Good compact semi-auto rifle?

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
If legality is no issue I'd LOVE a P90. If you have to stay legit then you're stuck with a PS90. Still by far my favorite pdw.

Why? Ammo is pretty damn expensive, and it has no stopping power against someone who isnt wearing body armor.

No to mention its not exactly easily concealable.

That being said, the design is sexy.

No kidding. If someone shot me with one of those, and I found out about it, I would be PISSED!


I already have my SHTF setup going, and it isnt just one rifle.

SHTF handgun box

SHTF carbine

SHTF Battle rifle

All of those stay loaded, and in soft cases, ready to grab at a moments notice (exception are the handguns, which is a hard case). There are a total of 12 loaded mags with the AR (10 in pouches, and two with a mag coupler loaded in the rifle). There are 6 20rd mags with the m1a in its soft case (5 in pouches and one in rifle).

There are two .45 (HK USP45 Tacitcal and 1911) handguns with 108 rounds of ammunition, 1 glock 19 9mm with 162 rounds of ammo, a .22 LR pistol (Walther P22, soon to be replaced by Sig Mosquito), and the S&W .460 - which can also shoot .45 Long Colt and .454 Casull. 15 rounds total for that monster.

I also keep them loaded and ready just in case I decide I want to go shooting, they just dont sit there until something is about to happen. If I had to scrounge for ammo I should be able to find something that will fit one of those.

I will probably have my CCW with me if I have to bug out as well.

Just out of curiousity...what sort of scenario would prompt you to "bug out"

Disaster in my area (Katrina), zombies, firearm confiscations.

Most likely I would stay put where I am unless some disaster struck right here, since I live 20 miles from any town, have my own well, and a generator.

 

[BillGates]

MP5? Can you buy me one too please?

 

[Martin]

I often wonder wtf goes through the minds of people like adairusmc or the OP. Is it some kind of crippling paranoia that everyone's out to get you? Are you so bored with your lives that you're secretly dreaming of a movie-like apocalyptic scenario where you get to be the gun-totting hero?

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr
How about something like this:

http://www.centuryarms.biz/pro...il.asp?prod=HG1295%2DX

Product ID: HG1295-X
AK Pistol, Cal. 7.62x39mm

Accepts all double stack AK magazines! All metal and wood is refinished. The barrel is new US manufacture (no chrome bore lining). Comes with 2 20 rd. double stack mags. BATF compliant. Barrel: 12 1/4?, Overall: 21 3/4?, Weight: 5 1/2 lbs. (w/o magazine).

... if you really want to be a geek, slap a 50 round banana magazine on..

http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=MA1047

... or a 100 round drum:

http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=MA1071

.. I'd probably opt for a full size model with a folding stock, but if you are serious about getting as compact as possible this should do the trick.

The 50rd mags are shit. Stick with the 30rd bulgarian polymers. That drum is an RPD drum and wont work with the AK. It's designed to belt feed from it. An actual drum is going to start @ about $75-80 for a Romanian or $130-150 for a Chinese. These are bothe 75 rounders.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Martin
I often wonder wtf goes through the minds of people like adairusmc or the OP. Is it some kind of crippling paranoia that everyone's out to get you? Are you so bored with your lives that you're secretly dreaming of a movie-like apocalyptic scenario where you get to be the gun-totting hero?

still better than the ones that build nuclear fallout shelters in their backyard.

 

[TuxDave]

Saw this one future weapons

But then again I know nothing about guns... but it looked cool.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Martin
I often wonder wtf goes through the minds of people like adairusmc or the OP. Is it some kind of crippling paranoia that everyone's out to get you? Are you so bored with your lives that you're secretly dreaming of a movie-like apocalyptic scenario where you get to be the gun-totting hero?

*cough* Katrina *cough*

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Martin
I often wonder wtf goes through the minds of people like adairusmc or the OP. Is it some kind of crippling paranoia that everyone's out to get you? Are you so bored with your lives that you're secretly dreaming of a movie-like apocalyptic scenario where you get to be the gun-totting hero?

*cough* Katrina *cough*

In Cali, it would be the possible future 8.0+ earthquake, or anything else that causes a temporary disruption of civil services. Or zombies...

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Martin
I often wonder wtf goes through the minds of people like adairusmc or the OP. Is it some kind of crippling paranoia that everyone's out to get you? Are you so bored with your lives that you're secretly dreaming of a movie-like apocalyptic scenario where you get to be the gun-totting hero?

*cough* Katrina *cough*

In Cali, it would be the possible future 8.0+ earthquake, or anything else that causes a temporary disruption of civil services. Or zombies...

despite the gun grabbers crying about what people "should need", I vaguely remember during the LA riots, certain shop owners used certain high power toys to defend their property.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: BillGates
MP5? Can you buy me one too please?

The local class 3 dealer around here (also the county sheriff), has 2 of them for sale.

They can be yours for the low price of $17,500 each.

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Martin
I often wonder wtf goes through the minds of people like adairusmc or the OP. Is it some kind of crippling paranoia that everyone's out to get you? Are you so bored with your lives that you're secretly dreaming of a movie-like apocalyptic scenario where you get to be the gun-totting hero?

*cough* Katrina *cough*

In Cali, it would be the possible future 8.0+ earthquake, or anything else that causes a temporary disruption of civil services. Or zombies...

Riots. Or any occasion that people think it's time to loot and burn.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Martin
I often wonder wtf goes through the minds of people like adairusmc or the OP. Is it some kind of crippling paranoia that everyone's out to get you? Are you so bored with your lives that you're secretly dreaming of a movie-like apocalyptic scenario where you get to be the gun-totting hero?

I may just need that stuff for voting as well.

 

[Tsunami982]

I hate to be a party pooper but when I was buying my shotgun and thinking about getting a CA legal AR, I kept this in the back of my mind "I live in Commifornia and they hate guns here, if I have to defend myself or my family and use it on someone, its going to look real bad to the jury when they hold up an shotgun/rifle thats been modified with high tech optics/modified triggers/tac lights/bipods/bayonets/even fuzzy dice." Also, even if you are justified in shooting (and in CA thats an uphill battle), you are liable for any additional damage resulting... so overpenetration (rifles). If you hit your neighbor or some random kid on the street after your went through the perp and wall... you are still going to jail.

Most confrontations are within 5-10yds and last for 3secs. You want to protect yourself if SHTF... but you dont want to go to jail afterward either. For home defense... I bought a Mossberg 590 (8+1)... if you can't hit something with 9rds from a shotgun at 5-10 yards, you shouldn't be thinking about getting a gun until you get some more range time. Go shotgun... cheap reliable... much easier to put lead on target at short ranges... and I have yet to meet a zombie that would be able to take 9 large buck/slugs... and if I did... I'd probably be screwed anyway.

 

[ThePresence]

I'd pick up one of these.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Tsunami982
I hate to be a party pooper but when I was buying my shotgun and thinking about getting a CA legal AR, I kept this in the back of my mind "I live in Commifornia and they hate guns here, if I have to defend myself or my family and use it on someone, its going to look real bad to the jury when they hold up an shotgun/rifle thats been modified with high tech optics/modified triggers/tac lights/bipods/bayonets/even fuzzy dice." Also, even if you are justified in shooting (and in CA thats an uphill battle), you are liable for any additional damage resulting... so overpenetration (rifles). If you hit your neighbor or some random kid on the street after your went through the perp and wall... you are still going to jail.

Most confrontations are within 5-10yds and last for 3secs. You want to protect yourself if SHTF... but you dont want to go to jail afterward either. For home defense... I bought a Mossberg 590 (8+1)... if you can't hit something with 9rds from a shotgun at 5-10 yards, you shouldn't be thinking about getting a gun until you get some more range time. Go shotgun... cheap reliable... much easier to put lead on target at short ranges... and I have yet to meet a zombie that would be able to take 9 large buck/slugs... and if I did... I'd probably be screwed anyway.

A shotgun cannot hit someone 500 yards out.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

P90, G36, etc. come to mind.

<--- Played too much BF2

 

[AAjax]

http://www.gunsinternational.c...100000653&string=cid=4

I used to own one of these in CA, but I seriously doubt you can get them here anymore

 

[Fern]

Since we're talking about zombies here, I'd prefer a scoped deer hunting rifle.

Shooting zombies in the head from distance is way more fun than up close with a shotgun etc.

Fern

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
If legality is no issue I'd LOVE a P90. If you have to stay legit then you're stuck with a PS90. Still by far my favorite pdw.

Why? Ammo is pretty damn expensive, and it has no stopping power against someone who isnt wearing body armor.

No to mention its not exactly easily concealable.

That being said, the design is sexy.

No kidding. If someone shot me with one of those, and I found out about it, I would be PISSED!


I already have my SHTF setup going, and it isnt just one rifle.

SHTF handgun box

SHTF carbine

SHTF Battle rifle

All of those stay loaded, and in soft cases, ready to grab at a moments notice (exception are the handguns, which is a hard case). There are a total of 12 loaded mags with the AR (10 in pouches, and two with a mag coupler loaded in the rifle). There are 6 20rd mags with the m1a in its soft case (5 in pouches and one in rifle).

There are two .45 (HK USP45 Tacitcal and 1911) handguns with 108 rounds of ammunition, 1 glock 19 9mm with 162 rounds of ammo, a .22 LR pistol (Walther P22, soon to be replaced by Sig Mosquito), and the S&W .460 - which can also shoot .45 Long Colt and .454 Casull. 15 rounds total for that monster.

I also keep them loaded and ready just in case I decide I want to go shooting, they just dont sit there until something is about to happen. If I had to scrounge for ammo I should be able to find something that will fit one of those.

I will probably have my CCW with me if I have to bug out as well.

Just out of curiousity...what sort of scenario would prompt you to "bug out"

Disaster in my area (Katrina), zombies, firearm confiscations.

Most likely I would stay put where I am unless some disaster struck right here, since I live 20 miles from any town, have my own well, and a generator.

Remind me to fight my way over to you if SHTF. Sounds like my chances of survival would be higher, provided you didn't shoot me on sight

 

[everman]

What does the exp date mean on the list of handguns certified for sale in CA? Are they no longer legal for sale after that date?
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Martin
I often wonder wtf goes through the minds of people like adairusmc or the OP. Is it some kind of crippling paranoia that everyone's out to get you? Are you so bored with your lives that you're secretly dreaming of a movie-like apocalyptic scenario where you get to be the gun-totting hero?

*cough* Katrina *cough*

I saw a show on superstorms on PBS recently, The NE is gonna get shithammered by a hurricane one of these days, and t's going to make Katrina look like a child's game... Imagine NYC completely flooded....

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: everman
What does the exp date mean on the list of handguns certified for sale in CA? Are they no longer legal for sale after that date?
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp

Thats when the manufacturer has to pay a fee to keep that model on the list.

EDIT: To clarify, only "safe" models can be sold through dealers. If you want a handgun that is off the list, you have to get it through ppt, or familial transfer.

 

[Pliablemoose]

& personally, I feel every SHTF needs a scoped hunting rifle or a sniper rifle.

Will Smith in I am Legend showed the problem with using an AR...

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Tsunami982
I hate to be a party pooper but when I was buying my shotgun and thinking about getting a CA legal AR, I kept this in the back of my mind "I live in Commifornia and they hate guns here, if I have to defend myself or my family and use it on someone, its going to look real bad to the jury when they hold up an shotgun/rifle thats been modified with high tech optics/modified triggers/tac lights/bipods/bayonets/even fuzzy dice." Also, even if you are justified in shooting (and in CA thats an uphill battle), you are liable for any additional damage resulting... so overpenetration (rifles). If you hit your neighbor or some random kid on the street after your went through the perp and wall... you are still going to jail.

Most confrontations are within 5-10yds and last for 3secs. You want to protect yourself if SHTF... but you dont want to go to jail afterward either. For home defense... I bought a Mossberg 590 (8+1)... if you can't hit something with 9rds from a shotgun at 5-10 yards, you shouldn't be thinking about getting a gun until you get some more range time. Go shotgun... cheap reliable... much easier to put lead on target at short ranges... and I have yet to meet a zombie that would be able to take 9 large buck/slugs... and if I did... I'd probably be screwed anyway.

A shotgun cannot hit someone 500 yards out.

In a SHTF scenario, why would you need to pick someone off at 500 yards?

 

[Heller]

wait you want a rifle because you actually think zombies are coming?