Good for Nvidia... Prices rising but they deserve it. Geforce3 worthy of $600 price tag

[nortexoid]

who's pretending to know the acutal manufacturing/development procedures/costs of cpus and nvidia's gpu?...

blah blah, aside from your flaming me w/ not-so-interesting remarks, nvidia doesn't make, sell, pee on, etc. the RAM...the manufacturers that buy their chips do...

get this...i'm talking about the cost of the chip and only the chip (which is the primary cost of the card) and not the RAM used on th ecard (which does varies in make, performance, price, etc.)...

regardless of how u look at it, the cost is outrageous...

settle down now...

update: i'm basing this claim that their outrageous prices are w/out justification based on their previous prices of various chipsets...I, nor do u or probably anybody else in these forums know the manufacturing costs of the chip (regardless of hwo many transistors it has, etc.)

 

[rickn]

actually, nvidia does buy memory and resell. They put in a huge order at one time, to the order of over 1 million pieces.

 

[nortexoid]

i updated...

and they sell...my bad

i'll shut up now then.

 

[DeathroweR]

Hey rferrar1 -

Even though I can't believe you're a genuine member yet, not only I agree with you - I have an even better idea:

WHY DON'T WE SEND nVIDIA $100 FOR EVERY GPU VIDEOCARD WE BUY ?!

I mean, they're probably on the brink of bankrupcy with all thos R&D and manufacturing costs. Do you want MS to buy them? NO !
Let's make sure evil and greedy card manufacturers don't rob nVidia of it's last shirt - let's send them money directly.

I mean, they don't charge enough anyway ...

:disgust:

 

[ForeverSilky]

This is why consoles rule and will evntually take over gaming in all aspects.

 

[JellyBaby]

<< This is why consoles rule and will evntually take over gaming in all aspects. >>

Good one FS.

It may be GPUs continue to increase in complexity beyond general purpose CPUs. It may be GPUs are more costly to design and build. But if Intel were, in a span of a just couple of years, to price their new consumer-level chips at 2x+ the $$$ the buying public would be upset. Hey wait they've done this! But then AMD arrived and saved us all mondo money.

At this point it's early to make the final call on the GF3. No reviews and such. But I for one am tired of hyped featured that look great in theory but never appear to make much difference in actual games...when you can even find games supporting things like T&amp;L.

Progress must be made and I am grateful nvidia is raising the bar as quickly as they have.

 

[NIUBurned]

Does anyone relize how freaking expencive this thing is to produce?? It isnt priced at 600 because nvidia is the top dog! It is because 64 megs of fast ddr ram isnt cheap, the chip is twice as complex as the GF, and its most likly being produced at .15. So, it looks like nvidia really doesnt have a choice. Im sure nvidia would much prefer to sell it cheaper and sell more, but they cant afford it.

 

[Pariah]

&quot;-We asked for 32bit color, and they gave it to us before anyone else.&quot;

No they didn't, ATI did. And before you say the TNT was better at it, 32bit was practically useless on both cards.

&quot;-We asked for the fastest possible gaming and they gave us a vastly superior card every 6 months.&quot;

Yup, raising the price every time for what was basically a die shrink and a core speed increase for 2 out of every 3 new cards.

&quot;We wanted FSAA, and even though 3dfx seemed primed to release it first Nvidia gave us new drivers supporting the function (although not the better FSAA, they still gave it to us right away).&quot;

No one in NVidia's camp wanted FSAA. All there were were NVidia fans trashing 3dfx for how useless FSAA would be, most of them still do. You consider some hackneyed driver feature tacked on after the competition announced full hardware support to be listening to the user? It's called marketing.

&quot;We asked for inovation and Nvidia developed hardware T&amp;L.&quot;

Hardware T&amp;L was around long before NVidia thought about using it. Technological progression made it cheap enough for them to utilize it.

 

[ForeverSilky]

You'll see....eventually.

 

[Napalm]

This is this posters first post and only post (not counting the exact same post on the exact same topic - isn't NVidia cool... - in the video forum. Funny, my first post here (and I assume most first posts of other members) was to ask for hardware-related help, not to try to drum up some postive PR for a video card company. Man, it really bugs me when people come into these forums and post useless propaganda like this POS thread.

Go back to where you came from NVidiot.

Napalm

 

[gtd2000]

Some people will never be happy thats the sad truth about human nature.

As far as I am aware Nvidia do not actually manufacture the finished graphics cards that are being released to Joe Public at an alledged price of US$600?

Do nVidia not provide the chipsets for the excellent value/performance GeForce MX2? The same one I paid US$74 for last week with -5ns Winbond RAM chips?

Nobody is forcing anybody to buy a US$600 graphics card - you don't even &quot;need&quot; a card like that right now!

nortexoid,
If it wasn't for the opposition of &quot;capitalism&quot; we would not even be considering this question as we would all currently be toiling the fields of our collective farms etc...lol.
Capitalism &quot;gave you&quot; the PC - for good or bad! Bad in my situation...
I am a socialist at heart - but I prefer to be a realist
Name a good graphics card from one of the supposedly &quot;socialist&quot; states?
Of course when you do a days work you only &quot;require&quot; enough to have food and shelter - after all you don't need/require anything else really - thats a bit like a company and profits?

The bottom line is if you don't want to pay US$600 for a nVidia based chipset, call ATi or whoever else is left making graphics cards and ask them for the same spec and name your suggested price - they may have stopped laughing by the time you hang up the phone....

Alternatively just don't buy one - the consumers are the people who hold the power! The price you pay is the price the market will support.

No noses out of joint intentionally

 

[erub]

gtd your right. You know what nVIDIA did? Using the quadratic formula, and probably some advanced math I don't know, they figured out how to make maximum profits. Intel and every other profitable company does the exact same thing. If the market won't support the price, then they'll loose $..or lower the price of the chip.

I would never pay $600 for a video card, nor would I pay it for a CPU. But that's my own choice...and the company can never make the choice for me. Remember, the consumer sets the price of goods.

Of course, if somebody wants to spend their $600 on a graphics card, they are more than welcome to. Personally, I'd rather spend it on a 32&quot; TV set.

Your just upset cause you can't justify spending that kind of dollars on a graphics card. Don't worry, if you haven't figured it out yet, being a &quot;conspicous consumer&quot; on a piece of electronics will not get you that beautiful girl you want in bed.

 

[DeathroweR]

heh...

To the &quot;INNOVATION&quot; defenders:

- innovation is doing more things with less transistors;
- more memory bandwidth shouldn't mean ULTRA-expensive DDR - shoud be a new memory interface or in the best case a new approach altogether
- innovation isn't taking somethig that existed for ages and branding it
- innovation isn't stealing tech and buying off engineers
- innovation is most certainly NOT increasing the price

PS: This isn't addressed to the fake identity that started the thread but to real people who answered

 

[NFS4]

<< cuz i said so, and that's the bottom line... >>


Give me a break!!!!!!

 

[DeathroweR]

oh no...

Did I piss you off?

 

[DeathroweR]

And - oh yea, give credit when credit is due:
they have the most innovative marketing engine.

 

[erub]

marketing is 75% of the battle.

You really don't think Polo clothes are 5x better quality than the look alikes you can buy at walmart, do you? And what about that new Jeep Grand Cherokee you've been eyeing? Will it get you to where your going 5x better than the $8K used car you've been driving?

Lemme help you, the answer is no.

 

[gtd2000]

<< most innovative marketing >>



I think MacDonalds holds that award - crap product but nearly everybody eats it!

 

[Shockwave]

Ok, after reading everything, it seems high end graphics cards have always been costly, around 500 or higher...SO, if the New nVidia is 600, and this is what, 2 or 3 years later, doesnt this either follow inflation or actaully run a little behind? What I mean is, what we pay now is less then what we should be paying based on the cost of previous products then factoring in inflation....But then again, I may be way the hell off here...Anyways, as for my .02, ATI is better then NVidia. Granted, nvidia is setting goals and has a very respectable product, but I prefer class over sheer horsepower.....Some like Vipers, I like Porches.....Same speed, different.....style....

 

[Jalapeno]

Just a thought - you can buy a whole computer for $600.00 and have a Matrox card in it!

 

[viper007]

OK. ghfjhgh

 

[Sunner]

I agree with original poster on most stuff.

nVidia has pushed the limits more often than any of its competitors, and thats why its the top dog now.

3dfx was once the one doing the pushing and at that time they were at the top of the 3D market, in both cases the respective companies deserved it.

And for all the people whining about the $600 price tag, just dont buy it, how hard can it be???

I dont like that price tag, and I sure as hell wont buy a GF3 when its released, I could afford it, but that doesnt mean it would be well spent money, hence I wont buy it.
The customers sets the price.
I just cant understand how so many people can complain about the pricing of a thing such as a graphics card, if it was some medicine that lots of people couldnt live without, it would be another matter, but this is just a luxury that noone really needs, so just either live with the price or live without the product, you dont have to buy it.

 

[chuckieland]

customer don't set the price
company does, and the customer only get to choose which is the best one to get within their budget.
that is why yamaha sound card cost like $20buck while creative live value card cost $40buck.
but the true is &quot;brand name&quot; sell higher

 

[Sunner]

We set the price in the end.

If the customers dont like the price of a product and dont buy it, they will lower the price or discontinue the product.

If we buy a product at a specific cost they might try to raise the cost on the next gen product.

Its all tuning to find the balance between highest profit margins and higher volumes.

 

[NIUBurned]

So true Sunner. We DO set the price. People like me that hope to buy that GF3 soon make it expencive for the rest of you all.
What makes me wonder is why you people who complain about the price of the GF3 dont really complain about the price of a BMW or Benz....or really dont complain about the price of the most expencive cpus? Maybe its because you havent come to expect the price of the best video card to be out of your price range... Gotta remember people, it used to be the cpu that really held back our computers and there for was the most crucial, now, it seems, its the video card. THAT is why they can price it so high. The video card is now CRUCIAL to having a fast gaming computer.