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killster1

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I don’t live my life in fear that a gun toting boogie man is around every corner. That’s saying a lot since I now live in SYG Florida. I am carefully aware of my environment and can take defensive measures other than firearms to protect myself and love ones. If I feel I need to carry I will.

Like i said if you stay at home most of your life, dont go out at night, no traveling, nothing to fun then you should be safe. Even if the boogieman is behind 1 in 20,000 corners why not be a little prepared. You are saying your wife can fight off a gunman with karate?

Oh i see you dont have a CCW so you CANT carry legally. its easier for you to say you wouldn't ever need one to help justify it in your head, you can take "defensive measures other than firearms to protect myself and love ones. "
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Some kinda fortune teller? how do you know what situation you are in ahead of time? I guess if you dont leave the house you are fairly safe. avoiding night and busy areas also will help but who is to know some psycho cuts you off and pulls a gun because they have some delusion.

You don’t know what situations you’ll be in ahead of time? You sound irresponsible.

I KNOW I’ll never be in a situation where I
  • Miss a shot and hit a bystander or loved one on accident.
  • Mistake a loved one or innocent bystander for a bad guy and shoot them.
  • Never be mistaken as a bad guy by the cops for brandishing my weapon at a crime scene
  • Never suffer an illness or dementia that causes me to accidentally shoot a loved one or innocent bystander.

I know tons about my future situations. Why don’t you?
 
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killster1

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You don’t know what situations you’ll be in ahead of time? You sound irresponsible.

I KNOW I’ll never be in a situation where I
  • Miss a shot and hit a bystander or loved one on accident.
  • Mistake a loved one or innocent bystander for a bad guy and shoot them.
  • Never be mistaken as a bad guy by the cops for brandishing my weapon at a crime scene
  • Never suffer an illness or dementia that causes me to accidentally shoot a loved one or innocent bystander.

I know tons about my future situations. Why don’t you?


nah it sounds like you only know what you wont be doing, saving anyone. I know i wont be shooting anyone by accident. it will be 100% on purpose. I know my rounds can travel past a target, but there are always risks with everything and the benefits must be weighed against the possible negative outcomes. If you are incompetent i think its a good idea that you dont arm yourself, and while your at it maybe you should not drive a automobile or operate heavy machinery (So you wont mistake a loved one as the pavement and drive them over or have a illness that causes you to be confused and crash into a crowd)
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Man, this is why the answer to gun violence should never be "moar guns!"

Also, PSA: If you live in an open-carry state and you're black, don't open carry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/us/alabama-mall-shooting.html

Black Man Killed by Officer in Alabama Mall Shooting Was Not the Gunman, Police Now Say

The police in Alabama said an officer fatally shot a 21-year-old black man on Thursday night who they said shot at least one person at a mall near Birmingham, turning a Thanksgiving holiday shopping scene into chaos.

But on Friday the police said evidence suggests that the man actually was not the gunman and that the true gunman remained at large.

The Hoover Police Department said on Twitter that the man who was killed, Emantic Fitzgerald Bradford Jr., “may have been involved in some aspect” of an altercation at the mall, the Riverchase Galleria in Hoover, Ala., that preceded the shooting.

But, they said, he “likely did not fire the rounds” that struck an 18-year-old man as they had originally indicated. Another victim, a 12-year-old girl, was an “innocent bystander,” the police said. Both were hospitalized but their conditions on Saturday were unavailable.

“We regret that our initial media release was not totally accurate, but new evidence indicates that it was not,” the police said, adding that the conclusion was based on interviews with witnesses and “critical evidentiary items.”

Another great example of why we should disarm the state.
 

fskimospy

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nah it sounds like you only know what you wont be doing, saving anyone. I know i wont be shooting anyone by accident. it will be 100% on purpose. I know my rounds can travel past a target, but there are always risks with everything and the benefits must be weighed against the possible negative outcomes. If you are incompetent i think its a good idea that you dont arm yourself, and while your at it maybe you should not drive a automobile or operate heavy machinery (So you wont mistake a loved one as the pavement and drive them over or have a illness that causes you to be confused and crash into a crowd)

What percentage of people who have accidentally shot someone do you think ‘knew’ they wouldn’t accidentally shoot someone until it actually happened? My guess is that percentage is very large.

The research on this is clear, you’re much more likely to hurt yourself or someone you care about with your gun than you are to save yourself or someone you care about. Those are just the facts. If you think you’re special and can defy the odds okay, but most people think that before they find out the odds are the odds for a reason.
 
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zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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Eventually, we will find that good guy with a gun holed up in some hidden bunker with the equally-mythical welfare queen.

Some day!
 

Sunburn74

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I have no brother and the nearest zoo might be 90 miles?

Actually own a BMW and dont understand why you think anyone is safe with a light on and locked door? You realize criminals do indeed travel and often break into nice houses and not trailers? Rich, poor, middle class everyone owns guns silly to try and make it sound as if only lower class folks would have them.

If you do not feel the need to carry it on you, a 9mm with the sparetire would be handy. Breakdown at night two flat tires, etc or is that impossible too?
In general people are horrendous at assessing and managing risk. If you put a lot of energy into gun ownership for protection you're more likely to get the gun used on you or your family than a criminal. Similarly if you try and vigilantly monitor if your wife is cheating on you you'll only end up ruining your marriage.

People are horrendous at risk assessment. That is the fact. There are many more credible and preventable threats to most people's lives that they willingly do nothing about but somehow people argue to carry weapons as an ineffective response to fairly generally rare threats.

Again rich guys know they can be robbed and killed but they aren't packing heat. There is a reason for this. They properly are assessing their risks.
 

killster1

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In general people are horrendous at assessing and managing risk. If you put a lot of energy into gun ownership for protection you're more likely to get the gun used on you or your family than a criminal. Similarly if you try and vigilantly monitor if your wife is cheating on you you'll only end up ruining your marriage.

People are horrendous at risk assessment. That is the fact. There are many more credible and preventable threats to most people's lives that they willingly do nothing about but somehow people argue to carry weapons as an ineffective response to fairly generally rare threats.

Again rich guys know they can be robbed and killed but they aren't packing heat. There is a reason for this. They properly are assessing their risks.




You are just making things up. I like how you compare it to a wife cheating and that rich people simply dont carry guns. Insane, have already had two instances where lifes have been saved by arming self. So I guess if I kill a innocent I'm still ahead in the % right? Or maybe it's the fact people dont secure the weapon and lack common sense. I mean you claim rich people dont carry guns I'm 100% sure you lack common sense as it's just a made up fact. I guess you live in a fairytale or Switzerland possibly
 

sactoking

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This incident perfectly illustrates why we need to arm teachers to prevent school shootings: teachers carry guns - > teacher maybe stops next school shooter (irrelevant to this exercise) - > SWAT shoots teacher - > repeat - > nobody wants to teach any more - > schools close due to lack of teachers - > no schools means no school shootings. Problem solved!
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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What your average gun nut thinks is going to happen:

What’s more likely to happen:
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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WTF are you going on about?

I call for the facts of the case before I judge it.
I try to illustrate just how dangerous and F'ed the situation is.
I call for gun control to stop this from continuing to be our reality.

Perhaps you could evaluate the substance of your complaint.


Just to give you some insight, he has been going pretty hard core down voting people he thinks are on the left. He even down voted Warp for posts made back in 2016. War has not been on for some time, but, this guy went and down voted old posts anyway. Looks like he think you are one of "them" and so you were down voted.
 

Jaskalas

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Exam: Black man killed by officer shot 3 times in back

Ugh...
Officials then backtracked, saying Bradford wasn't the initial shooter. They said Bradford had a handgun visible after the initial gunfire, and the city and police said that action increased the threat level for responding officers.

Handgun visible is a pretty weak statement. Was it NOT in his hand? Was he NOT brandishing? It raises a red flag and a lot of questions.
Shot in the back adds more necessity for some reasonable motive for the officer's actions, and thus far they have given us none.
 

Pipeline 1010

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He was someone with a gun in an active shooter scenario, that's probably the only reasonable motive they needed considering there's no consequence for that kind of action.

Ding ding ding. Unless and until there is consequence for that, it will keep happening. There can be consequences for NOT shooting someone with a gun.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Alabama AG: Hoover police officer justified
“The facts of this case demonstrate that Officer 1 reasonably exercised his official powers, duties, or functions when he shot” Bradford, the report continues.
“Officer 1” and his partner were working on-duty in the Galleria when they heard gunfire from 75 feet away. The two officers encountered Bradford within three seconds. Bradford, the report states, “held a firearm in a ready position.” The two officers charged forward.

Wow, so the officers were in the immediate vicinity of the shooting, witnessed the victims, and an armed man HOLDING a gun running around in front of them. I'm not quite sure what to make of the video yet, but it all happens so very fast - with Bradford shot on the ground within 5-7 seconds of the original shooting. He appeared to be moving towards the officers, sees them, and turns to run the other way, but is then fatally shot.

 
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Did anyone else have any doubt this was going to be the outcome?

Funny, still waiting for the NRA to stand up for this man who was legally carrying. crickets...
I don't see much on how they could come to any other conclusion though. Shooting occurs. Man holding gun in a ready to fire position is in the immediate area, he's not a cop, they react. This is the flaw in the whole "good guy with a gun" argument that has been pointed out all along.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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I don't see much on how they could come to any other conclusion though. Shooting occurs. Man holding gun in a ready to fire position is in the immediate area, he's not a cop, they react. This is the flaw in the whole "good guy with a gun" argument that has been pointed out all along.

All this, plus it happens all in a span of about 5 seconds.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Alabama AG: Hoover police officer justified
“The facts of this case demonstrate that Officer 1 reasonably exercised his official powers, duties, or functions when he shot” Bradford, the report continues.
“Officer 1” and his partner were working on-duty in the Galleria when they heard gunfire from 75 feet away. The two officers encountered Bradford within three seconds. Bradford, the report states, “held a firearm in a ready position.” The two officers charged forward.

Wow, so the officers were in the immediate vicinity of the shooting, witnessed the victims, and an armed man HOLDING a gun running around in front of them. I'm not quite sure what to make of the video yet, but it all happens so very fast - with Bradford shot on the ground within 5-7 seconds of the original shooting. He appeared to be moving towards the officers, sees them, and turns to run the other way, but is then fatally shot.


well now that we have a state AG officially authorizing police officers to shoot any and all "good guys with guns," does this mean a big poo-poo on that tired and ridiculous NRA canard?
 
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dainthomas

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What percentage of people who have accidentally shot someone do you think ‘knew’ they wouldn’t accidentally shoot someone until it actually happened? My guess is that percentage is very large.

The research on this is clear, you’re much more likely to hurt yourself or someone you care about with your gun than you are to save yourself or someone you care about. Those are just the facts. If you think you’re special and can defy the odds okay, but most people think that before they find out the odds are the odds for a reason.

You'd think people on a tech forum would understand science and what it consistently says about gun violence. But certain folks lose their ability to accept evidence-based conclusions when discussing this topic.
 

Vic

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I don't see much on how they could come to any other conclusion though. Shooting occurs. Man holding gun in a ready to fire position is in the immediate area, he's not a cop, they react. This is the flaw in the whole "good guy with a gun" argument that has been pointed out all along.
Yep, the flaw has always been how can you tell apart the good guy from the bad guy in a split second life or death moment?
 

Paratus

Lifer
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All this, plus it happens all in a span of about 5 seconds.

Even ostensibly trained officers being careful make fatal mistakes under pressure, let alone officers/gun owners who think like this meme:
 

fskimospy

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Yep, the flaw has always been how can you tell apart the good guy from the bad guy in a split second life or death moment?

I remember people claiming that the Aurora shooting could have been prevented if a few people in the audience had guns.

Because yeah, the one thing that shooting needed to limit the death toll was more people firing guns off in a dark, crowded, noisy, panicked theater.
 
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