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Artorias

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Metroid Dread is really f'ing good. The level design is on a whole different level than any other metroidvania game (for obvious reasons) and I've hardly scratched the surface. Got the first suit and got to the second boss and called it a night after dying twice.

The last Nintendo product I owned was a GB Advanced, along with Metroid Fusion, Zero Mission.

Can you guess what I ordered the other day?

OLED Switch, and Dread, oh and Breath of the Wild because I never played a Zelda.

So if after 18 years they got me back into a console they must be doing something right haha.
 
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purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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The last Nintendo product I owned was a GB Advanced, along with Metroid Fusion, Zero Mission.

Can you guess what I ordered the other day?

OLED Switch, and Dread, oh and Breath of the Wild because I never played a Zelda.

So if after 18 years they got me back into a console they must be doing something right haha.
I have probably like 10ish hours into Dread and can say it's one of the best games on Switch, if not the best game. It's tied with Mario Odyssey for my favorite, however there is no way it will have the lasting appeal that Mario Odyssey did just by the nature of the game.

But the level design in the game is just incredible. I also like the difficulty and how it does not hold your hand at all, but kind of guides you along in such smart ways, again, due to the unbelievable level design.

I haven't opened my OLED Switch yet but plan to tomorrow so I can't comment how it looks on there. I have 2 flights next week and will be using it on those.
 

Artorias

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I have probably like 10ish hours into Dread and can say it's one of the best games on Switch, if not the best game. It's tied with Mario Odyssey for my favorite, however there is no way it will have the lasting appeal that Mario Odyssey did just by the nature of the game.

But the level design in the game is just incredible. I also like the difficulty and how it does not hold your hand at all, but kind of guides you along in such smart ways, again, due to the unbelievable level design.

I haven't opened my OLED Switch yet but plan to tomorrow so I can't comment how it looks on there. I have 2 flights next week and will be using it on those.

I'm supposed to get everything delivered today. Crossing fingers.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Oct 20, 2014
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Switch Online + Expansion Pass pricing just revealed to be $50 a year, or $80 a year for the family plan. The expansion pass launches October 25th. N64 controllers already sold out but the Genesis 3 buttons are still there if you have $50 burning a hole in your pocket. Ridiculous price for a controller with no joystick and no gyro though, should have been like a $30 controller.

 

JujuFish

Lifer
Feb 3, 2005
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752
136
Switch Online + Expansion Pass pricing just revealed to be $50 a year, or $80 a year for the family plan. The expansion pass launches October 25th. N64 controllers already sold out but the Genesis 3 buttons are still there if you have $50 burning a hole in your pocket. Ridiculous price for a controller with no joystick and no gyro though, should have been like a $30 controller.

I was tempted to get an N64 controller for nostalgia. Screw the price of the expansion pass, though.
 

jpiniero

Lifer
Oct 1, 2010
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Switch Online + Expansion Pass pricing just revealed to be $50 a year, or $80 a year for the family plan. The expansion pass launches October 25th. N64 controllers already sold out but the Genesis 3 buttons are still there if you have $50 burning a hole in your pocket. Ridiculous price for a controller with no joystick and no gyro though, should have been like a $30 controller.


Wow that's comical pricing. And not even 6 button.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
52,930
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Well this is really stupid.

I just opened up my OLED Switch and hooked up my headphones directly to it since it can do the bluetooth stuff now, however whatever codec Nintendo is using is laggy as shit. There is a very noticeable delay. I thought I was going to be able to get rid of my Genki adapter but nope. I just plugged that in and it has no lag as expected. And the headphones I bought I got specifically because of the lagless codec they have.

On another note, the blacks on the OLED Switch are really damn black!

Also, the new model fits in my old case no problem.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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The last Nintendo product I owned was a GB Advanced, along with Metroid Fusion, Zero Mission.

Can you guess what I ordered the other day?

OLED Switch, and Dread, oh and Breath of the Wild because I never played a Zelda.

So if after 18 years they got me back into a console they must be doing something right haha.

yes, I'm getting the itch to pick up Metroid, and thus start my Switch back up for the first time in almost...3 years. dang. I barely played it after buying it. Maybe 50 hours into botW, just got annoyed, even though I still enjoyed much of it (I just wasn't a Zelda game...too much of what I expected was missing, and I think that's the more common complaint for those that wanted something like the SNES and N64 era games). Otherwise, I think it's fantastic. Just, no dungeons!

Anyway, besides that, I bought the Switch expecting Metroid, and now it's finally released. I recall some cancellation in the "3D version," in development, soon after I bought it, so lost touch with what was happening in the Metroid world. Not sure about the art style, but it looks like legit Metroid platformer.

I also spent maybe 4 hours in Mario Galaxy and that kind of sealed it for me I think: "I don't play these games anymore." I think they are fantastic, I'm just not sitting down and playing them these days. It is what it is.

After really digging these games and their sort of...modern and rehashed versions, like Bloodstained, the ~carbon copy of SotN and Sundered, which I think was a good mix of the 2D Metroid map with the ultra light Rogue stuff (I couldn't get into Dead Cells, even though it is quite awesome indeed, because too much Rogue for me. I'm old and need me precious progress to be saved. I just do. I don't care. I need that, lol) I want a proper Metroid game.

Glad to hear that it's working for people.
 

SteveGrabowski

Diamond Member
Oct 20, 2014
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yes, I'm getting the itch to pick up Metroid, and thus start my Switch back up for the first time in almost...3 years. dang. I barely played it after buying it. Maybe 50 hours into botW, just got annoyed, even though I still enjoyed much of it (I just wasn't a Zelda game...too much of what I expected was missing, and I think that's the more common complaint for those that wanted something like the SNES and N64 era games). Otherwise, I think it's fantastic. Just, no dungeons!

Anyway, besides that, I bought the Switch expecting Metroid, and now it's finally released. I recall some cancellation in the "3D version," in development, soon after I bought it, so lost touch with what was happening in the Metroid world. Not sure about the art style, but it looks like legit Metroid platformer.

Metroid Prime 4 didn't get cancelled, but the project got handed to Retro Studios and completely restarted from the ground up, so will probably end up one of the very late Switch releases. Don't remember who the original dev was but Nintendo was not happy with their work on Prime 4. Thankfully Retro Studios should make another top notch Metroid Prime game since they're the ones who did the first three.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Metroid Prime 4 didn't get cancelled, but the project got handed to Retro Studios and completely restarted from the ground up, so will probably end up one of the very late Switch releases. Don't remember who the original dev was but Nintendo was not happy with their work on Prime 4. Thankfully Retro Studios should make another top notch Metroid Prime game since they're the ones who did the first three.

I see.

I was mostly interested in picking up a single cartridge collection of all of those 3D metroids that I never played (because I didn't own consoles in those generations/also dislike FPS games inherently), but that never materialized/was always myth. I forget, lol. But then I was reminded that Nintendo still charges the same price for every game...forever. I totally forgot that this was still a thing.

I think it soured me really quickly after buying that thing.

Anyway, I'm still getting metroid, and maybe one of those bonkers JRPGs that I never played, with like 26 sequels now. As long as it isn't textfest. I hate that at my age. haha.
 

Artorias

Platinum Member
Feb 8, 2014
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yes, I'm getting the itch to pick up Metroid, and thus start my Switch back up for the first time in almost...3 years. dang. I barely played it after buying it. Maybe 50 hours into botW, just got annoyed, even though I still enjoyed much of it (I just wasn't a Zelda game...too much of what I expected was missing, and I think that's the more common complaint for those that wanted something like the SNES and N64 era games). Otherwise, I think it's fantastic. Just, no dungeons!

Anyway, besides that, I bought the Switch expecting Metroid, and now it's finally released. I recall some cancellation in the "3D version," in development, soon after I bought it, so lost touch with what was happening in the Metroid world. Not sure about the art style, but it looks like legit Metroid platformer.

I also spent maybe 4 hours in Mario Galaxy and that kind of sealed it for me I think: "I don't play these games anymore." I think they are fantastic, I'm just not sitting down and playing them these days. It is what it is.

After really digging these games and their sort of...modern and rehashed versions, like Bloodstained, the ~carbon copy of SotN and Sundered, which I think was a good mix of the 2D Metroid map with the ultra light Rogue stuff (I couldn't get into Dead Cells, even though it is quite awesome indeed, because too much Rogue for me. I'm old and need me precious progress to be saved. I just do. I don't care. I need that, lol) I want a proper Metroid game.

Glad to hear that it's working for people.

I played just over an hour of Dread and beat the first boss. Really like the atmosphere, it's a very nice blend of 2D/3D and the level design looks great, the first area looks massive. I think I'm going to slow it down and take my time getting powerups.

So far I don't know a whole lot about the story but it's a direct continuation of Fusion, I still remember the story after beating that game dozens of times as a kid.

I hope they kept all the old school upgrades like bomb ball, screw attack. Give me that morph ball dammit. So far it plays like a Metroid game.


Well this is really stupid.

I just opened up my OLED Switch and hooked up my headphones directly to it since it can do the bluetooth stuff now, however whatever codec Nintendo is using is laggy as shit. There is a very noticeable delay. I thought I was going to be able to get rid of my Genki adapter but nope. I just plugged that in and it has no lag as expected. And the headphones I bought I got specifically because of the lagless codec they have.

On another note, the blacks on the OLED Switch are really damn black!

Also, the new model fits in my old case no problem.

Yeah the OLED looks fantastic. I'm playing Metroid handheld, all lights off on a sofa with Sennheiser headphones. I tried a bit of BOTW which I will play on TV, looks really vibrant.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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I'm at the end of Metroid Dread but decided to turn back to try and get all of the items. Some of the items are really tough to get and I still don't understand how to get many of them. I am wondering if I still have something I can upgrade or another ability I can get. I'm pretty sure I know the cap on missiles at this point. Still missing some energy tanks too.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
52,930
5,802
126
I have 2 areas with 100% items in Metroid Dread now and damn, some of these items are hard as hell to get! Some very tricky maneuvering needed to get some of them.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
27,052
357
126
Well this is really stupid.

I just opened up my OLED Switch and hooked up my headphones directly to it since it can do the bluetooth stuff now, however whatever codec Nintendo is using is laggy as shit. There is a very noticeable delay. I thought I was going to be able to get rid of my Genki adapter but nope. I just plugged that in and it has no lag as expected. And the headphones I bought I got specifically because of the lagless codec they have.

On another note, the blacks on the OLED Switch are really damn black!

Also, the new model fits in my old case no problem.

Yeah OLED always has awesome black levels which is why it’s so good for HDR(irrelevant for the switch). However It’s not one of those things that makes me jealous in this case. I’ve seen both side by side and it wasn’t a noticeable “wow” moment to me under normal lighting. Maybe in a darker room it could be?
 

JujuFish

Lifer
Feb 3, 2005
11,032
752
136
I beat Dread. Completion time was 8:40, only 52% items. Final boss was easier than I thought it would be.
 

Naer

Diamond Member
Nov 28, 2013
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Purchased a white oled model switch. Wallet took a bigger hit than it should have due to scalpers but I will recover. Gits here in like 1 week. Can't wait to play offline diablo 2 resurrected in handheld mode as I've been doing with the lite model. Also looking forward to playing smash bros on my computer monitor. I'm guessing it isn't hard to transfer data from my lite model to oled
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
30,383
912
126
What are your thoughts on the whole "Kotaku supports piracy" debacle that went on last week? Essentially, the summary is that Kotaku posted an article with remarks at the beginning suggesting that Nintendo and their lawyers ignore the article talking about Metroid Dread emulation. There was also a remark later on about how pirates and emulation allow for older games (like the older Metroid games) to be easily accessible regardless of how Nintendo can be stingy with re-releases. This caused quite a stir as people interpreted it as Kotaku supporting piracy of Metroid Dread.

As for my thoughts, well... I'm not surprised by the reaction. If I've learned anything, it's that people on the Internet often ignore cues that slant toward humor, satire, or sarcasm, and typically fill in those blanks with their own rhetoric. (Pretty sure we invented emoticons around 40 years ago to help combat this problem....) I saw remarks with people asking why you would even emulate a brand new game, and for me, it comes down to either (a) lack of a demo, or (b) performance/graphical improvements. In regard to graphical improvements, the Switch isn't exactly cutting-edge hardware, and there are games that are either stuck at 30 FPS or don't perform consistently (e.g. Hyrule Warriors). There are also cases where you can use modifications to improve the game; Breath of the Wild is the easiest example there.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
27,052
357
126
What are your thoughts on the whole "Kotaku supports piracy" debacle that went on last week? Essentially, the summary is that Kotaku posted an article with remarks at the beginning suggesting that Nintendo and their lawyers ignore the article talking about Metroid Dread emulation. There was also a remark later on about how pirates and emulation allow for older games (like the older Metroid games) to be easily accessible regardless of how Nintendo can be stingy with re-releases. This caused quite a stir as people interpreted it as Kotaku supporting piracy of Metroid Dread.

As for my thoughts, well... I'm not surprised by the reaction. If I've learned anything, it's that people on the Internet often ignore cues that slant toward humor, satire, or sarcasm, and typically fill in those blanks with their own rhetoric. (Pretty sure we invented emoticons around 40 years ago to help combat this problem....) I saw remarks with people asking why you would even emulate a brand new game, and for me, it comes down to either (a) lack of a demo, or (b) performance/graphical improvements. In regard to graphical improvements, the Switch isn't exactly cutting-edge hardware, and there are games that are either stuck at 30 FPS or don't perform consistently (e.g. Hyrule Warriors). There are also cases where you can use modifications to improve the game; Breath of the Wild is the easiest example there.

Internet meme children, edge lords, and rabid fanboys will always blindly attack without reading. I don’t think they supported anything either way. Some people love to argue online or just stir the pot. Others blindly defend some of Nintendo’s most ridiculous policies and decisions. It’s not just Nintendo, there are these types for any console and even PC “master race” types who always have something to say and are never wrong.
 
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DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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@Aikouka

Article's been updated with an apology from Kotaku for seeming to encourage people to play Dread in an emulator. If people want to play it on PC at higher fps/res after buying a Dread cart, then wtf not? We all know that many people aren't going to do that, but still. Why do the pirates get to have all the nice things?
 

NTMBK

Lifer
Nov 14, 2011
10,269
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What are your thoughts on the whole "Kotaku supports piracy" debacle that went on last week? Essentially, the summary is that Kotaku posted an article with remarks at the beginning suggesting that Nintendo and their lawyers ignore the article talking about Metroid Dread emulation. There was also a remark later on about how pirates and emulation allow for older games (like the older Metroid games) to be easily accessible regardless of how Nintendo can be stingy with re-releases. This caused quite a stir as people interpreted it as Kotaku supporting piracy of Metroid Dread.

As for my thoughts, well... I'm not surprised by the reaction. If I've learned anything, it's that people on the Internet often ignore cues that slant toward humor, satire, or sarcasm, and typically fill in those blanks with their own rhetoric. (Pretty sure we invented emoticons around 40 years ago to help combat this problem....) I saw remarks with people asking why you would even emulate a brand new game, and for me, it comes down to either (a) lack of a demo, or (b) performance/graphical improvements. In regard to graphical improvements, the Switch isn't exactly cutting-edge hardware, and there are games that are either stuck at 30 FPS or don't perform consistently (e.g. Hyrule Warriors). There are also cases where you can use modifications to improve the game; Breath of the Wild is the easiest example there.

I read the original version of the article, before it was edited, and it definitely read that way. I had a definite "what the hell are you doing, Kotaku?" moment.

Obviously I'm not going to launch a hatemail campaign against Kotaku over it, because I'm not a moron! But it really did read as a "nudge nudge, wink wink, you can go pirate this game really easily" article.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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I read the original version of the article, before it was edited, and it definitely read that way. I had a definite "what the hell are you doing, Kotaku?" moment.

Obviously I'm not going to launch a hatemail campaign against Kotaku over it, because I'm not a moron! But it really did read as a "nudge nudge, wink wink, you can go pirate this game really easily" article.

I saw the original article as well since I caught the outrage on Twitter, and I didn't really get the same vibe. I think the problem mostly dealt with two things:
  1. The author was supportive of using emulation to play older, "out-of-print", hard-to-obtain games, which also included support of pirates that help keep the games available.
  2. The author never really stated a stance on sourcing ROMs for emulating newer games like Metroid Dread (i.e. don't pirate to emulate), but made sure to joke about legality with the tongue-in-cheek humor at the start.
I think that people used #1 to fill in the non-joking opinion for #2, which lead to people stating that it meant that Kotaku (and the author) supported piracy of Metroid Dread for emulation purposes. I could certainly be on board with it being a "what the hell are you doing, Kotaku?" moment given that I think most people would've understood how the Internet would take that article. It reminds me of dealing with teens and even people in their 20's... it surprises me how many of them just do not get satire or sarcasm. I guess I kind of expect them to be better at it given how many have grown up with getting their entertainment through places like YouTube, which is chock full of satire and sarcasm.

Why do the pirates get to have all the nice things?

That remark reminds me of how much better some PC games are when pirated as it removes things like Denuvo protection, which just eats up CPU cycles performing decryption. I believe it was Devil May Cry 5 that was accidentally released on Steam with both a DRM and non-DRM build, which easily let people compare the two in regard to performance, and it was a tangible difference.
 
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DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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That remark reminds me of how much better some PC games are when pirated as it removes things like Denuvo protection, which just eats up CPU cycles performing decryption. I believe it was Devil May Cry 5 that was accidentally released on Steam with both a DRM and non-DRM build, which easily let people compare the two in regard to performance, and it was a tangible difference.

Yup! At least in the case of Dread, taking it out of its native resolution doesn't always look great. But the extra FPS would be nice.
 

RPD

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Jul 22, 2009
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I'm really enjoying Dread, based on my upgrades I feel like I'm about 75-80%-ish through it as I picked up the Gravity Suit and fought a few mini bosses. I felt one throw back boss was stupid easy and disappointed, but who knows maybe the storyline will find a way to do something else with it and what the "X" does. I just remember on NES first boss was DANG SO MANY MISSLES REQUIRED. Not sure why, but it wasn't until it was in my face directly did I realize you can speed run into a slide to destroy low blocks..
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
21,805
11,158
136
Kraid was a bullet sponge (missile sponge?) in NES Metroid. Ridley is easier since you can just use the Wave Beam by that point. Jump into the lava and blast away from below, fight over.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Last boss took me a lot longer than I expected in Metroid. I probably faced em for like an hour or so. Probably tougher because I had been drinking all day at the beach lol. My total completion time was around 13:20 or something I think, but that's with 100% items. Some of the items were REALLY tricky to get but it was fun figuring out how to get them all. I didn't look at any guides or anything.

 
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