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sactoking

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I'm sending you the coordinates for Joe Biden's Electoral College confirmation! I only ask one thing in return, that your right wing media tell him the name of the man who sentenced him to death: Taserballs!
 

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Lifer
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Non violent drug offenses are getting 10-20 years. I want to see 10-20 years for each of these felons.

I'm torn, really. Like the confused-liberal I am.

On the one hand, if you don't crack down on this sort of thing when it begins, history shows where it ends up. On the other hand, employing super-harsh sentencing for all these guys on the basis that that's what black people and minor drug offenders get is just 'levelling down', when surely the aspiration should be to 'level up'?

Same with the argument that the Trumpists not being shot by the police is 'white privilege', when not being shot by cops if it isn't 100% unavoidable, ought to be a basic norm, not a privilege. They should just be shooting far fewer people all round, not adding a quota of dead white people in order to be non-racist.

Need to work out who were the real organisers behind it and who were just sad husks of people who America has done a number on, who were sucked into it. And give appropriate sentences to all.
 
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Linux23

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This is incoherent. No one "fired a slug into her corpse." There was one shot. She didn't die at the scene. Not sure what you are talking about.
Please, don't act stupid.

When she got capped, did the bullet push her back or was it a knee jerk reaction and she jumped backwards.

In any case, she gone. She gambled that her white privilege card would help her out in the scenario and she lost. End of story.

Bye Ashli. You just took one from a man who doesn't give a shit about you and all of your treasonous buddies.
 
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I'm torn, really. Like the confused-liberal I am.

On the one hand, if you don't crack down on this sort of thing when it begins, history shows where it ends up. On the other hand, employing super-harsh sentencing for all these guys on the basis that that's what black people and minor drug offenders get is just 'levelling down', when surely the aspiration should be to 'level up'?

Same with the argument that the Trumpists not being shot by the police is 'white privilege', when not being shot by cops if it isn't 100% unavoidable, ought to be a basic norm, not a privilege. They should just be shooting far fewer people all round, not adding a quota of dead white people in order to be non-racist.

Need to work out who were the real organisers behind it and who were just sad husks of people who America has done a number on, who were sucked into it. And give appropriate sentences to all.

The very fact that you're confused is the fucking problem.

These people committed FAR WORSE crimes than the black people. That's why people are talking about harsh punishments.

If you cannot understand the difference that's on you. It is fucking insane for you to be arguing like this. It shows you fundamentally do not get the most basic premise of these situations and why people are condemning black people being fucking murdered for not actually breaking any law, but white people literally fucking trying to overthrow the government based on lies are not even having guns pulled on them in the first place. One white person out of thousands was shot, meanwhile one black person (LOTs of instances of it being a kid or a woman) surrounded by several large armed men gets shot/beaten to death.

Either you're a racist but simply too fucking stupid to realize it, you're just simply too stupid to understand quite simple arguments, or you're full of shit and are pulling the old "I'm not a conservative, I don't even support them! But...." nonsense. That's on you to deal with and I sure as shit am not going to placate your ego. Take your apparent soul searching somewhere else because you're literally arguing like a dumbass Q Anon conservative.

Hell, just listen to the motherfuckers and what they view as appropriate sentence for their behavior. But let me guess somehow BLM is just the same, right?
 
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The fascinating thing is just how much his behavior mirrored that of the Capitol rioters... this complete obliviousness to how actions have consequences. He explicitly threatened to shoot another forum member and clearly wasn't expecting to face repercussions for it.

That's how those morons are raised. They're indoctrinated to believe that all the dumb shit they do is forgiven, but somehow also God is rewarding them by giving them cancer after smoking cigarettes.

The interesting part is how chickenshit these fuckers really are. They talk shit and feel confident when they believe they have a gun and the other person doesn't. Otherwise they'd just shit their pants and start bawling their eyes out like a baby, as seen by all these clowns doing exactly that when law enforcement shows up to arrest them for their actions.
 
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The very fact that you're confused is the fucking problem.

These people committed FAR WORSE crimes than the black people. That's why people are talking about harsh punishments.

If you cannot understand the difference that's on you. It is fucking insane for you to be arguing like this. It shows you fundamentally do not get the most basic premise of these situations and why people are condemning black people being fucking murdered for not actually breaking any law, but white people literally fucking trying to overthrow the government based on lies are not even having guns pulled on them in the first place. One white person out of thousands was shot, meanwhile one black person (LOTs of instances of it being a kid or a woman) surrounded by several large armed men gets shot/beaten to death.

Either you're a racist but simply too fucking stupid to realize it, you're just simply too stupid to understand quite simple arguments, or you're full of shit and are pulling the old "I'm not a conservative, I don't even support them! But...." nonsense. That's on you to deal with and I sure as shit am not going to placate your ego. Take your apparent soul searching somewhere else because you're literally arguing like a dumbass Q Anon conservative.

Hell, just listen to the motherfuckers and what they view as appropriate sentence for their behavior. But let me guess somehow BLM is just the same, right?


I've noticed this repeatedly on here. That you are crazy-aggressive over even the smallest disagreement or nuance of poltiical position. And yet, bizarrely, at the same time you seem to be a very centrist liberal. It's a very weird combination. It's like you are centrist (i.e. conservative) in content, but extremist in form.

Either way - I'm not interested in your content-free more-radical-than-thou posture-striking.
 
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BoomerD

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The very fact that you're confused is the fucking problem.

These people committed FAR WORSE crimes than the black people. That's why people are talking about harsh punishments.

If you cannot understand the difference that's on you. It is fucking insane for you to be arguing like this. It shows you fundamentally do not get the most basic premise of these situations and why people are condemning black people being fucking murdered for not actually breaking any law, but white people literally fucking trying to overthrow the government based on lies are not even having guns pulled on them in the first place. One white person out of thousands was shot, meanwhile one black person (LOTs of instances of it being a kid or a woman) surrounded by several large armed men gets shot/beaten to death.

Either you're a racist but simply too fucking stupid to realize it, you're just simply too stupid to understand quite simple arguments, or you're full of shit and are pulling the old "I'm not a conservative, I don't even support them! But...." nonsense. That's on you to deal with and I sure as shit am not going to placate your ego. Take your apparent soul searching somewhere else because you're literally arguing like a dumbass Q Anon conservative.

Hell, just listen to the motherfuckers and what they view as appropriate sentence for their behavior. But let me guess somehow BLM is just the same, right?

I think he's a Brit...shooting anyone is kind of foreign to them.
 

shortylickens

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Considering they've been treated like shit for hundreds of years, black Americans have been very civilized. Theres assloads of books and articles on this subject but white guys like me dont always go looking for them.
But right off the top of my head I can think of one good example.

.

They've become quite adept at staying out of trouble in a white society. You just don't notice it if you haven't experienced it yourself.

Meanwhile regular American whites who've had it super easy all their lives tend to lash out at minor inconveniences. The Suburban Karen is the best example of this attitude.
Angry men who feel like their lives are being threatened tend to don camouflage and walk around town with loaded rifles.
 

Heartbreaker

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On the other hand, employing super-harsh sentencing for all these guys on the basis that that's what black people and minor drug offenders get is just 'levelling down', when surely the aspiration should be to 'level up'?

This is bullshit false equivalence. Minor drug offenses should even be charged, it's completely harmless and should and is being legalized round the world

The Angry mob that attacked police in an attempt to subvert democracy, are treasonous and some of them outright murderers.


Same with the argument that the Trumpists not being shot by the police is 'white privilege', when not being shot by cops if it isn't 100% unavoidable, ought to be a basic norm, not a privilege. They should just be shooting far fewer people all round, not adding a quota of dead white people in order to be non-racist.

This is also a bullshit argument. People didn't want more shooting. They wanted stronger security. Security was ridiculously lax outside. Better security would have kept them out, and Ashli Babbitt would probably still be alive. Security was lax not just compared to BLM protests, but IIRC someone reported it was lax compared to Bill Nye the Science guy event.

Need to work out who were the real organisers behind it and who were just sad husks of people who America has done a number on, who were sucked into it. And give appropriate sentences to all.

What is the Sad husk defense. I am not aware of that one. The mob gleefully looking forward to violence, there were terrifyingly destructive to anything in their way, they deserve the full weight of law, whatever number you think America done to them. We know the chief organizer, it was Donald Trump. He called for the protesters, met with and we have him on camera aiming them down to the Capitol buildings.
 

Jaskalas

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When she got capped, did the bullet push her back or was it a knee jerk reaction and she jumped backwards.

Are you trying to ask us how she fell backwards?

All I have is the videos I have seen. Probably same info you have. She appeared lifeless on the ground, seconds after shot. My guess from that limited source is that the bullet may have struck her spine on the way out, and or the shockwave of impact shredded at least some of her cerebellum and or brain stem. From the limited info the video provides, she appeared "gone" the moment the bullet struck.

The impact would probably knock someone down. As she was climbing up at the time, it wouldn't take much to "kick" her back to the floor - as appeared to happen in the video. OTOH, having your brain severed from your body would also cause you to collapse. For, hopefully, obvious reasons.

Your comment of "please don't act stupid" appears to be a self portrait. If you watched enough of the video to ask your question, the answers I have provided should be self evident. The asking seems a bit morbid, if not carrying some other agenda. I do wonder why you asked?
 

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Lifer
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This is bullshit false equivalence. Minor drug offenses should even be charged, it's completely harmless and should and is being legalized round the world

I'm not really interested in the argument over drugs, either way. Maybe cannabis should be legalised, it's not a topic I know much about. Mostly it seems that it's something that allows right-wing libertarians to blame everything on the 'war on drugs' to avoid addressing all the other things wrong with capitalist/racist society.


The Angry mob that attacked police in an attempt to subvert democracy, are treasonous and some of them outright murderers.

Sure - give them appropriate sentences for what they actually did.


This is also a bullshit argument. People didn't want more shooting. They wanted stronger security. Security was ridiculously lax outside. Better security would have kept them out, and Ashli Babbitt would probably still be alive. Security was lax not just compared to BLM protests, but IIRC someone reported it was lax compared to Bill Nye the Science guy event.

I'm talking of the argument in general, where people have talked about white minor-criminals not being shot where a black person would have been and called that 'white privilege', as if not being shot is a privilege rather than a basic right. Only Americans could consider not being shot by cops to be a privilege. I think it would be preferable to 'level up' so cops just stop shooting people unnecessarily.

Plus plenty of posters on here have called for more shooting in this specific event.

In truth, at times I have felt an impulse to call for it myself. I blow hot-and-cold on it, but I know I'm no tough-guy, I doubt I'd be able to shoot any of them myself so I'm not going to call for others to do so. The other thing is, I grew up among actual leftists, who regarded 'the state' as a tool of the capitalist class (the theory was that that state was, when the time came, to be violently seized by the proletariat - which even then I think I realised wasn't very plausible-sounding), and the idea of giving that state, under capitalism, more power to kill workers still does not sit well with me, even though I've moved a very long way to the right from my upbringing (I guess I'm now a 'democratic socialist' - though a very pessimistic and doubt-filled one). Furthermore I now try very hard to be more of a liberal (was bought up to dislike liberals on the grounds they were just another kind of conservative) and liberals don't like harshly-punitive sentences for criminals, they prefer to try and rehabilitate them, no?


What is the Sad husk defense. I am not aware of that one. The mob gleefully looking forward to violence, there were terrifyingly destructive to anything in their way, they deserve the full weight of law, whatever number you think America done to them. We know the chief organizer, it was Donald Trump. He called for the protesters, met with and we have him on camera aiming them down to the Capitol buildings.


Simply that as far as I can see, at least some of the mob appear to have been, well, sad cases. People of limited education or with drug-problems. People who have been screwed-over by capitalism and US culture and history. By no means am I suggesting that would that cover every one of them. I entirely agree that Trump needs to be removed from office, and ideally put in prison. Probably along with quite a few other figures in the Republican Party.
 

Sunburn74

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I'm torn, really. Like the confused-liberal I am.

On the one hand, if you don't crack down on this sort of thing when it begins, history shows where it ends up. On the other hand, employing super-harsh sentencing for all these guys on the basis that that's what black people and minor drug offenders get is just 'levelling down', when surely the aspiration should be to 'level up'?

Same with the argument that the Trumpists not being shot by the police is 'white privilege', when not being shot by cops if it isn't 100% unavoidable, ought to be a basic norm, not a privilege. They should just be shooting far fewer people all round, not adding a quota of dead white people in order to be non-racist.

Need to work out who were the real organisers behind it and who were just sad husks of people who America has done a number on, who were sucked into it. And give appropriate sentences to all.

Insurrection and rioting that leads to death is worthy of 10-20 year sentences.

You can at least get everyone on manslaughter because whether or not they meant for it to happen, their forceful invasion of the capitol lead to the death of a police officer. Had they not pushed in he'd be alive. Manslaughter easily can be a 10 year sentence.

The injustice is when teenagers are given 20 year sentences for a bit of crack or weed.
 
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trenchfoot

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These people don't get it. Trump was in the WH escatic over what happened. Was he sad that she died? Hell no. He's a psychopath. He doesn't feel anything.


I'm more than certain that Trump had an epic orgasm when he saw that idiots who bought in to his bullshit was willing to die for him. That's about as stupidly loyal as anyone can get and he's the kind of guy that gets off on the amount of control he can exert over what amounts to millions upon millions of addicts of his perverted persona.
 

WelshBloke

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I think the problem is is that there seem to be two broad groups in the "protest".
There were the fucking idiots that had no plan, wondered around taking selfies, chanting, stealing podiums and taking a crap on the floor.
And there was the other, smaller group that turned up willing to commit extreme violence and very much had a plan.
The former could probably be sorted with a minor sentence and are probably crapping their pants at the media putting their photos (that they put on social media) out there.
The latter should be locked up for a long time.
 

Commodus

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I think the problem is is that there seem to be two broad groups in the "protest".
There were the fucking idiots that had no plan, wondered around taking selfies, chanting, stealing podiums and taking a crap on the floor.
And there was the other, smaller group that turned up willing to commit extreme violence and very much had a plan.
The former could probably be sorted with a minor sentence and are probably crapping their pants at the media putting their photos (that they put on social media) out there.
The latter should be locked up for a long time.

That sounds about right. And while I don't think it they planned on it, the hardcore group likely took advantage of the "casuals" to get in where they otherwise would've been easier to stop.
 
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brycejones

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That sounds about right. And while I don't think it they planned on it, the hardcore group likely took advantage of the "casuals" to get in where they otherwise would've been easier to stop.
Poor Elisebeth? Hard core or casual? Sounded like she was totally down with "revolution". The woman who was killed is certainly on the hardcore side.
 

WelshBloke

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Poor Elisebeth? Hard core or casual? Sounded like she was totally down with "revolution". The woman who was killed is certainly on the hardcore side.
Was she the "they pushed me out and maced me" girl?
Without knowing that much about her actual actions in there I couldn't say but she didn't come across as the type of person to beat someone to death.
Lots of people of all political ideologies throw the term revolution around and its mostly because they have no idea that this sort of revolution involves violence. People are used to using revolution as a synonym for major change.
 

WelshBloke

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That sounds about right. And while I don't think it they planned on it, the hardcore group likely took advantage of the "casuals" to get in where they otherwise would've been easier to stop.
I think that the extreme faction absolutely planned to take advantage of the meat shield that the idiots provided.
Its why a bit of actual riot control might have solved the problem before the mob git into the building.
When the useful idiots actually realised that their was opposition and consequences to their actions I bet most would have backed off, then the extremists could have been dealt with with appropriate force.
 
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IronWing

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I think that the extreme faction absolutely planned to take advantage of the meat shield that the idiots provided.
Its why a bit of actual riot control might have solved the problem before the mob git into the building.
When the useful idiots actually realised that their was opposition and consequences to their actions I bet most would have backed off, then the extremists could have been dealt with with appropriate force.
They were all extremists. They spent time and money to attend a campaign rally for a candidate who lost an election over two months ago. That's exceptionally exceptional.
 
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Viper1j

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Fox is making her out a hero and innocent bystander. 4 year tour of duty. She loved her president. Thanks Fox for cleaning that up.

Innocent my ass. She tried to climb through a window SHE BROKE and got dropped like a hot rock.

Look at the upper right corner of the video.

And, I really don't consider a killing that occurred in the course of saving the lives of our elected officials to be anything close to "needless or unnecessary".

Play Trump games, win Trump prizes.
 
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kage69

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Non violent drug offenses are getting 10-20 years. I want to see 10-20 years for each of these felons.

Abso-fucking-lutely this.

These asshats will imprison a single mother (5 years!) over a provisional ballot she didn't know she couldn't submit, but watch, the kid gloves will be on for traitors who violently storm the capitol and create dead people. These poor white insurrectionists, they're the real victims. Good, god fearing mericans should cut them a break, shouldn't we be talkin about antifa?
 
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WelshBloke

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They were all extremists. They spent time and money to attend a campaign rally for a candidate who lost an election over two months ago. That's exceptionally exceptional.
I get that their cause was batshit but public protest isn't a problem.
Waving flags and cganting is fine. I'd give a pass at peacefully occupying government buildings and having sit ins as well.

Beating people to death and searching for public figures to capture and do who knows what are way, way over the line.
 
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I get that their cause was batshit but public protest isn't a problem.
Waving flags and cganting is fine. I'd give a pass at peacefully occupying government buildings and having sit ins as well.

Beating people to death and searching for public figures to capture and do who knows what are way, way over the line.

Sorry but this is just fucking silly. Don't start turning into a dumbass trying to placate these assholes. They came from a rally literally calling for violence, while marching in a group of people chanting about murdering politicians, while on their way to where the politicians are. These were not bumbling Mr Magoos oblivious to what was happening. They were taking pics because they wanted to brag about being a part of that.
 
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