Good book: High and Mighty: SUVs--The World's Most Dangerous Vehicles and How They Got That Way

[SithSolo1]

I'll have you know atleast 40 people in Athens use a Viper, Porsche(I'm not talking boxers either), or Ferrari for their "drive to work" car.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Once upon a time, back in 95', I bought a full size van, & being the frugal devel that I am, I bought a set of factory alloys off a guy & put the new rims on myself with the lug nuts he gave me. they were metric & my lugs were english. made it 1/2 the way howm, when all the wheels flew off, van spun around, & the rear axle struck a curb. I flipped that brand new van end over end 2X before coming to rest on the right side up.

That wouldn't have happened with a vehicle with a lower center of gravity.

I still own a full size van, but I have a health respect for the crappy handling & inherent instability of a vehicle with such a high center of gravity. If I could get by with a smaller vehicle for my needs, I'd buy one.

(My friends began calling a major fvck-up "Pulling a Pliablemoose" shortly after that spectacular wreck.)

 

[SithSolo1]

So wait, if the van had been lower to the ground the wheels wouldn't have fallen off? wtf?

 

[Pliablemoose]

If I'd been driving something other than an unloaded 3/4 ton vehicle, it prob wouldn't have flipped over like a frigging tin can, end over end...

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Ornery
Who among you tards can answer these questions?

• What is the "intended use" of a Corvette Sport Coupe?
• What is the "intended use" of a Dodge Viper?
• What is the "intended use" of a Ferrari 360?
• What is the "intended use" of that cute spoiler on the back of your ricemobile?
• What is the "intended use" of the ground effects of your ricemobile?
• What is the "intended use" of the 17" rims of your ricemobile?

I'm almost positive that the majority of the drivers don't use them for anything except daily commutes, or anything else that a normal car could not do. That's why the whole situation disgusts me.

Do those endanger other people? And since when do people use Ferrari 360s and Vipers as daily drivers?? Are you insane?

When's the last time you DIDN'T see a ricer weaving in and out of traffic putting everyone on the road in harm's way? The book said SUV drivers are inconsiderate morons who don't know how to drive. All the tools who put that crap on their car think they're the $hit and drive their car like it's the $hit. It sure as hell endangers other people

 

[CantedValve]

That wouldn't have happened with a vehicle with a lower center of gravity.

I... but...

SO the wheels coming off cause you cross-threaded the lugs and the fact that you hit a CURB had NOTHING to do with it? It alwyas chaps my ass when a moron screws up their car and then blames it on the car.

I think operator error was probably/should have been listed on the police report as the cause of the accident. The error was letting you drive. I feel sorry for that van.

 

[CantedValve]

Do those endanger other people? And since when do people use Ferrari 360s and Vipers as daily drivers?? Are you insane?

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Besides the street racing rice-mobiles, I would say very rarely. I would also have to say the last time I saw an SUV harm someone was when my mom's 93 Grand Cherokee bit me.

Would it suprise you to know that there is a guy in my town who works in a junkyard and drives his 96 Viper to work every day?

If you don't drive it, what is the point of having it?

 

[CantedValve]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
If I'd been driving something other than an unloaded 3/4 ton vehicle, it prob wouldn't have flipped over like a frigging tin can, end over end...

I had a friend in high school (notice the past tense). He drove a small Ford (I think it was a flavor of Export, but I dont remember). He managed to flip it, and he didnt lose any wheels or hit any curbs.

I still vote for driver error.

 

[SuperTool]

I also think SUV's should be subject to gas guzzler tax that large and sports cars are subject to. I don't think it's fair that a M3 owner has to pay gas guzzler tax, while an Excursion owner doesn't. Also, I think the government should also mandate bumper height. If your car's bumper is too high, extra tax should be added. Taxation is a good way to promote safety while not taking away freedom from those who really want something and are willing to pay the tax for it.

 

[PlatinumGold]

When's the last time you DIDN'T see a ricer weaving in and out of traffic putting everyone on the road in harm's way? The book said SUV drivers are inconsiderate morons who don't know how to drive. All the tools who put that crap on their car think they're the $hit and drive their car like it's the $hit. It sure as hell endangers other people

In my experience most ricers and sports car drivers are pansy asses and couldn't drive aggressively if their lives depended on it.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: Ultima
Oh.. has anyone seen that mercedes ad that says something like "with our suv, you'll be wondering with amazement as the cars bow down to you" or some crap like that. Coincides perfectly with the mentality of the typical soccermom SUV driver, I bet.

Or the new Hummer H2 commercial where there is a woman driver in it and it says "Intimidate Men". I hate that mentality!

BTW: My MDX has matching height bumpers and is a ULEV vehicle. So not all SUVs are smog belching, gas guzzling, monster trucks.

 

[BooneRebel]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
If I'd been driving something other than an unloaded 3/4 ton vehicle, it prob wouldn't have flipped over like a frigging tin can, end over end...

Right, it was the -vehicle's- fault.

How about, if you knew the difference between standard and metric then it wouldn't have flipped?

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: BooneRebel

I'm going to hold out for the sequel: Dump Trucks - REALLY The World's Most Dangerous Vehicles. I was driving to work this morning and realized that the bumper of my SUV could easily slide under the back of a dump truck. Factor in the high center of gravity (especially when they're carrying a load) and the poor braking and handling; it's a wonder that these deathtraps are permitted on the roads at all.

OK, let's put a yuppie soccer-mom, or an jerkoff driver who's tying to get to work behind the wheel of that dump truck, and your argument is valid. The point is, any idiot can drive one of these things, without properly knowing the ins and outs of controlling it. I could care less about who buys what, but if there's a potentially dangerous vehicle that anyone has access to on public roads, you're damn right I'm gonna show some concern.

 

[BooneRebel]

OK, let's put a yuppie soccer-mom, or an jerkoff driver who's tying to get to work behind the wheel of that dump truck, and your argument is valid. The point is, any idiot can drive one of these things, without properly knowing the ins and outs of controlling it. I could care less about who buys what, but if there's a potentially dangerous vehicle that anyone has access to on public roads, you're damn right I'm gonna show some concern.

They are -all- potentially dangerous vehicles. No need to single out SUVs. You can just as easily kill someone with a Mini. Unless I'm mistaken, every state in the US requires drivers to pass both a written and driving test to prove their ability to drive safely before being issued a license. Granted, there are irresponsible drivers all over the country, but they aren't limited to driving SUVs. By the same token, there are -responsible- drivers all over as well, and they drive everything from Minis to dumptrucks, including your dreaded SUV. Believe me, I've encountered idiots driving every vehicle imaginable. If you think driving a car attracts idiots, try commuting on a motorcycle.

 

[NFS4]

Actually it really is a good comparison. As I see it, people choose to buy SUV's because they can/want to, and they have an effect on other ppl, only negative. Smoking pot may be illegal (does that make it immoral? no) but when it comes down to it, it is my money, it is my lungs, AND it has little no no effect on other people.

Give me a break. SUV's are not "negative" as you say. If you want to talk about SUVs, you can't leave out pickups so stop singling out JUST SUVs. Again, your pot comparison is downright invalid. I'll say it again, buying a car/truck is NOT illegal. Buying/smoking pot is!!

 

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[Ultima]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Who among you tards can answer these questions?

• What is the "intended use" of a Corvette Sport Coupe?
• What is the "intended use" of a Dodge Viper?
• What is the "intended use" of a Ferrari 360?
• What is the "intended use" of that cute spoiler on the back of your ricemobile?
• What is the "intended use" of the ground effects of your ricemobile?
• What is the "intended use" of the 17" rims of your ricemobile?

I'm almost positive that the majority of the drivers don't use them for anything except daily commutes, or anything else that a normal car could not do. That's why the whole situation disgusts me.

Bullsh!t. I really doubt anyone with any of those cars is going to be driving them daily. Anyone who can afford those cars is going to have a second car as a daily driver. You don't see millions of these cars on the road, do you? Those cars don't endanger ME by obstructing vision, or killing me while protecting the dumbass driver in a wreck (like SUV's). SUV's are oversized land barges. Buying an SUV is an irresponsible choice, perhaps not to yourself, but to society. You can't convince me otherwise unless you actually need its abilities.
Sports cars are perhaps irresponsible choices to, but most people who get into wrecks in them DIE, and they usually don't take out others with them (mostly single vehicle crashes). When a soccer mom talking on her cell phone in a Ford Excursion gets into a skid and slams on the brakes and smashes into a Honda Accord, and rolls over onto a Dodge Neon killing everyone in both cars, while she lives, tell me how SUV's are responsible vehicle choices. The funny thing is that most SUV's have higher death rates (for THEIR occupants), than cars as well. So not only do they place everyone else at danger, they're actually not so safe as everyone seems to think they are!
The highway is intended to be a means to get from one place to another safely, it is not meant to be a god damn battlefield or contest of who is the biggest or the baddest. SUV's compromise that intention by placing other drivers at risk.

 

[Ultima]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Ornery
Who among you tards can answer these questions?

• What is the "intended use" of a Corvette Sport Coupe?
• What is the "intended use" of a Dodge Viper?
• What is the "intended use" of a Ferrari 360?
• What is the "intended use" of that cute spoiler on the back of your ricemobile?
• What is the "intended use" of the ground effects of your ricemobile?
• What is the "intended use" of the 17" rims of your ricemobile?

I'm almost positive that the majority of the drivers don't use them for anything except daily commutes, or anything else that a normal car could not do. That's why the whole situation disgusts me.

Do those endanger other people? And since when do people use Ferrari 360s and Vipers as daily drivers?? Are you insane?

When's the last time you DIDN'T see a ricer weaving in and out of traffic putting everyone on the road in harm's way? The book said SUV drivers are inconsiderate morons who don't know how to drive. All the tools who put that crap on their car think they're the $hit and drive their car like it's the $hit. It sure as hell endangers other people

Most ricers actually drive like sane people unless they have friends in their car. Then they try to show off. Anyways, at least they're alert to what they're doing unlike the dumb soccer mom talking on the cell phone going 80km/h on the highway holding everyone up or worse weaving from lane to lane without even realizing it (seen both, quite often. Mostly with minivan and SUV drivers, less often with sedan drivers).

 

[NFS4]

Most ricers actually drive like sane people unless they have friends in their car. Then they try to show off. Anyways, at least they're alert to what they're doing unlike the dumb soccer mom talking on the cell phone going 80km/h on the highway holding everyone up or worse weaving from lane to lane without even realizing it (seen both, quite often. Mostly with minivan and SUV drivers, less often with sedan drivers).

Everything you just said is non-factual and really has no basis. You're just making generalizations as was the person you responded to.

 

[flavio]

I don't get this bumper height crap. Why complain about it on SUV's and not the pickups they are based from?

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Ornery
Who among you tards can answer these questions?

• What is the "intended use" of a Corvette Sport Coupe?
• What is the "intended use" of a Dodge Viper?
• What is the "intended use" of a Ferrari 360?
• What is the "intended use" of that cute spoiler on the back of your ricemobile?
• What is the "intended use" of the ground effects of your ricemobile?
• What is the "intended use" of the 17" rims of your ricemobile?

I'm almost positive that the majority of the drivers don't use them for anything except daily commutes, or anything else that a normal car could not do. That's why the whole situation disgusts me.

Do those endanger other people? And since when do people use Ferrari 360s and Vipers as daily drivers?? Are you insane?

When's the last time you DIDN'T see a ricer weaving in and out of traffic putting everyone on the road in harm's way? The book said SUV drivers are inconsiderate morons who don't know how to drive. All the tools who put that crap on their car think they're the $hit and drive their car like it's the $hit. It sure as hell endangers other people

That reminds me of the time I was behing the Lavender colored Neon with a huge aircraft wing, clear back lights and fart cannon. The driver had a sun visor on backwards and upside down too. I reved my V8 LS1 as I was behind him to muffle the noise that was emitting from the fart generator and what happened next was the weirdest thing. He swearved all over the place, in and out of traffic trying to get away from me like my car was some sort of domestic monster. Those guys have a driving mentality 10 times worse than any SUV driver.

 

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Wouldn't a fully laden B-52 or a Nuclear Submarine be the "world's most dangerous vehicles"?

 

[Ornery]

Hah! More tards that can't answer a simple question. We have one moron after another whining that SUVs aren't purchased for what they're "intended for". Yet, if you buy a 250HP "sports car", and merely use it for a commuter car, that somehow makes sense. Is that what they were "intended for"?

Then you change the subject and whine about how dangerous they are to you in your eensie go-kart... tough sh|t! You chose MPG over safety and comfort. That's the down side of YOUR choice! Then you whine about how dangerous they are to their occupants. WTF do YOU care. That's THEIR choice!

I've yet to hear what you lamers suggest they buy instead. They're in the market for a full framed, RWD, V8 with room. WTF do you suggest they purchase instead?

 

[AdamK47]

I remember when 250 HP was a lot. Ahhh good times, goood times.

 

[Tanked]

Quote by Ornery
Hah! More tards that can't answer a simple question. We have one moron after another whining that SUVs aren't purchased for what they're "intended for". Yet, if you buy a 250HP "sports car", and merely use it for a commuter car, that somehow makes sense. Is that what they were "intended for"?

Read the quote below.

Quote by Ultima
Bullsh!t. I really doubt anyone with any of those cars is going to be driving them daily. Anyone who can afford those cars is going to have a second car as a daily driver. You don't see millions of these cars on the road, do you? Those cars don't endanger ME by obstructing vision, or killing me while protecting the dumbass driver in a wreck (like SUV's). SUV's are oversized land barges. Buying an SUV is an irresponsible choice, perhaps not to yourself, but to society. You can't convince me otherwise unless you actually need its abilities.

Pickup trucks are just as bad as SUVs (in regard of bumper hieght), but a lot of pickup owners actually use them for hauling stuff instead of commuting.

Quote by Ornery
# What is the "intended use" of that cute spoiler on the back of your ricemobile?
# What is the "intended use" of the ground effects of your ricemobile?
# What is the "intended use" of the 17" rims of your ricemobile?

Do any of these accessories waste fuel, pollute the air, or make the road more dangerous? No. That's why it's not a valid comparison.

I'm aware that some SUVs (like the MDX) are rated as ULEV, but most are not, and since it still gets worse mileage then a car, it still is a worse polluter over a given number of miles.