Good Twitter thread on the horror of "concentration camps" and the applicability of that term to migrants being detained at the Southern border

[UNCjigga]

Maybe you should tell us what luxury accommodations are appropriate for economic refugees? Should we put the tens of thousands of them up at the Ritz Carlton? A nice comfy leather armchair while they wait? A nice mint on their pillow before a snifter of brandy for a nightcap?

Strawman says what?

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe you should tell us what luxury accommodations are appropriate for economic refugees? Should we put the tens of thousands of them up at the Ritz Carlton? A nice comfy leather armchair while they wait? A nice mint on their pillow before a snifter of brandy for a nightcap?

Maybe if we didn't put them in camps to isolate them they'd get work & take care of themselves. What a concept, huh?

If we did that, they'd eventually intermarry & pollute our pure Aryan bloodlines. The Horror!

 

[blackangst1]

Why not just slap a GPS ankle bracelet on them (similar to what’s done with some parolees) and release them on their own recognizance? Shift the burden of their care off of taxpayers and onto their family members (I think I read somewhere that a large percentage of asylum seekers have family here already) or onto non-profits/churches funded by donors. A vast majority of the detainees have no criminal record...so why detain them indefinitely in the first place? Let them wait for their court dates outside a detention center.

Why should we allow them to roam free in this country when legal immigrants must submit to background checks (in their home country as well) as well as comprehensive medical exams (paid for by the immigrants)? Do you even know what legal immigrants go through to get here?

 

[glenn1]

Why should we allow them to roam free in this country when legal immigrants must submit to background checks (in their home country as well) as well as comprehensive medical exams (paid for by the immigrants)? Do you even know what legal immigrants go through to get here?

They know and don't care. It's all about "helping the little guy" (which they see the illegals as instead of economic refugees) and people who obey rules are chumps. They'd much rather have the people who sneak in versus those who go through background checks to be vetted as legal immigrants as the later won't feel dependent on them like the illegals would.

 

[fskimospy]

AOC just got hammered for her concntration camp remark.

To my severe disappointment I just watched that video and I feel so much dumber now. I should have known better than to look at anything made by Glenn Beck, hahaha.

1) The guy spends almost half of the video complaining about the furnishings in AOC's apartment. This is not a joke, he actually does this.
2) He also complains about her intemperate rhetoric. Yes, a Trump supporter is complaining about this.
3) The host is so fucking stupid he thinks that because conditions are better in these concentration camps than they were in Nazi concentration camps that somehow they aren't... you know... concentration camps. (he should look up the dictionary definition)
4) Because of this he tells her that she better think twice before comparing anything in America to a concentration camp. He does this because he apparently doesn't realize that Japanese internment camps in the US (where conditions were much nicer than Auschwitz!) were referred to by FDR, the person who made them, AS CONCENTRATION CAMPS.

http://www.pbs.org/childofcamp/history/index.html

I love it when stupid people try to correct people smarter than them and then only show their own stupidity. Seriously man you need to get away from conservative media. That shit will rot your brain. In short, AOC is 100% right, simply by the dictionary definition of the term. If conservatives don't like that, maybe they should change their policies.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why should we allow them to roam free in this country when legal immigrants must submit to background checks (in their home country as well) as well as comprehensive medical exams (paid for by the immigrants)? Do you even know what legal immigrants go through to get here?

So what? We can go with concentration camps or something else. Pick one.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Maybe you should tell us what luxury accommodations are appropriate for economic refugees? Should we put the tens of thousands of them up at the Ritz Carlton? A nice comfy leather armchair while they wait? A nice mint on their pillow before a snifter of brandy for a nightcap?

Taking away their children, losing them, imprisoning them, every shitty thing this admin has done has done NOTHING to serve as a deterrent. It doesn't work. They have demonstrated clearly that it doesn't work through this total and utter failure of policy. They've managed to INCREASE the flow by also attacking the origin countries and suspending aid and other support that helps to slow down the flow of migrants.

So yeah, maybe doing something a little different and, god forbid, humane might have a different effect.

 

[glenn1]

So what? We can go with concentration camps or something else. Pick one.

Thanks for so quickly proving my "they know but don't care" statement from earlier.

 

[Jhhnn]

They know and don't care. It's all about "helping the little guy" (which they see the illegals as instead of economic refugees) and people who obey rules are chumps. They'd much rather have the people who sneak in versus those who go through background checks to be vetted as legal immigrants as the later won't feel dependent on them like the illegals would.

Asylum seekers don't sneak in. Try again.

 

[fskimospy]

Why should we allow them to roam free in this country when legal immigrants must submit to background checks (in their home country as well) as well as comprehensive medical exams (paid for by the immigrants)? Do you even know what legal immigrants go through to get here?

Can you explain why holding them in concentration camps is a better solution? I would love to know why the massive taxpayer expense and human suffering here is preferable just because legal immigrants have to have background checks.

 

[sandorski]

Somehow the US survived decades without such Camps.....

 

[UNCjigga]

Why should we allow them to roam free in this country when legal immigrants must submit to background checks (in their home country as well) as well as comprehensive medical exams (paid for by the immigrants)? Do you even know what legal immigrants go through to get here?

Considering I’m a legal immigrant myself, yes I do.

You realize we’re talking about asylum seekers, yes? Or are you so anti-immigrant that you don’t recognize asylum as legal? I’m not saying you don’t vet them. You still detain them when they first arrive while you’re confirming their criminal history/lack thereof, actual relationship to claimed family members, whether their claim has merit to be heard by a judge, etc.

If you’re thinking of illegal immigrants sneaking across the border, I’m all for rounding them up and deporting them to their country of origin.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Why should we allow them to roam free in this country when legal immigrants must submit to background checks (in their home country as well) as well as comprehensive medical exams (paid for by the immigrants)? Do you even know what legal immigrants go through to get here?

Maybe the problem is that legal immigrants go through to much, lower that bar and we will solve the problem of illegal immigrants.

 

[UNCjigga]

They know and don't care. It's all about "helping the little guy" (which they see the illegals as instead of economic refugees) and people who obey rules are chumps. They'd much rather have the people who sneak in versus those who go through background checks to be vetted as legal immigrants as the later won't feel dependent on them like the illegals would.

Another guy who thinks asylum = illegal

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe the problem is that legal immigrants go through to much, lower that bar and we will solve the problem of illegal immigrants.

This is another good point. On what planet do we use our insane and stupidly restrictive legal immigration system as a justification for an insane and stupidly restrictive asylum system? The real answer of course is MASSIVE increases to legal immigration across the board. Conservatives don't want that either though.

Their rhetoric is always 'I'm FOR legal immigration, just against illegal immigration!' Then when you say 'okay, let's make legal immigration way easier then' they freak out.

 

[blackangst1]

Somehow the US survived decades without such Camps.....

Nice revisionist history

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/...rgest-immigration-detention-center-in-us.html

While Mr. Obama has offered protection from deportation and work permits to millions of unauthorized immigrants, he has also ordered efforts to reinforce the southwest border to prevent a new surge of illegal immigration. The 50-acre center in Dilley, 85 miles northeast of Laredo, will hold up to 2,400 migrants who have illegally crossed the border and is especially designed to hold women and their children.

 

[feralkid]

More like I know they will and do.

And there you have it, folks; full throated admission of utter ignorance.

 

[glenn1]

This is another good point. On what planet do we use our insane and stupidly restrictive legal immigration system as a justification for an insane and stupidly restrictive asylum system? The real answer of course is MASSIVE increases to legal immigration across the board. Conservatives don't want that either though.

Their rhetoric is always 'I'm FOR legal immigration, just against illegal immigration!' Then when you say 'okay, let's make legal immigration way easier then' they freak out.

Increasing legal immigration would likewise involve the left admitting things it would prefer to ignore, like the fact that increased immigration should still primarily exclude those who are primarily economic refugees with few/zero marketable job skills. Which represents the bulk of "asylum" seekers. If anything the people in these camps are exactly the kind of people who we still should not give preference to even if we massively raised legal immigration quotas.

 

[blackangst1]

You idiots dont realize our current procedures for handling border crossers hasnt changed for almost 10 years. Minus the 2 month Trump separated accompanied children last year.

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...n-arriving-border-laws-policies-and-responses

 

[fskimospy]

Increasing legal immigration would likewise involve the left admitting things it would prefer to ignore, like the fact that increased immigration should still primarily exclude those who are primarily economic refugees with few/zero marketable job skills. Which represents the bulk of "asylum" seekers. If anything the people in these camps are exactly the kind of people who we still should not give preference to even if we massively raised legal immigration quotas.

There is huge demand in the US for unskilled labor that is currently largely supplied by illegal immigrants and even then we don't have enough. We should absolutely not exclude them because we needs lots of them.

 

[glenn1]

There is huge demand in the US for unskilled labor that is currently largely supplied by illegal immigrants and even then we don't have enough. We should absolutely not exclude them because we needs lots of them.

We don't have enough because the demand from employers is high because illegals aren't paid legal wages. No employer would hire an illegal if they needed to pay the same wage as a legal resident. Besides, I thought the entire progressive argument was that "if employers can't find workers then they''re not paying enough"?

 

[fskimospy]

You idiots dont realize our current procedures for handling border crossers hasnt changed for almost 10 years. Minus the 2 month Trump separated accompanied children last year.

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...n-arriving-border-laws-policies-and-responses

Interesting. I'm just going to leave this here:

https://thehill.com/latino/437830-trump-has-pushed-to-resume-child-separations-for-months-report

Trump's renewed push for family separations led to Nielsen's ouster: report

 

[dainthomas]

Why not just slap a GPS ankle bracelet on them (similar to what’s done with some parolees) and release them on their own recognizance? Shift the burden of their care off of taxpayers and onto their family members (I think I read somewhere that a large percentage of asylum seekers have family here already) or onto non-profits/churches funded by donors. A vast majority of the detainees have no criminal record...so why detain them indefinitely in the first place? Let them wait for their court dates outside a detention center.

How are government contractors and family of cabinet members supposed to make piles of cash off them if we do that?

 

[zinfamous]

Yes, those poor Guatemalans fleeing the horrors of not being able to make more money in the U.S. are certainly just like the Jews. Especially the part where they fled a country thousands of miles away to wind up in a concentration camp in Poland.

Again, wholly dismissing or completely ignorant of the reason these migrants are actually coming into the US for the last several decades now. It IS NOT about work. It simply fucking isn't.

 

[zinfamous]

AOC just got hammered for her concntration camp remark.

No she didn't.