Originally posted by: Fausto1
/starts "NFS4 shows up in the thread to defend the honor of all SUV's" countdown
Originally posted by: Fausto1
/starts "NFS4 shows up in the thread to defend the honor of all SUV's" countdown
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Personally, I'd love to have one but I can't personally justify the amount of gas they consume. That and commuting by bike most days are my tiny "reduce US dependency on oil as lifeblood" contributions.
I don't, however, think that SUV owners are demographically radically different from the rest of us. This is kinda like baseball statistics, you can fiddle around with them to mean almost anything in any given situation. I'm sure someone else could write a similar book about Volvo drivers and how they are more likely to have a mess of kids, have lower IQ's, tend to be conservative, and be statistically terrible drivers.
Originally posted by: CPA
Oh brother, here we go again with Yet Another Thread Bashing People's Choice of Vehicle.
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Personally, I'd love to have one but I can't personally justify the amount of gas they consume. That and commuting by bike most days are my tiny "reduce US dependency on oil as lifeblood" contributions.
I don't, however, think that SUV owners are demographically radically different from the rest of us. This is kinda like baseball statistics, you can fiddle around with them to mean almost anything in any given situation. I'm sure someone else could write a similar book about Volvo drivers and how they are more likely to have a mess of kids, have lower IQ's, tend to be conservative, and be statistically terrible drivers.
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Personally, I'd love to have one but I can't personally justify the amount of gas they consume. That and commuting by bike most days are my tiny "reduce US dependency on oil as lifeblood" contributions.
I don't, however, think that SUV owners are demographically radically different from the rest of us. This is kinda like baseball statistics, you can fiddle around with them to mean almost anything in any given situation. I'm sure someone else could write a similar book about Volvo drivers and how they are more likely to have a mess of kids, have lower IQ's, tend to be conservative, and be statistically terrible drivers.
As nice as some of them are, impracticality kills the concept. You can do 99% of the same with a minivan and spend less $ doing it.
Example: For the price of a 2002 Acura MDX (MSRP) you can get 2 2002 Chrysler Voyagers.
That about sums it up. You get less for your money.
-PAB
the ironic thing is that the MDX is a minivan with 4 regular doors, much like the original odysseyOriginally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Personally, I'd love to have one but I can't personally justify the amount of gas they consume. That and commuting by bike most days are my tiny "reduce US dependency on oil as lifeblood" contributions.
I don't, however, think that SUV owners are demographically radically different from the rest of us. This is kinda like baseball statistics, you can fiddle around with them to mean almost anything in any given situation. I'm sure someone else could write a similar book about Volvo drivers and how they are more likely to have a mess of kids, have lower IQ's, tend to be conservative, and be statistically terrible drivers.
As nice as some of them are, impracticality kills the concept. You can do 99% of the same with a minivan and spend less $ doing it.
Example: For the price of a 2002 Acura MDX (MSRP) you can get 2 2002 Chrysler Voyagers.
That about sums it up. You get less for your money.
-PAB
That's where the demographics really comes into play. Most guys wouldn't be caught dead driving a minivan, so they spend a little more (MDX wasn't a great example since it's a luxury line) to get an Explorer or similar.
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Personally, I'd love to have one but I can't personally justify the amount of gas they consume. That and commuting by bike most days are my tiny "reduce US dependency on oil as lifeblood" contributions.
I don't, however, think that SUV owners are demographically radically different from the rest of us. This is kinda like baseball statistics, you can fiddle around with them to mean almost anything in any given situation. I'm sure someone else could write a similar book about Volvo drivers and how they are more likely to have a mess of kids, have lower IQ's, tend to be conservative, and be statistically terrible drivers.
As nice as some of them are, impracticality kills the concept. You can do 99% of the same with a minivan and spend less $ doing it.
Example: For the price of a 2002 Acura MDX (MSRP) you can get 2 2002 Chrysler Voyagers.
That about sums it up. You get less for your money.
-PAB
That's where the demographics really comes into play. Most guys wouldn't be caught dead driving a minivan, so they spend a little more (MDX wasn't a great example since it's a luxury line) to get an Explorer or similar.
I'm not bashing anything. I don't drive one, but I don't really care if anyone else does. Granted, I would love it if everyone would drive more fuel-efficient vehicles since our dependence on oil plays a role in our international politics, but I think it's pretty clear that people won't make that kind of change unless they absolutely have to. It will take gas prices over $3-4.00 per gallon to affect that kind of change. Oh well. <shrug>Oh brother, here we go again with Yet Another Thread Bashing People's Choice of Vehicle.
That's awesome! I don't think I've driven in to work more than 5-6 times since April of this year when I decided to commute full time. I have a good laugh every morning as I ride past all the gridlocked traffic near Emory/CDC. My commute by car in light traffic is only about 15 min, but is bumped to 45+ during rush hour (particularly when Emory and other schools are in session). My commute by bike is right around 30 min since I can cut through some neighborhoods and parks that are either inaccesible or inconvenient for cars to use. Kinda sucks when it rains, but it's much less aggravating than driving if nothing else.I have started to bicycle into work now. I take our son to daycare in the SUV and then drive back home (3 mi round trip) and then hop on the bike and go into work. (11 miles round trip)
Your profile says you live in Buffalo and you can't see any reasons to own an SUV?Originally posted by: MaDHaVoK
This is a good book with a lot of facts. Talks a lot about why SUVs are dangerous to cars and how the automobile industry is doing basically nothing about it. Also talks about how SUV owners are jerks, (insecure, less likely to volunteer, less likely to go to family events, ect) and no he didn't make that up, it is what Ford's, chevy's, ect own market research says abotu SUV drivers.
Come on, you guys can't have it both ways. You say that SUV's are dangerous to cars....doesn't that imply that a nice big SUV is safer? So which is it?Originally posted by: Zedtom
Personally, I don't care what kind of vehicle a person decides to drive. My concern is the illusion that a four wheel drive vehicle with high ground clearance provides a safer driving experience. The problem seems to be driver error when there is a panic stop or loss of control. These vehicles have a high center of gravity and the wider tires can cause a driver to oversteer in an emergency situation. Rollover accidents are very common in SUV statistics.
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: CPA
Oh brother, here we go again with Yet Another Thread Bashing People's Choice of Vehicle.
Its not so much bashing as it is a debate of the practicality of said choice.
-PAB
Originally posted by: PG
Come on, you guys can't have it both ways. You say that SUV's are dangerous to cars....doesn't that imply that a nice big SUV is safer? So which is it?Originally posted by: Zedtom
Personally, I don't care what kind of vehicle a person decides to drive. My concern is the illusion that a four wheel drive vehicle with high ground clearance provides a safer driving experience. The problem seems to be driver error when there is a panic stop or loss of control. These vehicles have a high center of gravity and the wider tires can cause a driver to oversteer in an emergency situation. Rollover accidents are very common in SUV statistics.
You want an SUV fine.
1. Lets get a universal bumper height for cars and SUV
This way you don?t drive right over my car and don?t strike my car at head height on the sides.
2. Lets start meeting emission standards.
Originally posted by: MaDHaVoK
Yes I am in buffalo... First off it is flat here... secondly in 7 feet of snow it doesn't matter if you have 4-wheel drive, you?re not going anywhere.
Seriously though... 4 wheel drive doesn't do anything for stopping... so we have all these people who get up to speed in bad conditions and they end up sliding through lights and rear ending people because they can't stop.
Yes this is a free country... but SUVs endanger my life in a car more than a minivan or another car. Do you have a right to threaten me like that? I am not even going into SUV drivers and their skills. But as usual SUV drivers are self centered and don't care about my rights to live !
You want an SUV fine.
1. Lets get a universal bumper height for cars and SUV
This way you don?t drive right over my car and don?t strike my car at head height on the sides.
2. Lets start meeting emission standards.