Good Cheap Hardware Modem?

Zorba

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I need a good modem for linux, it has to be hardware. I don't care if it is int. or ext. but if it is int. I would like it to be PCI. And I don't want to spend more than 30 bucks, any ideas?
 

Caitiff

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Actually, it doesn't TECHNICALLY have to be a hardware modem <ducking and cringing> There is supposed to be 'linmodem' drivers for some chipsets out there, but I haven't used any of em. Just wait a few,
WINModus will be here shortly to enlighten you w/ his version of the modem wars.
 

Modus

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There are a number of reasons to avoid higher priced &quot;hard modems,&quot; especially those made by 3Com/USR, in favor of a common PCI winmodem.

1) Winmodems are dirt cheap.

A quick comparison of average street prices shows that while a good Lucent LT or Rockwell/Conexant HCF winmodem (the AOpen FM56-PM is a nice example) can easily be found for less than $20 US, the cheapest hardware modem costs twice as much: $39 plus shipping and handling. And for a 3Com part, you'll pay even more. By contrast, you can sometimes find winmodems for $5 after rebates at electronics retailers, or even for free with special promotions.

Everything else we put in our computers is subject to a price/performance ratio. In other words, if the performance of a more expensive part does not scale linearly with its price, we don't buy it. (RDRAM, anyone?) The same reasoning must be applied to hardware modems. They certainly don't perform twice as well as winmodems of half the price, and as we'll see, they often don't perform any better at all.

2) Ping times and throughput are not an issue.

Modern Winmodems such as those based on the Lucent LT chipset will display ping times below 100ms and connect speeds around 48000, which is more than adequate for any Internet activity, including online gaming. Any recent softmodem -- especially the HCF variety, where the hardware handles a bit more of the duty -- should exhibit similar performance. Below, a cut and paste job from a generic Lucent LT v.90 PCI, which sells for as low as $17:

C:\WINDOWS>ping -n 10 router.infoserve.net

Pinging router.infoserve.net [199.175.157.4] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253

Ping statistics for 199.175.157.4:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 90ms, Maximum = 105ms, Average = 98ms

You may object that pinging an ISP would always yield good results. Actually, it's the only fair way to compare latency between modems. Pinging your ISP reduces the number of variables down to three: your modem's performance, the quality of your phone lines, and the nature of your ISP's modem pool. If we were to compare modems by pinging a fixed point on the Internet, we would quickly introduce several more uncontrolled variables: Internet traffic, server load, number of hops, etc.

Even if you ping your own ISP with an expensive hardware modem, I think you'll find it extremely difficult to match these numbers.

Not bad for $17, eh?

3) CPU utilization is minimal.

One of the main arguments against winmodems has been that they consume CPU cycles. Fortunately, manufacturers have always made sure to set minimum CPU guidelines so that the effect is not noticeable. If CPU usage was ever a problem, it certainly isn't today.

CPU power has increased many, many times faster than the technology behind softmodems. For instance, the CPU usage of a typical winmodem hovers below 5% on a Celeron 333. This is in the range of the power required by Windows to spin an hourglass cursor; it's certainly not something that will eat into your game play significantly. And now we have people running around with 1 GHz processors. Any drop in frame rate will barely be measurable, let alone visible.

4) They are reliable.

In my consulting business, I've sold dozens of PC's equipped with the cheapest Winmodems I could find. Only one has ever come back with a genuine hardware defect.

Many ISP support techs have a grudge against winmodems because they feel these types of modems are responsible for an innordinate number of support calls. There are a couple of reasons for this. First, almost all new computers sold today use winmodems; a person with a new computer and a modem problem will likely be using a winmodem, simply because they are more prevalent. Second, winmodems actually require the drivers they ship with. A new PC user who can't tell the difference between his RAM and his hard drive space will feel his eyes glaze over when confronted with a manual telling him how to install softmodem drivers. Instinct tells him to phone his &quot;Internet guys&quot; and get them to help.

In truth, winmodems are no more apt to fail than hardware modems, and probably less so, because they have fewer electronic components.

5) Driver/OS support is excellent.

The Lucent LT, for example, supports Windows 2000, Windows 9x, Linux (see http://www.linmodems.org under the Vendor section), and even the obscure BeOS. Lucent also seems comitted to releasing a new driver every few months, which means your modem's performance will always be as high as possible.

6) Affordable broadband Internet technology puts any analogue modem to shame.

Anyone using the Internet for more than email and chat sees the need for widely available broadband Internet access to replace our antiquated 56k connections. Trying to enjoy streaming audio or video over a modem connection is like trying to sip a thick milkshake through a thin straw. With the availability and affordability of high speed Internet access growing at a steady rate, it would be foolish to invest more than the minimum amount in modem technology that is already obsolete.

So when you consider the facts, there are very few valid reasons to avoid winmodems.

Modus
 

vinayag

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Just remember one thing, if it is a internal modem, ISA modems are better and reliably identified on linux. There are few pure (Not WinModem) PCI modems that actually work on linux. The reason I say pure is that Microsoft has managed to make most PCI modems into winmodems because they are cheaper for the manufacturer to make and these do not work on linux.

Get a internal ISA modem for around $30 at best buy and the chances are it will work well with linux.
 

JellyBaby

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Vinayag, is this the same MS that promoted the lame windows keys to just about all keyboards available now? You know, those lovely windows keys you hit accidentally or never use. They also force the keys you do use (Alt, Cntl) to be smaller and harder to hit.

I'd say if you heavily multitask or play games, avoid Winmodems at all costs. I'd maybe buy one for granny but never for myself.
 

Russ

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Modus,

He's looking for a LINUX modem.

Zorba,

Good luck finding a hardware based PCI modem for $30.

Russ, NCNE
 

GoldenBear

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I don't know what you're talking about JellyBaby, I frequently use the Start Menu button for shortcuts, like System Properties, Exlorer, Run, Find, etc...And pushing the Start Menu button and the arrow keys is often faster in loading programs than using the mouse. And if you accidentely push them all the time, you sure could use some practice...

Plus, I'm using a Lucent Winmodem right now which I got for $20 since my other one doesn't work under Win2k, and true to what Modus said I do get pings in the low 100s and high connection speeds. IE uses WAY more CPU cycles than the modem does, and when playing UT or whatever, it is often my hardware that limits me...
 

random

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Rather than put my cut-and-paste &quot;evidence&quot; that counters Modus, I shall instead wonder why he bothers to put it in when it is clearly stated:

it has to be hardware.

(If you really want to see it, I've posted it once before)
 

JellyBaby

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<< I don't know what you're talking about JellyBaby, I frequently use the Start Menu button for shortcuts, like System Properties, Exlorer, Run, Find, etc...And pushing the Start Menu button and the arrow keys is often faster in loading programs than using the mouse. >>

These keys perform these functions for you in Linux eh?
 

Vrangel

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Russ and Random

Modus has to copy/paste his baby.

Even if someone needs modem for a Mac.
 

Russ

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Vrangel,

In most cases (meaning for the average user) I think Modus is correct. There are situations, such as this though, where it makes sense to spend the extra money for a hardware solution.

Russ, NCNE
 

Modus

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Russ,

<<He's looking for a LINUX modem.>>

http://www.linmodems.org (look under the vendor section )

The problem is, I've cut and pasted my modem essay so many times people don't read it anymore. They don't realize that I often revise it with new information, such as the fact that Lucent has relased binary Linux drivers for LT winmodems.

random,

<<Rather than put my cut-and-paste &quot;evidence&quot; that counters Modus,>>

Right, I'm sure you've got a mountain of evidence you're just waiting to unleash on me. Thanks for the gracious mercy this time.

<<I shall instead wonder why he bothers to put it in when it is clearly stated:

it has to be hardware.>>


If some one walked in eighteen months ago and wanted to know what the best deal on a Pentium 2 was, you would have been criminally negligent not to suggest an equivalent CeleronA for half the price. The situation here is completely analogous.

Modus
 

Russ

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Modus,

The problem with attempting a non-hardware modem install in Linux is that the cost difference is more than eaten up by the time necessary to try and get it working.

I don't know about you, but I place too much value on my time to jump through the hoops and headaches. I'll spend the extra and install a modem that Linux will automatically grab.

Russ, NCNE
 

Vrangel

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<< I've cut and pasted my modem essay so many times people don't read it anymore >>


Dont let bitterness to stop you Modus. Carry on...
 

Mem

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Zorba,I ask my brother tomorrow he is a computer engineer with Linux experience.
 

coke

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Get any Cirrus Logic MD-5650 ISA (e.g. Jaton Communicator 56K, dunno if it's still being produced) and you'll be fine. These are jumper configurable h/w modems
 

Russ

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coke,

Yes, the Jaton is still being produced and you're right on the money; it works perfectly in Linux.

Russ, NCNE
 

Zorba

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tmj: I'll take good and cheap, then .

Modus: I use a winmodem right now, I know that it is just fine in most cases. But it is not worth my time to try to get one to work with linux, I'd rather pay a little more and get one that linux will like. About broadband: I have been putting off getting a new modem now for well over a year, although neither my cable or phone company will get their acts together (if only I lived 6 miles to the west, I'd be on DSL or Cable).

Russ: &quot;Good luck finding a hardware based PCI modem for $30&quot;
Well I ran up to a couple of stores today after I posted this, none of my wholesale places have hardware modems, and BB's cheapest was around 80 bucks. So I decided that $30 was pretty unrealistic.

Well thanks for the feedback, I'll like into what you all have said.

 

Modus

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For seasoned techs, you guys sound a little like -- pardon me here -- pansies. &quot;Not worth my time trying to get it to work&quot;? Trying to avoid &quot;hoops and headaches&quot;? Come on. That's what makes it fun!

Seriously though, the Lucent LT does work perfectly fine in Linux. Several people on this board are using it. And it's not like it's going to be a pain in the ass to get going. Armed with the binary drivers from Linmodems, it will either work or it won't. There's no magic tweaking involved in installing a PCI winmodem. It's like any other hardware: grab the latest drivers, pop in the card, and load them in. It's not brain surgery.

Modus
 

Modus

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Boy I wish I did work for Lucent, instead of selling computers for a lousy 10% profit and pushing through university.

Modus
 
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