Good Twitter thread on the horror of "concentration camps" and the applicability of that term to migrants being detained at the Southern border

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fskimospy

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So far, I provided two valid links from well know news sources about how sovereign countries would handle ILLEGALS. And you guys have??????

How about you do the same? Let see any country on Earth would do "catch and release" with ILLEGALS? Deal?

As K1052 pointed out, your own article on Canada says they do exactly that. Lol.

She entered the country last summer without immigration papers, yet received a work permit, a monthly stipend of 600 Canadian dollars, or $480, free health care and free French lessons. The weather has become bone-cold chilly but her Canadian neighbors are warm.

This was literally the second paragraph in your article where they describe exactly the 'catch and release' you claim doesn't exist. Congratulations on owning yourself.

Once again though, I'm going to ask that if you have strong feelings about immigration that you actually understand immigration law. They are not illegal as their cases have not been adjudicated. Will you acknowledge your error and correct this in the future?
 

fskimospy

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The conservative position on immigration is now that until we get all 5 independently wealthy Norwegian geniuses we should not welcome anybody else into America who might actually want to come here.

It's always funny to see the conservative two-step on immigration where they claim to only be against illegal immigration but then adamantly oppose any attempt to make legal immigration easier.
 
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Svnla

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As K1052 pointed out, your own article on Canada says they do exactly that. Lol.



This was literally the second paragraph in your article where they describe exactly the 'catch and release' you claim doesn't exist. Congratulations on owning yourself.

Once again though, I'm going to ask that if you have strong feelings about immigration that you actually understand immigration law. They are not illegal as their cases have not been adjudicated. Will you acknowledge your error and correct this in the future?

Nope. They didn't. Not anymore. See the parts that I quoted from the Canadian official? I even Highlighted and BOLDED. But no fit on agenda. No care. Here it is again.

We don’t want people to illegally enter our border, and doing so is not a free ticket to Canada,” Mr. Hussen said in an interview. “We are saying, ‘You will be apprehended, screened, detained, fingerprinted, and if you can’t establish a genuine claim, you will be denied refugee protection and removed.’

Catch and release you said? Keep spinning..... LOL.

Still waiting for links..................still waiting................st....illl...............LOL.
 
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fskimospy

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Nope. They didn't. Not anymore. See the parts that I quoted from the Canadian official? I even Highlighted and BOLDED. But no fit on agenda. No care.

Still waiting for links..................still waiting...LOL.

Here's a link that shows that they do catch and release. It might be familiar to you, although it might not be considering that you clearly didn't read it the first time you posted it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/world/canada/quebec-immigrants-haitians.html

You got owned by your OWN LINK. Hahaha. It's amazing to me when people like you are too stupid to read or understand the links they pose as evidence and then when confronted with their own stupidity decide to lie about the contents of their articles. Canada was reconsidering a particular policy in regards to Hatian immigrants coming from the US specifically, but in no way does that mean they don't do 'catch and release' for people claiming asylum, just like the US does.

From Canada's own website on asylum claims:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...7/03/claiming_asylum_incanadawhathappens.html

If the claim is determined to be eligible, it will be referred to the Refugee Protection Division of the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada (IRB) for a hearing. In most cases, the foreign national will be released on terms and conditions while they await their hearing.

Once an individual has been determined to be eligible to make a claim in Canada, as a refugee claimant they may have access to social assistance, education, health services, emergency housing and legal aid while a decision is pending on their claim. In addition, most individuals found to be eligible to make a refugee claim can apply for a work permit once they have undergone a medical examination. It does not matter if the claim was made at the border or at an inland office.

Note it says 'eligible', not that asylum is 'granted'. Just like in the US if you have grounds to make an asylum claim you are 'caught and released' into the country while awaiting a decision. You even get work permits and welfare!

You're embarrassing yourself. If you have a brain in your head you will admit you were wrong and stop now. I strongly suspect you will not do this.
 

glenn1

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From Canada's own website on asylum claims:

Note it says 'eligible', not that asylum is 'granted'. Just like in the US if you have grounds to make an asylum claim you are 'caught and released' into the country while awaiting a decision. You even get work permits and welfare!

You're embarrassing yourself. If you have a brain in your head you will admit you were wrong and stop now. I strongly suspect you will not do this.

Great, let's ship all the U.S. welfare recipients up to Canada and throw them over the border with an asylum claim and let them pay for them. Not that any of them will actually take advantage of the work permits, but still.
 

glenn1

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And for the southern border arrivals, take the money we would have spent on walls and build one of those wildlife crossing tunnels with its terminus in Canada. The asylum seekers can pass straight from the Rio Grande into Alberta while being kept away from the rest of the U.S.

 

dainthomas

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You can call it a death camp for all I care. Fact remains the residents of said camp should remain there until they’re deported or ruled eligible to stay.

Even though refugee applicants with monitors have something north of a 97% appearance rate at their hearings. As long as the for-profit prison scum get to make boatloads of money.

Funny how three years ago conservatives were saying Trump would grow into the presidency. And now they're arguing that his concentration camps aren't actual extermination camps. So things seem to be going pretty well.
 
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fskimospy

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Great, let's ship all the U.S. welfare recipients up to Canada and throw them over the border with an asylum claim and let them pay for them. Not that any of them will actually take advantage of the work permits, but still.

Nah, we won’t be doing that.

Also, you need to decide whether you’re going with the argument that immigrants are taking away those low wage jobs that Americans would do otherwise or if they are all lazy people who don’t work. You can’t really have both.

Come on Glenn, I know you’re not going to get any less racist but you could at least keep your racism consistent. Have some pride in yourself!
 

Jhhnn

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I think the discussion needs to be about how to solve the problems in the home countries of the refugees. We have the power to help solve the problem, especially since our war on drugs is such a huge part of funneling money to the corrupt governments and cartels, allowing those places to be so shitty that people have to flee. It doesn't matter how many people we take in...if that's all we're going to do then we're just reduced to slinging insults over whether we should use a bandaid on the broken rib and how big should the bandaid be.

You are absolutely correct.
 

K1052

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You are absolutely correct.

This is way to rational for conservatives. They'd nuke Central America before trying this now while insisting that these circumstances came about in a vacuum with no American responsibility.
 

DarthKyrie

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@Svnla do you agree asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants?

Seeking asylum in the US is illegal if you cross thru another country to seek asylum, according to the GOP. Now if you were to swim here that's a different story. People should be able to seek asylum at all U.S. Embassies and Consulates throughout the world as well as at our borders.
 
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??? What are you talking about? So you are saying all who cross the border illegally are asylum seekers? That's not how it works. MANY MANY do not pay taxes and that is why the whole 'omg illegals' is even an issue. (aside from blatant racism)

Yeah, no its not. Maybe to morons like you that are being useful idiots for racists.

They buy things, they pay taxes when doing so, dipshit. Talk about not knowing how it works.
 

ImpulsE69

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Yeah, no its not. Maybe to morons like you that are being useful idiots for racists.

They buy things, they pay taxes when doing so, dipshit. Talk about not knowing how it works.

A large concern in the US is undocumented citizens. Trump feeds on this fear. The driving factor behind that fear is low wages / taxes. The money you say 'they buy things with' where do you think that comes from? Why is that an issue? Because they don't pay income tax on that money thus requiring lower wages than the average American citizen. It is not fake, it is not made up. This is reality. It is basically the entire argument. All the other details fall into the xenophobia area.

We have a large number of immigrants legal and illegal in my area. Hearing the legal immigrants talk smack about the illegal immigrants is interesting to say the least. Sure they don't want racism but they also want many of those people to go through the due process like they did. Jobs/taxes are exactly the 'fear' being instilled. My suggestion was to simplify the immigration process. Get them documented fast, get them paying their taxes and be on your way. This alone would pacify many of the haters. Then, the normal tax evasion process if they don't pay taxes. Then the only ones left to complain are the racists...and well...that is a huge hurdle itself.


EDITED because it was wrong to stoop to yet another person with a chip on their shoulders persons level.
 
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JD50

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Pretty great seeing Svlna own himself so hard he abandons the thread.
 

JockoJohnson

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As was referred to previously, it's the exact same argument (right down to the use of exact phrases and references i.e. the offence against the Jewish experience) that was used against calling the Japanese-American camps concentration camps.

This was only 7 years ago:

"But then the commentator referred to the Japanese internment camps as "concentration camps." I cannot imagine a more offensive way to portray the situation. To compare the Japanese internment camps to the Nazi or communist concentration camps is beyond offensive to the Jewish community and any reasonably intelligent American. While not Jewish myself, I found it to be terribly offensive. Words have meaning and to diminish the term "concentration camps" is reprehensible."

https://www.npr.org/sections/public...ncentration-camps-and-the-japanese-internment

This, btw, was the answer to that statement:

"Concentration camp" is a term that predates both Hitler and Communism. The Nazi concentration camps are more usually, and more accurately described as Death Camps. Stalin's Gulags are slightly different, as they were prison camps, though the "crimes" and "trials" were often specious. But a concentration camp, such as those operated by the British during the Boer War, does not in and of itself suggest atrocity."

Yes, and gay used to just mean happy. Words change over time. Webster might not have changed the definition but others have pointed out that ever since the Nazis used concentration camps, the visual generated by the word has changed.

AOC and others know exactly what they are doing and saying when they use this term. To pretend otherwise is just stupid. I will admit that this doesn't excuse the very poor conditions found to be in these centers but they are nothing like the atrocities experienced at the Nazis concentration camps.
 
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