Nowhere in my post did I state that having government assistance means that there isn't something wrong.
Anyone with half a brain knows that the assistance is there to help those with something wrong.
My post had to do with you adding in that you didn't need help feeding your kids; together with other responses you've made gives the impression that your stance is one of "I don't/didn't need help, so no one else should either", also known as 'FYGM'.
If that isn't your stance, and not what you intended to convey, then it never should have been added.
As for healthy eating habits and lifestyles, eating actual healthy, decent food plays a major role.
You idiot. Those kids throw out or avoid the good food because of their parents. In my conservative household we practiced dicipline and parental respect. You fucking ate what was put on your plate. That's how I grew up to be a real man, hating all foods the same. I eat what's good for me now. Why not, everything tastes like shit. Life isn't about getting what you want, you panzy liberal wimp, it's about duty to stay off socialized medicine as long as you can.And onward it goes. Read the post by Exterous above...
Sure, but first we'd have to brainwash our kids into believing they's been raised in that more health-conscious culture, or else, as noted, the food goes into the garbage and the kids go home and binge on convenience foods.We should just copy what other, smarter, countries do. What does Sweden feed its school kids? Is it chicken nuggets and pizza?
Lol. So everyone is born into ideal situations with perfect parents who have perfect amounts of money and also perfect weights and nutritional habits. Agreed. If a child gets a less than ideal parent, it's his own fault for choosing poorly.There is something wrong if the government is feeding your kids. They didn't have to feed mine.
It's more about control than results. None of what you've said matters to the proggies, if the food is thrown out uneaten that doesn't matter either. Progressives like to be in control of things because they've been raised to believe that they think the best. They've learned early on that simply sharing their thoughts and visions just led to less than optimal results. Too many didn't listen, didn't follow their advice. So their only course of action is to rule by force. It's not something they necessarily want to do mind you (wink, wink) but it sure as shit is something that needs to be done. If people aren't smart enough to listen to them, they are going to have to be persuaded one way or another.I haven't seen any evidence that the new school lunch standards were successful in the first place. The science of nutrition is in flux, for example, all that low-fat, saturated-fat-is-the-devil garbage advice they've been forcing on us for over a generation has probably fueled an increase of Type 2 diabetes. Even low-sodium has in at least one study been shown to increase cardiac risk, not lower it. So dictating what kids eat can be a tricky thing, especially when the goalposts are always moving.
I haven't seen any evidence that the new school lunch standards were successful in the first place. The science of nutrition is in flux, for example, all that low-fat, saturated-fat-is-the-devil garbage advice they've been forcing on us for over a generation has probably fueled an increase of Type 2 diabetes. Even low-sodium has in at least one study been shown to increase cardiac risk, not lower it. So dictating what kids eat can be a tricky thing, especially when the goalposts are always moving.
Lol. So everyone is born into ideal situations with perfect parents who have perfect amounts of money and also perfect weights and nutritional habits. Agreed. If a child gets a less than ideal parent, it's his own fault for choosing poorly.
I think there is plenty of information out there that will corroborate my assertions, if any readers care enough to look. Essentially reducing fat led to a drastic increase in refined carb consumption, this turned out to be a disastrous outcome.I would be interested to see the studies that indicate a diet that aims for low fat consumption and avoiding trans/saturated fats leads to the onset of type 2 diabetes. Did they find that regulating fat intake was its self the cause, or that subjects when controlling their fat intake turned to other bad eating habits, such as increasing their sugar intake ? You want to moderate your fat intake firstly because fats are very dense in calories. You want to avoid trans and saturated fats because they increase your cholesterol levels and put you at risk of cardiac disease, there is a large amount of evidence supporting this. You do not want to avoid fat altogether. The best way to approach fats are avoiding the solid fats like lard, butter and margarine.
Even this advice has come under question, it's highly dependent on individual physiology and not "one size fits all" advice.Context is important. If you have hypertension lowering your sodium intake is advisable.
We agree 100%, the devil is in the details, as they say.America has an obesity epidemic. I believe it is the 2nd 'fattest' country in the world next to Mexico. Bad eating habits are often developed in childhood and carried forward into adulthood. There is a childhood obesity epidemic. Children should not be developing type-2 diabetes due to their dietary habits.
Do you really think I'm saying it's wrong for schools to encourage "proper" eating habits? C'mon, don't do that. The problem is that we've been misled before, the advice given has been tainted or proven wrong. The difficulty with the government dispensing this kind of advice is that they move too slowly to stay on top of current trends and the latest science. It's a real problem.What the hell is wrong with schools encouraging proper eating habits ? Schools are meant to educate young people. Learning to live a healthy lifestyle via giving the example of healthy food is not a valid form of education ? This would be something any good Conservative would want. It will save money long term on healthcare via the children who pick up on the importance of eating well not growing up to become unnecessarily diseased from living a poor lifestyle.
I think there is plenty of information out there that will corroborate my assertions, if any readers care enough to look. Essentially reducing fat led to a drastic increase in refined carb consumption, this turned out to be a disastrous outcome.
Even this advice has come under question, it's highly dependent on individual physiology and not "one size fits all" advice.
We agree 100%, the devil is in the details, as they say.
Do you really think I'm saying it's wrong for schools to encourage "proper" eating habits? C'mon, don't do that. The problem is that we've been misled before, the advice given has been tainted or proven wrong. The difficulty with the government dispensing this kind of advice is that they move too slowly to stay on top of current trends and the latest science. It's a real problem.
America has an obesity epidemic. I believe it is the 2nd 'fattest' country in the world next to Mexico. Bad eating habits are often developed in childhood and carried forward into adulthood. There is a childhood obesity epidemic. Children should not be developing type-2 diabetes due to their dietary habits.
What the hell is wrong with schools encouraging proper eating habits ? Schools are meant to educate young people. Learning to live a healthy lifestyle via giving the example of healthy food is not a valid form of education ? This would be something any good Conservative would want. It will save money long term on healthcare via the children who pick up on the importance of eating well not growing up to become unnecessarily diseased from living a poor lifestyle.
@Grooveriding , maybe I didn't ask you nicely enough not to put words in my mouth, but since you insist on continuing with this practice, it's obvious you prefer arguing with a caricature of your own creation rather than me specifically. That's unfortunate. I suppose as a self-declared member of a "tribe" that you possibly view me as disparaging, it's understandable that you would be defensive. I'm sorry about that.
Okay, I'll be more specific about why I don't think it's useful to continue. it was this ridiculous statement that made it clear that you are either not reading my posts, or are willfully misconstruing them:I'm not sure where you meant to go with this post. I asked you to clarify your position and share where you are getting information that is leading you to believe our understanding of diet and how it effects the body is up in the air to such a degree it can't safely be used to inform decisions on diet. Or that our understanding of how certain foods can promote disease is suspect and 'in flux'.
No need for this circular post if you'd rather just back off from your position rather than explain how you reached it.
Seriously, that's just insulting. Move on.Do you think there is going to be an imminent finding that consuming large amounts of trans fats and sugars actually promotes good heart health and prevents diabetes ?
Okay, I'll be more specific about why I don't think it's useful to continue. it was this ridiculous statement that made it clear that you are either not reading my posts, or are willfully misconstruing them:
Seriously, that's just insulting. Move on.
This is so true. I, for example, would love to control your breathing. I would make sure your air was always fresh and clean.It's more about control than results. None of what you've said matters to the proggies, if the food is thrown out uneaten that doesn't matter either. Progressives like to be in control of things because they've been raised to believe that they think the best. They've learned early on that simply sharing their thoughts and visions just led to less than optimal results. Too many didn't listen, didn't follow their advice. So their only course of action is to rule by force. It's not something they necessarily want to do mind you (wink, wink) but it sure as shit is something that needs to be done. If people aren't smart enough to listen to them, they are going to have to be persuaded one way or another.
Utopia doesn't just happen, it must be carefully planned and implemented. Everybody must fall within a tight range of criteria and so far with this bunch, eye color other than blue is A-OK.
These same people are now flummoxed and very angry because they've lost a lot of elections. Those jackboots may have been placed a bit too firmly on our necks. Best of luck to anyone trying to convince them of that though.
Okay... There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that nutrition is the most neglected subject in medical school. Studies have been influenced by corporate interests, most notably the sugar industry. There's plenty of evidence that amongst people on the obesity/metabolic syndrome/type2 continuum, carb intolerance is a real thing. For these people, it's eventually going to become obvious that "moderating" sugar is like asking them to moderate cyanide. You don't moderate something that your body can't handle. It's tragic that so much of the questionable nutritional advice is so persistent, but it can't be denied that "a calorie is a calorie" and "everything in moderation" sound very reasonable and intuitive, unfortunately they're just not true for a great number of people with dysfunctional metabolisms.Wasn't meant to be insulting. It was a way of highlighting that moderating fat and sugar intake is sound. No sense in being overly sensitive and thinking you were being insulted.
Sure, but first we'd have to brainwash our kids into believing they's been raised in that more health-conscious culture, or else, as noted, the food goes into the garbage and the kids go home and binge on convenience foods.
It's more about control than results. None of what you've said matters to the proggies, if the food is thrown out uneaten that doesn't matter either. Progressives like to be in control of things because they've been raised to believe that they think the best. They've learned early on that simply sharing their thoughts and visions just led to less than optimal results. Too many didn't listen, didn't follow their advice. So their only course of action is to rule by force. It's not something they necessarily want to do mind you (wink, wink) but it sure as shit is something that needs to be done. If people aren't smart enough to listen to them, they are going to have to be persuaded one way or another.
Utopia doesn't just happen, it must be carefully planned and implemented. Everybody must fall within a tight range of criteria and so far with this bunch, eye color other than blue is A-OK.
These same people are now flummoxed and very angry because they've lost a lot of elections. Those jackboots may have been placed a bit too firmly on our necks. Best of luck to anyone trying to convince them of that though.
Do you have anything to contribute other than improperly spelled insults? I thought not.This is basically the same argument as:
"we can't know anything about evolution/climate/science so we can't teach it in school, or have any gubmint libtard school anyway cus I obviously aint learn shit from it" --dumbshit degnerates
Kids are fat because of their parents and that is exactly why it is the government's business. Kids don't get to choose who their parents are so it is up to the state to protect them. Kids aren't property, they are a citizens with rights entitled to state protection.
Do you have anything to contribute other than improperly spelled insults? I thought not.
I haven't seen any evidence that the new school lunch standards were successful in the first place. The science of nutrition is in flux, for example, all that low-fat, saturated-fat-is-the-devil garbage advice they've been forcing on us for over a generation has probably fueled an increase of Type 2 diabetes. Even low-sodium has in at least one study been shown to increase cardiac risk, not lower it. So dictating what kids eat can be a tricky thing, especially when the goalposts are always moving.
"we can't know anything about evolution/climate/science so we can't teach it in school, or have any gubmint libtard school anyway cus I obviously aint learn shit from it"