, and I think it's important to understand the multiple reasons for why that is. I know that immigrants can be shocked to see how different the lifestyle is, but the bottom line is that it is the way it is for a reason. This is a really good introductory read into the flipside of poverty & the stigma that goes along with it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...n-i-drove-my-mercedes-to-pick-up-food-stamps/

For me personally, it really took getting diagnosed with food allergies for me to care remotely about food. Prior to that, I ate what I wanted, when I wanted, and pretty much bought whatever I could afford. I didn't have a reason to learn how to cook; cooking for me meant mixing up a boxed brownie mix. Having allergies forced me to re-evaluate my relationship with food, and thus took the cover off the big secret about food - how good we have it here in the states, and how deeply our food is manipulated in a variety of ways. But really, what it first boils down to is that we eat like kings. My standard example is that I can buy blueberries in the dead of winter...sure, they're six bucks instead of three dollars like they are in the summertime, but I can still afford them on a typical budget if I really want them. And because of this abundance, it's really easy to take it all for granted. I was way more picky & definitely not a foodie pre-allergy diagnoses!

I think what a lot of it boils down to is personal initiative. You have to want to take control of your weight & your health in order to make any kind of lasting change in your life. It's far too easy to coast in a food coma day to day in America; the food is all programmed to be cheap & addictive. I think that food has an enormous influence on stress & energy levels as well; more ADHD could probably be managed even more successfully through dietary changes than pills. We consume ridiculous amounts of sugar & chemicals, and nobody really cares outside of the few who are athletic, diabetic, or otherwise want or have to care because really, why bother if you don't have to? If you can afford to eat out all the time or get packaged food for every meal & it doesn't make you sick or affect your health, where's the incentive to change?

I've gone through a lot of phases regarding food in my life, even looking at my own post history over the last 10 years, it's amazing how many times I've changed my opinion on food. In college, I swore off eating out for awhile. Then I tried to avoid anything with refined sugar in it. Tried "eating clean", as well as a variety of diets for fun (vegan, fruitarian, paleo, etc.). Dealt with food allergies. The bottom line is that food is not just required, but needed...it's cultural, it's social, it's joy & happiness in variety, it's just so many things. I mean really, if we wanted to solve world hunger, we could just manufacture Soylent meal replacement powder & pre-bottled mixes and air drop them all over the world. That would ultimately solve the problem of feeding the hungry, right? Sort of...but screwed-up food means a lot of other things in your culture are messed up as well, so it's kind of a flag for even things like political issues. One of the things that blew my mind learning about food was that we don't have a food shortage issue in terms of world hunger, simply a distribution problem...I'd grown up my whole life thinking there wasn't enough, when really there is a surplus, but we're just dummies in figuring out how not to be jerks to each other.

Anyway, this topic can spaghetti on forever (again no pun intended haha). There's just so many things that branch into the discussion of food. I have friends who are affluent enough & busy enough at work to literally eat out at every single meal (and do!), but then wonder why they struggle with diabetes & high blood pressure. I also have friends who are immigrants here who are shocked at the food situation, but yet also slide into this style of living because they're human too...it's not just a knock against Americans, but basic human psychology. Everyone has a different situation, and with each situation comes different pitfalls. In the U.S., we struggle with an overwhelming obesity rate. Nearly all of our medical energies go into treatment rather than prevention. Many of us are addicted to food & not only don't care, but will fight against changes that will make us healthier. Again...many topics. It's just crazy how centralized food is. I used to think it was a small thing, but I think the topic of food is gigantic & most of us don't realize how much of a core it is in our lives...it affects our mood, our ability to be productive, our energy level, our weight, all sorts of things. Going to stop rambling now; suffice it to say, food is a huge & complex issue.
 

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I worked with a couple guys that had the same plan for years, get their paycheck and pay the bills, rent, utilities, and buy 40 lb bags of rice and beans, then party til broke and live on rice and beans til the next months paycheck. When you have to, you adapt.

If anybody is hungry in the USA they either are unable to manage life's basics (mental issues etc), or they are corrupt spending money for things they want instead of feeding kids.
 

midwestfisherman

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When I was young growing up in the Soviet Union, if you didn't line up to buy fresh milk from a milk truck at 6-7am, there would be no milk for the day by 9am in the entire city until the next day. Since tropical fruit would have to be imported from other countries and international logistics was more or less non-existent, bananas would be purchased completely green and kept under the bed for weeks at a time until they ripened. NES/SNES/Genesis games would be at least half of my mom's monthly salary - she made about $100/month as a doctor. If you had a pair of American Wrangler/Levi's jeans, there may only have been 50 people in a city of 500,000 with those. When Mars/Twix/Snickers/MilkyWay arrived, tasting those was a 'nationwide event' as everyone wanted to try them. When Ben' N Jerry's ice cream stores arrived, to have 3 portions of 3 scoops each would cost around 20% of a typical monthly salary, maybe more. If you wanted to buy a vehicle, you would go on a 5-10 year wait list at the factory, mostly through connections too and only when your turn came up, you could actually buy the car. That means that 5-10 year old Soviet cars cost exactly the same new as used due to scarcity which meant if you needed a vehicle for work, you could never buy one at will which resulted in exorbitantly high used car prices, even though the vehicles were rubbish and unreliable. In the summer time, the city would perform water pipe repairs which meant no hot water for 1 month straight and no you could not acquire an electric water heater.....

BUT, having this experience at a young age makes me appreciate all the opportunities I have been given in the U.S., Canada, U.A.E. and other countries. However, it makes me very sad for all the people such as my grand parents who were born in 1921/1923 and survived fighting in WW2 having lived and died to never see a better life because the system in which they grew up was so broken. If the current generation of Russian people were put back in time to WW2 era, I don't think they would have been able to help win WW2 because back then the Soviets were pure survivors.

That's why it's often hard to relate to people in the US/Canada who are 'stressed out' in life but when you look at their day-to-day "problems"... :sneaky:

Of course even now there are millions of people without fresh water and proper sanitation facilities as well as a stable food supply. Even if we try to imitate living on $4 a day in a developed country, it's not going to ever come close to imitating a truly difficult life since all the other amenities such as a modern refrigerator, a large screen TV, Internet, electricity, hot running water, heating and AC during winter/summer, your transportation (vehicle, subway/metro) are still present.



Which makes a lot of immigrants even more shocked to see that Americans/Canadians who earn good/great wages have such a high propensity to eat processed frozen foods full of sodium and unhealthy fast food. Is it mostly because they are often too busy to prepare their own healthy meals or just don't know how to? Maybe a lot of it also has to do with lack of knowledge about how damaging many of the processed foods are?

Very interesting insight. Thanks for posting it.
 

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I worked with a couple guys that had the same plan for years, get their paycheck and pay the bills, rent, utilities, and buy 40 lb bags of rice and beans, then party til broke and live on rice and beans til the next months paycheck. When you have to, you adapt.

Same, only it was Ramen & college
 

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I worked with a couple guys that had the same plan for years, get their paycheck and pay the bills, rent, utilities, and buy 40 lb bags of rice and beans, then party til broke and live on rice and beans til the next months paycheck. When you have to, you adapt.

If anybody is hungry in the USA they either are unable to manage life's basics (mental issues etc), or they are corrupt spending money for things they want instead of feeding kids.

Or, you know, they're paid a wage too small to feed themselves and their families.

Over here in Scotland, the minimum wage is around £6,000-£8,000 last I checked. I averaged the costs of 3 meals a day over a week; was around £10-£15 per day, taking into account human error (burning the food, mainly).

15 * 7 = 105, * 4 = 420, * 12 = £5,040
10 * 7 = £70, * 4 = 280, * 12 = £3,360

That's just the cost of making meals that you actually want to eat, rather than be forced to choke down whilst crying from disgust.

Add in clothes, house maintenance, lighting, taxes, insurance, health care (if not in Scotland), vehicle repairs, children (big money sink there), school supplies...

You're gonna be running short pretty quickly.

Methinks you're underestimating the qualities of those who are lacking opulence.
 

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Rice and beans (i.e. practically any starch is dirt cheap...potatoes, beans, peas, lentils, corn, wheat, etc. etc.) will take you very very far. Add in some veggies to that occasion and you have a diet that can do no harm. This for sure can be done in 4/Day.

If you get lucky enough to add in other stuff like fruits and nuts (i.e. any first world country....although most 3rd world/developing countries still have easy access to fruits), why then you are on cloud 9, and it comes at a FRACTION of the cost. Not sure if 4/Day can be hit, but its still ridiculously cheap.

Processed food isn't that cheap when you do the math, and neither are animal products.
 

mikeford

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Some countries reward success, some reward failure, not a mystery which works better no matter what happy feels the bad system gives you.
 

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Rice and beans (i.e. practically any starch is dirt cheap...potatoes, beans, peas, lentils, corn, wheat, etc. etc.) will take you very very far. Add in some veggies to that occasion and you have a diet that can do no harm. This for sure can be done in 4/Day.

If you get lucky enough to add in other stuff like fruits and nuts (i.e. any first world country....although most 3rd world/developing countries still have easy access to fruits), why then you are on cloud 9, and it comes at a FRACTION of the cost. Not sure if 4/Day can be hit, but its still ridiculously cheap.

Processed food isn't that cheap when you do the math, and neither are animal products.

I live on unprocessed or minimally processed starches with a few veggies and fruits thrown in for a long time now and my health has improved greatly. My food bill is also cheap. The starches are always low cost and I eat fruits and veggies that are in season so the cost is reasonable. I don't eat anything out of a package unless it only has 1 or 2 ingredients on the label. The extent of my sugar intake is a tsp on my oatmeal and a little bbq sauce on my potatoes sometimes. I avoid isolated food components like oils (even olive oil) and sugars. Isolated food components are unhealthy. For instance, corn is healthy but corn oil or high fructose corn syrup is not. Corn has all the fiber, macro nutrients, micro nutrients, etc all together as nature intended but if you extract corn oil, you throw away all the good stuff and are left with pure fat.
Eating this way I lost weight and now weigh what I did in college. My BP and cholesterol and blood sugar are like a healthy teenager and I am on no medications.
 

sm625

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Heh... it's said that when Gorbachev visited the US, and went into a grocery store, he could not believe it was a store where anybody could come to buy things, let alone afford such things. His handlers admitted that such a bounty was available in every town, to all people... At that moment, he knew the Soviet Union was doomed as a socialist state.

We may think this is universally a good thing, but the simple fact is that the vast majority of grocery store products are just barely a step above poison. There is a reason half the country is pre-diabetic. Half the products on the grocery store shelves are highly processed fast carbs. Coincidence? Nah! And I'm being generous with the "half" too, in all likelihood its more like 90% of what's on store shelves is poison. Literal poison. We just dont see it because we are fools fooled by the pretty packaging.
 

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We may think this is universally a good thing, but the simple fact is that the vast majority of grocery store products are just barely a step above poison. There is a reason half the country is pre-diabetic. Half the products on the grocery store shelves are highly processed fast carbs. Coincidence? Nah! And I'm being generous with the "half" too, in all likelihood its more like 90% of what's on store shelves is poison. Literal poison. We just dont see it because we are fools fooled by the pretty packaging.

If only they had a section where raw foodstuffs could be bought....
 

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ModerateRepZero, thanks for the link to Leanne's ebook. She's to be commended for her efforts in actually doing something rather than complaining that somebody else isn't doing anything.

Meanwhile, in 1992, in a parallel universe not very far away, President George W. Bush, during a similar visit, could hardly believe that such a thing as an optical UPC scanner (then almost 20 year-old technology) existed because he'd simply never (had to) set foot in an ordinary, middle-class-level retail store before in his life...

Like many theoretical parallel universes, that universe doesn't actually exist.
 
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