Yes, and gay used to just mean happy. Words change over time. Webster might not have changed the definition but others have pointed out that ever since the Nazis used concentration camps, the visual generated by the word has changed.
AOC and others know exactly what they are doing and saying when they use this term. To pretend otherwise is just stupid. I will admit that this doesn't excuse the very poor conditions found to be in these centers but they are nothing like the atrocities experienced at the Nazis concentration camps.
We don’t need to hold them at all. The quality of our concentration camps isn’t the conversation we should be having. We should be asking why our government opened any camps.Obviously the situation is not exactly the same, but we have a moral obligation to give these people safe and sanitary conditions.
I'm always a bit confused by these sorts of posts. I get the impression that I'm supposed to see evidence of shitty behavior by "my team" and want to defend them, since loyalty to party is so important. I am perfectly fine with calling out Democrats when they do terrible things. Their having done terrible things in the past in no way, shape or form justifies others doing terrible things now. The reasonable takeaway seem to be "gosh, we all need to do better, don't we".Horrible and unprecedented!
https://i.redd.it/mjmhag4wgl531.jpg
Who would of thought it. More projection by a conservative.Immigrants to Australia aren’t prospective Dem voters once naturalized.
People like you are just funny. In a sad kind of way. Keep ignoring reality to claim "both sides".Horrible and unprecedented!
https://i.redd.it/mjmhag4wgl531.jpg
I'm always a bit confused by these sorts of posts. I get the impression that I'm supposed to see evidence of shitty behavior by "my team" and want to defend them, since loyalty to party is so important. I am perfectly fine with calling out Democrats when they do terrible things. Their having done terrible things in the past in no way, shape or form justifies others doing terrible things now. The reasonable takeaway seem to be "gosh, we all need to do better, don't we".
Republicans loved calling Obama a horrible fascist, then excuse their own party's misdeeds by saying Obama did the same things.
I'm always a bit confused by these sorts of posts. I get the impression that I'm supposed to see evidence of shitty behavior by "my team" and want to defend them, since loyalty to party is so important. I am perfectly fine with calling out Democrats when they do terrible things. Their having done terrible things in the past in no way, shape or form justifies others doing terrible things now. The reasonable takeaway seem to be "gosh, we all need to do better, don't we".
Which would be their usual revisionist history. Unaccompanied minors posed a different sort of problem than family units.Republicans loved calling Obama a horrible fascist, then excuse their own party's misdeeds by saying Obama did the same things.
so we're going to pat ourselves on the back for not killing people en masse or working them to death?
Obviously the situation is not exactly the same, but we have a moral obligation to give these people safe and sanitary conditions .
The use of that language is to ring an alarm bell loud and clear.
Educate yourself for once.
Gawd stuff like this comes off so neckbeardy lol. Ackchyually...
They're free to not come to this country to be placed into concentration camps. And they're also free to leave them and return to their country of origin at any time.
AOC just got hammered for her concntration camp remark.
If I had to guess I would say he is trying to point out the hypocrisy of “the left”. The Obama admin started these “concentrations camps” in 2014 trying to deal with the large influx of family units and unaccompanied minors from CA yet you won’t find anyone here or dems complaining about this issue or the conditions back then. At least Obama tried to deal with the problem although not everyone agreed with him. Trump made it worse with all of his anti-immigration build the wall bullshit.
Lawmakers are at least working on the problem now. Hopefully it passes to provide some relief. The problem of asylum seeking migrants from CA is not going away anytime soon. It will take more than this bill to fix the problem.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/us/politics/senate-border-aid-package.html
A few informative historical links.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/opinion/mr-obamas-dubious-detention-centers.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...e8-a4a4-c070ef53f315_story.html?noredirect=on
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsall...obama-immigrant-detention-policies-under-fire
I think references to 'concentration camps' need to be kept distinct from over-the-top Nazi and Holocaust references. The latter seem so overwrought as to make me wonder whether they are deliberate false-flag stuff.
Concentration camps are not just Nazi, us Brits used them in the Boer war, the Spanish used them in Cuba, and I sometimes wonder what exactly the difference is with the 'fortified hamlets' the US employed in Vietnam.
The essence is surely just about 'concentrating' civilians who are seen as potential enemies, in one place, the better to control them. After that they can have varying levels of brutality.
Edit - so it's not wildly inaccurate to call these migrant-detention centres concentration camps.
They [concentration camps] are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons.
How long are people held in immigration detention?
Federal government data obtained by TRAC indicate that 70 percent of people in immigration detention are held in U.S. immigration detention for 1 month or less; in fact, many people were released the same day they were detained, indicating that ICE did not need to obtain court approval to deport these individuals.
Federal government data obtained by the ILRC indicate that, on average, immigrant prisons and jails are holding people for longer periods of time under the Trump administration than under the Obama administration. In FY 2017, the average length of stay at any one immigrant prison or jail was 34 days, compared to 22 days in FY 2016 and 21 days in FY 2015.
Why the Government Detains Immigrants
The government will typically detain an immigrant because it believes either that he or she is a “flight risk” and may move to another location within the U.S. or that he or she poses a public safety threat. Detention allows the government to secure an immigrant’s appearance before the Immigration Court.
There are many reasons why someone can be detained by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its enforcement arm, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). These include, but are not limited to the person having:
- committed a crime, or multiple crimes
- arrived at the border without a visa prior to formally applying for asylum or refugee status
- an outstanding removal (deportation) order on record, either pending or past due, or
- missed prior immigration hearing dates.
HBO 'Real Time' host Bill Maher warned Democrats against running a campaign on woke subjects like reparations and concentration camps, saying it will make it very difficult to beat President Donald Trump.
"If you want to run a campaign based on reparations and concentration camps then it's going to be very hard to win the election. I'm not saying you can't do it but it would be very hard to argue that this is helping," Maher said on Friday's show.
Lots of folks here like Bill Maher. He has a good perspective on political issues.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...s_and_reparations_it_will_be_hard_to_win.html
Then it's accurate to call prisons concentration camps.I think references to 'concentration camps' need to be kept distinct from over-the-top Nazi and Holocaust references. The latter seem so overwrought as to make me wonder whether they are deliberate false-flag stuff.
Concentration camps are not just Nazi, us Brits used them in the Boer war, the Spanish used them in Cuba, and I sometimes wonder what exactly the difference is with the 'fortified hamlets' the US employed in Vietnam.
The essence is surely just about 'concentrating' civilians who are seen as potential enemies, in one place, the better to control them. After that they can have varying levels of brutality.
Edit - so it's not wildly inaccurate to call these migrant-detention centres concentration camps.
This is the part I'm confused by....so if no one approves of it, why is it still happening? Surely our politicians are doing the will of the people. Is it revolution time yet?
The child separation debacle was one of the lower points of the administration and according to the polling available they do not enjoy a single favorable poll on immigration policy that I'm aware of. I doubt that the current situation with a stream of negative stories is likely to improve that. Criticizing unpopular policy is indeed good politics. In short Maher is often wrong.
MAHER: There was a headline in the 'L.A. Times' about a week ago that said let's call the detention centers what they are, concentration camps. Then AOC came out and said that is exactly what they are. They are concentration camps and even invoked the term 'Never Again.'
Now, they're horrible places, I think we all agree it's just beyond the pale that America would do this to people, and concentration camps, maybe they fit that definition technically. But there are certain words that we just associate with something truly at the ultimate end of horrendous. Holocaust just means a big fire, but we don't use the word, hey, let’s go have a holocaust, I'll bring the wieners. No one says that...
SAVAGE: Andrea Pitzer, who wrote the history of concentration camps, 'One Long Night,' a mass detention people, often political prisoners or persecuted minority groups without trials.
MAHER: No, actually, they do get a trial it just is delayed, we wish it would [not] take longer, but they are there to get a trial and they do often get a trial. Come on. When we think of concentration camps, I don't know what you think, I think of mass graves. I think of experimenting on human people.
SAVAGE: The concentration camps came first. It was a step on the road to the death camps. And we need to use the language to describe actually what's happening right now.
MAHER: You really think we're on the road to death camps?
SAVAGE: We're on the road to fascism.
MAHER: Wow and people call me an alarmist....
It is technically accurate but it has a connotation that goes far beyond as so many words do... it's so different than what we think about concentration camps.