Good news everyone, the dept of agriculture is going to let our kids get fat again!

Caesar

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So it was supposed to be #MAFA and not #MAGA. I also often type G instead of F - they are right next to each other.
 

Humpy

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Good. Schools aren't meant to be restaraunts or health clubs. They're supposed to provide opportunities to meet friends who can steal weed from their parents.
 

HTFOff

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"let our kids get fat again!" - insinuating we cured fatitis

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Feed them leaves and earthworms. Most kids when they get home still have junk food.

Poor/non-existent phys ed. standards and recources for it should be paramount. You can do both.
 

agent00f

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"let our kids get fat again!" - insinuating we cured fatitis

roflcopter

Feed them leaves and earthworms. Most kids when they get home still have junk food.

Poor/non-existent phys ed. standards and recources for it should be paramount. You can do both.

This is a near perfect example of a dumb degenerate post. Makes no sense and proud of it.
 
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Moonbeam

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If your kids get fat it is because of you the parent.

It is none of the governments business.

Kids are fat because of their parents and that is exactly why it is the government's business. Kids don't get to choose who their parents are so it is up to the state to protect them. Kids aren't property, they are a citizens with rights entitled to state protection.
 

pcgeek11

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Kids are fat because of their parents and that is exactly why it is the government's business. Kids don't get to choose who their parents are so it is up to the state to protect them. Kids aren't property, they are a citizens with rights entitled to state protection.

Then the state should remove them from the source of the abuse.
 
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JMC2000

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There is something wrong if the government is feeding your kids. They didn't have to feed mine.

You do know that not everyone is like you and your kids.

Some people do need the government's help to feed their kids, and are able to feed them decent food with that help.

Edit: What is with this idiotic view of "I/my family didn't need government help, so no one else does" that people regurgitate, as if everyone should be middle-class people/families with zero money problems?

Some people have garbage luck, and would rather not make their kids have to suffer because of it; but you have people (usually ones who have never, ever had to truly suffer) who say that those people don't need or shouldn't need government help, yet are first to jump in, saying that the parents should be punished for not being able to afford their kids a basic lifestyle.
 
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pcgeek11

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You do know that not everyone is like you and your kids.

Some people do need the government's help to feed their kids, and are able to feed them decent food with that help.

Yes I do. There are many conditions out there. All I said was there is something wrong if the Government is having to feed your kids. There is, you not being able to feed you kids is something wrong. You have to teach your kids proper eating habits and make then get off the couch.
 

boomerang

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These are trying times for progressives. But worry not. Tom Perez and Maxine Waters will have you controlling the masses in no time.
 
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JMC2000

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Yes I do. There are many conditions out there. All I said was there is something wrong if the Government is having to feed your kids. There is, you not being able to feed you kids is something wrong. You have to teach your kids proper eating habits and make then get off the couch.
Nowhere in my post did I state that having government assistance means that there isn't something wrong.

Anyone with half a brain knows that the assistance is there to help those with something wrong.

My post had to do with you adding in that you didn't need help feeding your kids; together with other responses you've made gives the impression that your stance is one of "I don't/didn't need help, so no one else should either", also known as 'FYGM'.

If that isn't your stance, and not what you intended to convey, then it never should have been added.

As for healthy eating habits and lifestyles, eating actual healthy, decent food plays a major role.
 

Meghan54

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Nowhere in my post did I state that having government assistance means that there isn't something wrong.

Anyone with half a brain knows that the assistance is there to help those with something wrong.

My post had to do with you adding in that you didn't need help feeding your kids; together with other responses you've made gives the impression that your stance is one of "I don't/didn't need help, so no one else should either", also known as 'FYGM'.

If that isn't your stance, and not what you intended to convey, then it never should have been added.

As for healthy eating habits and lifestyles, eating actual healthy, decent food plays a major role.

He's just another paid shit poster who really deserves no consideration or replies, unless you enjoy playing his trolling games like some of his contemporaries do--the other get-paid-to-shit-post trolls.
 
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1prophet

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Kids are fat because of their parents and that is exactly why it is the government's business. Kids don't get to choose who their parents are so it is up to the state to protect them. Kids aren't property, they are a citizens with rights entitled to state protection.

Their parents are the government represented by their elected officials..
 

pauldun170

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Poster A: "The government should not be in the business of maintaining a level of health amongst children as that is a personal responsibility issue!!"
Poster B: "What happens when these kids with health problems grow older and begin tro put a burden on the health care industry?"
Poster A:"Personal responsibility!!! I took responsibility to not have kids. If you can't feed your kid then don't have one."

Poster B: Looking at the data and seeing the impact of childhood obesity and the chronic conditions that follow, how they place a burden on the health care system
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/health-expenditures.htm
http://stateofobesity.org/adult-obesity/
https://nccd.cdc.gov/DHDSPAtlas/?state=State&ol=[10]
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.PCAP

Poster A: "It's not my problem. I haven't had to go to the doctor in years and all those people are lazy. Anecdote anecdote anecdote....personal attack. Probably all liberals or democrats. Betcha not one has a Stem degree. And those statistics were probably written by some BWM SJW!!!"

Poster B: By providing assistance and replacing junk food with healthy alternatives, its proven that children perform better in school

Poster A: Bullshit and they already said that when they introduced healthy foods, the kids wouldn't eat it
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...hy-lunch-program-heres-how-thats-working-out/
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/sunday-review/why-students-hate-school-lunches.html?_r=0

Poster B::http://www.livescience.com/52408-healthy-school-lunch-food-waste.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/04/health/healthier-school-lunch-study/

Poster C: Why don't you two fat asses get off the internet and go outside and do something

Mod: Warning poster C. You can't body shame
 
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Exterous

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http://thehill.com/regulation/healthcare/331148-usda-to-ease-school-meal-standards

We need to let the market decide whether children get hypertension and diabetes or not.

Not everyone has been happy with these regulations and those people aren't restricted to Republicans. Many Democrats including Debbie Stabenow, who chairs the Nutrition committee, have been pushing for extensions and exceptions for years. The effects spread beyond just 'keeping kids from getting fatter.'

Food and nutrition directors at school districts nationwide say that their trash cans are overflowing while their cash register receipts are diminishing as children either toss out the healthier meals or opt to brown-bag it.

meeting these mandates has harmed the financial health of nearly 70% of school meal programs surveyed, with fewer than 3% reporting a financial benefit.

58% of respondents reported that student lunch participation declined under the new standards. Nearly 93% of those respondents cite “decreased student acceptance of meals” as a contributing factor to this decline. Districts with a low percentage of students qualifying for free or reduced-price meals struggle the most with lunch participation; 72% of these districts reported a decline. Nationwide, US Department of Agriculture (USDA) data shows that more than a million fewer students choose school lunch each day under the new rules.

Keep in mind that schools are required to prepare a certain number of meals per day based on school attendance regardless of how many kids actually eat the food. Any decline in food purchases means that there is an increase in prepared food being tossed into the garbage can:

According to USDA, in Fiscal Year 2015 alone, schools must absorb $1.2 billion in added costs as a result of the standards.

Vending machine revenue and 'School store' revenue also took a big hit:

At one typical high school in Montgomery County, for example, vending-machine revenue fell from $21,055 in fiscal 2005 to $4,289 in fiscal 2013, she said.

As for 'changing the palate' and making kids more susceptible to healthy foods studies show that healthy school lunches come too late and can't compete with the unhealthy options offered at home:

Thus, early experiences with nutritious foods and flavor variety may maximize the likelihood that, as children grow, they will choose a healthier diet because they like the tastes and variety of the foods it contains.

In support of this hypothesis, longitudinal studies have shown that food habits established during infancy track into childhood and adolescence (3135) for both nutrient-dense and nutrient-poor foods (34). Such dietary patterns, which begin to be identified during childhood (36), are significant determinants of the quality of the adult diet (37, 38). The most apparent period of change in dietary patterns was evident during early childhood (35), with new foods more likely to be accepted when children are 2–3 y of age compared with older ages (31). After the age of 3–4 y, reported dietary patterns/food habits remained quite stable, further highlighting the importance of getting children on the right track from the initial stages of learning to eat (<3 y) (see also reference 33).

In Addition the Program is not completely reimburisng participating schools:
In October, the School Nutrition Association and the School Superintendents Association wrote a letter to Congress stating that school districts do not receive full reimbursement from the USDA for the increased costs associated with the new school meal standards.

There are various studies that fall on both sides of the argument but most tend to look at localized areas. For example on focuses one Massachusetts schools which seem to be doing a little better under the new program. Another focuses on Title I schools in the Detroit Metro area which have seen significant revenue hits from the program which the can less easily absorb than their Mass. counterparts for no appreciable gain in student health. (DPS had to get an exemption) The USDA and GAO reports do suggest an overall trend though that it is negatively impacting schools for minimal health gain.

There is a study out there that suggests the current program doesn't go far enough to be useful. If stronger and more consistent rules were put in place it could affect how fat people get (2.5-4% less fat) but even then it would do little to prevent them from getting fat in the first place:
strong baseline state laws were associated with within student BMI change and maintenance of overweight/obesity but not with incidence of overweight/obesity.

So this is more of an argument about 'Accepting increased food waste, increased tax dollars spent and decreased school revenue for minimal overall health gains' than letting our kids get fat. Our kids were getting fat anyway

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/04/health/healthier-school-lunch-study/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927698/
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/sunday-review/why-students-hate-school-lunches.html
https://schoolnutrition.org/PressReleases/CostsofNutritionStandardsThreatenSchoolMealPrograms/
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2012/08/08/peds.2011-3353.full.pdf
 

pcgeek11

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He's just another paid shit poster who really deserves no consideration or replies, unless you enjoy playing his trolling games like some of his contemporaries do--the other get-paid-to-shit-post trolls.

I wish I were being paid.

You are just ignorant and know nothing about me.
 
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