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VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
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Man, I so miss those awesome sausage, mozzarella and white cheddar rectangular pizzas served for lunch back in middle school. Nowhere near as greasy, and tasted 100x better than the hexagonal ones that were topped with orange 'cheese'.
I think my middle school had those too. They were definitely worth it to me.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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It's okay to kill your kid prior to birth, but if you let him eat a little bit of junk food it's a crisis and big government needs to step in.
Those are the facts yes, but naturally you have presented them to yourself improperly. As a male you would never be OK with killing your own child at any time. Abortion is legal for women and therefore isn't killing. The state has determined that women have the same rights to make what you think is a bad choice just as kids aren't force fed healthy food. You never look at the fact that your views of good and evil are just your opinion, how you were programmed. To determine the state you wish for your body is more fundamental than the right to life. You can't take body rights away from anybody. A fetus has no rights over those of the mother. You can't be forced to pick up hitch hikers not give blood to a dying patient, but you want women to do that for your moral opinions. Your moral opinions only apply to you.
 

crashtech

Lifer
Jan 4, 2013
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Before you play any more at this role of honest person let me remind everyone of couple things.
This is not a role for me. I'm known for being direct and matter-of-fact. If I unintentionally say something that isn't true, I'm fine with being held accountable. I'd be fun if you would actually present any facts that were remotely relevant to this thread. I don't have all day.

First I recall you proclaiming to be some kind of independent,
I must admit, I found this quite touching. You've made an accurate characterization! Kudos!

...yet you're here parroting the same lines the other degens. Second you were trying to appear concerned about trolling & such, yet felt obliged to cover for someone like Chiropteran. So think careful about what you pretend to because it has consequences on your credibility.
I only speak for myself, and if you hear what you think is "parroting," it might be because your single-minded purpose is to identify and damage those you consider enemies. I think you might be missing out on many an interesting exchange by doing this, but hey, it's your life. Consider the S/N ratio of this thread, though, we aren't contributing significantly, yet I don't feel like I can just leave your relentless and baseless charges unanswered.

Concerning diet/food, it's a simple matter of observation that your generic talking points against mainstream science here are literally the same as your pals use for whatever other field whose findings they find inconvenient. Just know that everyone else can see this isn't a coincidence no matter how much you pretend otherwise.
Like many young people, you seem to have trouble with the actual meaning of the word "literally." But so what, even if the words matched but two totally different subjects were being discussed, inferring my veracity based on this alone is frankly just stupid, more of your monomaniacal need to categorize your enemies and attack them.
 

crashtech

Lifer
Jan 4, 2013
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I haven't found any quality third-party studies that have measured the effect of the new standards on kid's overall health and obesity rate.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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I really wish parents would do their fucking job instead of expecting the government to raise their kids.
 

Sunburn74

Diamond Member
Oct 5, 2009
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I really wish parents would do their fucking job instead of expecting the government to raise their kids.
Having your kids eat at school is not having the government raising them.

Similarly, having a bus pick your kids up and drive them to school is not having the government raise them either. They are just simple services schools are expected to offer these days and therefore should meet some minimal standard of competency in doing so.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
Jun 19, 2004
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Should the government and schools not be held accountable for the quality of services they provide using our tax dollars?
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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If kids aren't going to learn good eating habits outside of school, then teaching them about it is required.
 

JMC2000

Senior member
Jun 8, 2006
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I really wish parents would do their fucking job instead of expecting the government to raise their kids.
While some parents don't care what their children eat, there are a lot that do care, but can't afford better food.

It would be exceptionally easy to feed kids wholesome, nutritional food if the grocery stores weren't packed full of cheap, processed garbage.

If you've ever truly been poor, you'd know that you will catch hell trying to buy good food without going broke.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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If kids aren't going to learn good eating habits outside of school, then teaching them about it is required.
Foreigner curiosity here: don't American schools already have that? It was part of mandatory education in the British state school I went to >20 years ago.
 

JMC2000

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Jun 8, 2006
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Foreigner curiosity here: don't American schools already have that? It was part of mandatory education in the British state school I went to >20 years ago.
Back when I was in school, the only 'dietary education' we received came via the cafeteria and vending machines.

I don't think most schools started with childrens' health concerns until the early 2000s.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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While some parents don't care what their children eat, there are a lot that do care, but can't afford better food.

It would be exceptionally easy to feed kids wholesome, nutritional food if the grocery stores weren't packed full of cheap, processed garbage.

If you've ever truly been poor, you'd know that you will catch hell trying to buy good food without going broke.

My mother raised 4 kids on 50 dollars a week ( we were poor ) and she still managed to feed us good food. I mean you actually had to cook then, which many parents are too lazy to do these days.

The stores also stock good cheap food too.... It just isn't prepared already. Just because they have lots of junk doesn't mean you have to buy it.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Foreigner curiosity here: don't American schools already have that? It was part of mandatory education in the British state school I went to >20 years ago.
Not in the schools I went to.

Edit, and yeah it was 20 years ago for me. How time flies
 

JMC2000

Senior member
Jun 8, 2006
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My mother raised 4 kids on 50 dollars a week ( we were poor ) and she still managed to feed us good food. I mean you actually had to cook then, which many parents are too lazy to do these days.

The stores also stock good cheap food too.... It just isn't prepared already. Just because they have lots of junk doesn't mean you have to buy it.
That's one problem, some people either don't know how to cook (I'm deadly serious here), don't have time to cook good food, or are just lazy.

When I was younger, that's what mainly everyone I knew did, cooked meals at home.

Problem is, times are (sadly) different, and for some people, pre-packaged foods and/or fast food are purchased and consumed just because of their convenience.

I'm glad that my mother taught all 4 of us how to cook, because waiting until 2-3am to eat is nothing good.
 

Sunburn74

Diamond Member
Oct 5, 2009
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Should the government and schools not be held accountable for the quality of services they provide using our tax dollars?
According to the GOP and their various yes men on this forum, apparently not.
My mother raised 4 kids on 50 dollars a week ( we were poor ) and she still managed to feed us good food. I mean you actually had to cook then, which many parents are too lazy to do these days.

The stores also stock good cheap food too.... It just isn't prepared already. Just because they have lots of junk doesn't mean you have to buy it.
Wow how insulting. Times have changed a lot. Perhaps when you were a kid your parents had time to prepare breakfast and lunch for multiple children 5 days of the week. Parents today more than ever however are working 2 jobs just to pay the rent due to stagnant wages and rising cost of living in most cities. That time just really isn't there. Heck, I grew up with 3 other siblings and just my mom. My father was in another country for various reasons. My mom's job involved working 6pm to 7am. For meals during the week we were pretty much dependent on school lunch for breakfast and for lunch and my mom always left money for us to do so. Dinner she would prepare. I guess she was a lazy mother by your standards right.

By the way the US obesity epidemic has nothing to do with whether you can cook or not. It has to to with what types of food you are choosing to cook and eat. Mexico is the most obese country in the world and fast food really is the an issue there. India has amongst the highest and worst rates of diabetes and cardiovascular disease despite having only a minor fast food presence (fast food there is only for extremely special occasions). The same is true of US adult obesity. It would shock you the amount to of "cooked" food obese people eat at dinner because they have little idea that cultural norms for US portion sizes are no where close to recommended sizes. Most people don't know that the recommended amount of meat on a plate (any type) is about the size of a deck of cards. Or that half your plate should be vegetables. And so on and so on.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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That's one problem, some people either don't know how to cook (I'm deadly serious here), don't have time to cook good food, or are just lazy.

When I was younger, that's what mainly everyone I knew did, cooked meals at home.

Problem is, times are (sadly) different, and for some people, pre-packaged foods and/or fast food are purchased and consumed just because of their convenience.

I'm glad that my mother taught all 4 of us how to cook, because waiting until 2-3am to eat is nothing good.
See Sunburns post.

People are buying food due to convenience due to time constraints. Life isn't like it was even 20 years ago. It's rare to find middle class or below in a situation where there's one working parent.
 
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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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So what? Because results matter? Science matters? Are you seriously not curious in the least to see if it's even working?

Better food is better food but we are only talking about less than 25% of the meals these kids eat a week. I doubt it makes a significant enough difference to be something you are going to find a significant result in a study.

I would argue if the food being paid for by the government is nutritionally superior to what came before it then the rules are a success. 'Fixing' obesity will take a hell of a lot more than school lunch guidelines.
 

crashtech

Lifer
Jan 4, 2013
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Lots of nutritious foods can be prepared inexpensively and in relatively short order using simple methods, but over the decades since the introduction of first canned, then frozen prepared foods, the market has seized the opportunity to introduce a multitude of various ready-to-eat foods, completely relieving us of the need for food preparation. Now as a nation we are well conditioned to expect this kind of convenience. It's a case of getting what we wanted being the opposite of what we needed.
 
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crashtech

Lifer
Jan 4, 2013
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Better food is better food but we are only talking about less than 25% of the meals these kids eat a week. I doubt it makes a significant enough difference to be something you are going to find a significant result in a study.

I would argue if the food being paid for by the government is nutritionally superior to what came before it then the rules are a success. 'Fixing' obesity will take a hell of a lot more than school lunch guidelines.
I guess what I am driving at is that if the results aren't measurable, the whole argument over the program is moot. In that case we should try something different, like more/better nutritional education that hopefully takes the latest science into account.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I guess what I am driving at is that if the results aren't measurable, the whole argument over the program is moot. In that case we should try something different, like more/better nutritional education that hopefully takes the latest science into account.

More needs to be done not less. This policy change is moving in the direction of doing less and undoing the direct step the government can do to improve the situation for 5 out of 21 meals each week. If you really to do something about the problem you keep this policy in place and then look for the next steps that can be taken to help address those other 16 meals a week.
 
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