Good deal on Satanic Bible, $3.46

[vaylon]

Since religious things keep coming up, wouldnt it be easier to just BAN all religious post period in the hot deals forum and just start a new board for religious deals.
I find the post entertaining and enjoyable, but there not hot deals by any stretch of the imagination.
As far as my post go, I am an underdog lover. I will stand beside anyone who is in the minority, just because I like a challenge.
As far as the dna thing goes, adam and eve were the first hebrews, not the first people. The bible even hints to that by mentioning the people from the land of nod.
Well I am off to church! I keep them going as well.
Life is good, just enjoy it!

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Pretty interesting deal. I may pick one up just to see what it is all about. Being an agnostic, I am a very open minded person when it comes to religion and would like to read this bible.

 

[Jeff7]

Hehe, I just had to check this out just for the title.
Can't figure out what exactly it's supposed to be about though.

 

[HillbillyHab]

Originally posted by: XFreebie
ever heard of symbolism?

as for evolution, it does not explain 100% of how
the human eye (or for that matter most organs) are simply too complex to evolve


The famous scientist/physicist/programmer Stephen Wolfram has a new book which claims to answer this. In short, he says that complex systems such as those found in nature can be derived from extremely simple rules. In a recent interview he said that the rules forming these systems could be as short as four lines of code. He claims that science has been pointed in the wrong direction for 300 years and that his theories will change all disciplines of science, economics, etc. Stephen Wolfram was a phd physicist at age 20, wrote the computer program mathematica and made millions, he then became interested in cellular automata and dropped out of society for a decade to test his theories and write his book " A New Science". Personally, I am not sure what to make of all this as I have not read the book. However I have ordered it and am eagerly anticipating its arrival as I have been a Wolfram observer for several years after reading a magazine article about him. It should be an interesting read for us computer geeks or anyone interested in science in general. Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.

 

[HillbillyHab]

This explains it a bit more eloquently.

Editorial Reviews

Amazon.com
Physics and computer science genius Stephen Wolfram, whose Mathematica computer language launched a multimillion-dollar company, now sets his sights on a more daunting goal-- understanding the universe. Wolfram lets the world see his work in A New Kind of Science, a gorgeous, 1,280-page tome more than a decade in the making. With patience, insight, and self- confidence to spare, Wolfram outlines a fundamental new way of modeling complex systems.

On the frontier of complexity science since he was a boy, Wolfram is a champion of cellular automata--256 "programs" governed by simple nonmathematical rules. He points out that even the most complex equations fail to accurately model biological systems, but the simplest cellular automata can produce results straight out of nature--tree branches, stream eddies, and leopard spots, for instance. The graphics in A New Kind of Science show striking resemblance to the patterns we see in nature every day.

Wolfram wrote the book in a distinct style meant to make it easy to read, even for nontechies; a basic familiarity with logic is helpful but not essential. Readers will find themselves swept away by the elegant simplicity of Wolfram's ideas and the accidental artistry of the cellular automaton models. Whether or not Wolfram's revolution ultimately gives us the keys to the universe, his new science is absolutely awe-inspiring. --Therese Littleton

 

[huesmann]

I'll buy that for a dollar! No, really, after adding shipping, that's all I'd be willing to pay.

Also, how come there are no Church Lady jokes yet? Or is everyone else here too much of a young'un to remember her?

 

[djlevyii]

A devil of a deal...........

 

[Kraeji]

This is not a hot deal... what the hell.. i can list a bunch of books from half.com too.. these are used books and can only be bought by 1 person.. I thought ebay links (half.com) were not allowed.. so whats up with this? I have a bunch of books at half.com and ebay auctions that I would like to post here. Is that ok with the mods?

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Originally posted by: Caveman2001
ValsalvaYourHeartOut said,

It's clear from what you wrote that you do not understand evolution and natural selection at all. Maybe if you took the time to research and understand the theories yourself, rather than accept ideas that have been spoonfed to you buy your religious teachers, you might have a more open-minded perspective.

Dude, believe there is no such thing as a creator, that's fine, but don't try to tell me or anyone here that somehow your theory or theories are scientific at all.

Science is the process of formulating hypotheses, conducting an experiment to disprove or support said hypotheses, and then formulating new if you hypotheses based on new-found knowledge. Your religion, OTOH, is essentially a dissemination of barely-believable facts that are generally inconsistent with anything observable in the natural world. Evolution is a THEORY -- which means that it is an explanation that so far seems plausible and consistent with what we can see and test. It would be impossible to PROVE that we evolved from simpler organisms because the only way to "prove" this would be to live for 100 million years and watch this happen....similarly, we have no double-blind controlled studies that PROVE cigarettes cause cancer, but hopefully you would be willing to accept this based on the studies we have conducted thus far (it would be unethical to conduct such an experiment).

Here's your problem which you appearantly don't even know. If you believe in "natural selection", you are talking MICRO-evolution. I have no problem with natural selection because it's observable science (i.e. lame duck won't last long in the wilderness). However, to throw in a GIANT leap of faith and say based on natural selection evolution is true is completely proposterous.

This is untrue. When I speak of natural selection, I am referring to the evolution of higher life forms (animals) from much simpler ones. We can already observe the development of adaptive characteristics in humans based on the theory of natural selection -- on the other hand, the Bible fails to account for any such thing. The giant leap of faith that you talk about is believing silly things like there's a God who made Adam, but he couldn't make Eve from scratch, so he ripped out Adam's rib, and then he made a bunch of animals. Yeah, this would definitely make sense if it were 10 AD and we didn't any better. May I remind you how vigorously the Church opposed Gallileo's THEORY that the Earth revolved around the sun. I think centuries later, the Church eventually accepted that....

You see, you evolutionists like to cloud peoples mind with a little truth and a lot of belief.

This is one of those hand-waving statements they make in Sunday school that seems to satisfy a lot of people....

You believe because natural selection exists that somehow that proves that MACRO-evolution (i.e. we came from a rock) must be true also. Man, that's as un-scientific as anyone can get.

I never made such an argument. Again, I believe that natural selection is far more consistent with observable natural phenomenon and basic reasoning than is the Biblical explanation of how we all got here.

Here's a great example of why evolutionists are clearly NOT being scientific:

Biologists date index fossels by the layer of rock they are found in. Geologists date the rock layers by what kind of index fossils they find. Folks, this is called CIRCULAR REASONING. I wonder if you even knew that Valsalva. So how old is that rock or fossil?

The date of the rock or fossil can be obtained by carbon-14 radiodating, which is a reasonably accurate means of assessing the age of a buried specimen that relies on the constant fractional decay of 14C. Other naturally occuring isotopes are commonly used as well. I don't know where you got your misinformation from, but it clearly wasn't from a biologist or a geologist.

Valsalva

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