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purbeast0

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I watched some video (I wish I could remember which one but at this point I have watched too many about the Switch) where it was implied that the developers for this game were directly targeting the 30-something "lapsed and nostalgic" gamer category. In fact the ability for the graphics to switch (no pun) between 16 bit pixel style and something more modern was basically explained as "and dads might want to play this with their kids who will reject the old graphics, hence we included both." Honestly the most interesting thing to me (I won't buy this game for full price) is the implication that Nintendo basically told Capcom that the 30 something casual gamer with a kid is basically the Switch's target market.

Except Capcom has already done this, I think multiple times. This is nothing new. That hardcore fighting game market isn't going to buy a Switch for a 10th iteration of SF2, especially since there isn't even going to be any other fighting games out on the console, and most people who play those games would want to do so on a joystick. I think there is one announced for Switch, but to pay $200 for yet another SF2 is something I don't see many people doing.
 

poofyhairguy

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Nov 20, 2005
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Except Capcom has already done this, I think multiple times. This is nothing new. That hardcore fighting game market isn't going to buy a Switch for a 10th iteration of SF2, especially since there isn't even going to be any other fighting games out on the console, and most people who play those games would want to do so on a joystick. I think there is one announced for Switch, but to pay $200 for yet another SF2 is something I don't see many people doing.

Oh I can't imagine anyone is buying a Switch for this game. Hell the HD assets are from Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix which is an eight year old game.

I found my source too, and it has some amazing quotes:

“The Switch caters to a wide audience, and the people who played the original Street Fighter 2 on Super Nintendo are used to the retro-style graphics," Ono said. "Those players are now 30, 40, 50 years old, and they have become parents who are getting their kids into gaming, too. By adding the retro graphics, you give the older crowd a sense of nostalgia and remind them of the original. At the same time, with the current HD graphics, we can appeal to their kids as well. Parents and the kids can play together and say, ‘This is how we used to play this game back in the day.’ And kids can enjoy it without feeling that the game is too retro.”

“Unfortunately the younger developers are actually a little bit quicker, and the older people, who may have been amazing when they were younger, are starting to lose when they fight competitively against each other in the game. Some of the other developers and I are realizing it’s really been 30 years, and we were much better at competitive play when we started on the Street Fighter series.” Ono said there would be a mode where players can perform simple commands. “I mentions it in presentations as something for people who are starting out and aren’t used to dishing out commands in Street Fighter,” he explained,”but secretly, I implemented it for the older players who might not be as good now to help them get that extra boost.”

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/01...ut-ultra-street-fighter-ii-on-nintendo-switch
 

purbeast0

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Ono is even more clueless than Nintendo with the way SF5 has turned out and how little has been fixed in the year since it's been released.
 

poofyhairguy

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Found a very interesting video on Twitch about the Switch:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120840159?t=03s

The video is a preview for SnakePass, a new 3D platformer by the development team that made the Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed that I absolutely love. Somewhere around the 25 minute mark of demoing the Switch version of the game they talk about how easy it was to develop for the Switch. Apparently it took about one week to get a working version of the game on the Switch. They go on to talk about how closely Nintendo is working with Epic, and how easy it is to port to the Switch if you use an Epic engine.

Seeing as how Epic's engines are used by a lot of indie developers I think this will go a long way towards increasing the number of titles on the Switch. It also makes me think the "one year port" estimate is for custom game engines. That still isn't great news if you are wanting AAA hardcore games on the Switch, but many titles I personally want to play are built on Epic engines.

In a related note Ubisoft seems bullish on the Switch:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2017/02...ong-comeback-living-room-strong-games-coming/

That is probably why they are releasing the first kinda big port (Steep) and it makes me feel like the rumors of an Assassin's Creed on the Switch might have some validity. Who knows with them though, they could be just implying that the Switch will sell even more copies of Just Dance than the Wii does.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Found a very interesting video on Twitch about the Switch:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120840159?t=03s

The video is a preview for SnakePass, a new 3D platformer by the development team that made the Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed that I absolutely love. Somewhere around the 25 minute mark of demoing the Switch version of the game they talk about how easy it was to develop for the Switch. Apparently it took about one week to get a working version of the game on the Switch. They go on to talk about how closely Nintendo is working with Epic, and how easy it is to port to the Switch if you use an Epic engine.

Seeing as how Epic's engines are used by a lot of indie developers I think this will go a long way towards increasing the number of titles on the Switch. It also makes me think the "one year port" estimate is for custom game engines. That still isn't great news if you are wanting AAA hardcore games on the Switch, but many titles I personally want to play are built on Epic engines.

In a related note Ubisoft seems bullish on the Switch:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2017/02...ong-comeback-living-room-strong-games-coming/

That is probably why they are releasing the first kinda big port (Steep) and it makes me feel like the rumors of an Assassin's Creed on the Switch might have some validity. Who knows with them though, they could be just implying that the Switch will sell even more copies of Just Dance than the Wii does.
Eh I wouldn't look TOO much into that. I have developed a game for Unity engine before and it literally has buttons that you press to deploy to PS4, Xbox One, Android, PC, iOS, etc. Sure you have to tweak some stuff, but the general game will just work.
 

poofyhairguy

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Eh I wouldn't look TOO much into that. I have developed a game for Unity engine before and it literally has buttons that you press to deploy to PS4, Xbox One, Android, PC, iOS, etc. Sure you have to tweak some stuff, but the general game will just work.

Yeah I am not saying this is some sort of competitive advantage. More that according to them the Wii U WASN'T like the other platforms but the Switch is. Basically Nintendo caught up which is good news for Indie games.
 

zerocool84

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This is from Game Informer which this month did a huge cover story on Breath of the Wild.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...nd-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wilds-dungeons.aspx

One of the highlights of our time with The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild for our cover story was the opportunity to play through one of the game’s dungeons. The world is full of more than 100 shrines, which Nintendo has shown in detail during many of its Treehouse live streams, but those are different than dungeons. The shrines are small, offering a few puzzles, usually in one large room. The dungeon we played is more in line with what we have come to expect from a traditional Zelda dungeon – a large area with a series of interconnected rooms and puzzles followed by a boss.

The one thing that has me worried is the 100 shrine part. They are puzzle rooms basically and while having 100 of them is great, I could see getting tired of it after a while. No demos or videos have shown us much in the way of many towns to visit. People are comparing it to Skyrim but I got bored of Skyrim because of all the same basic fetch quests and same basic "dungeon" layout. With 100 shrines, I really hope there is more to the world than that and having that many of them it might be difficult to make them all varied enough to keep them interesting. I just hope there is a lot to the big open world other than being large with puzzle rooms and dungeons all over the place.
 

Tweak155

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This is from Game Informer which this month did a huge cover story on Breath of the Wild.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...nd-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wilds-dungeons.aspx



The one thing that has me worried is the 100 shrine part. They are puzzle rooms basically and while having 100 of them is great, I could see getting tired of it after a while. No demos or videos have shown us much in the way of many towns to visit. People are comparing it to Skyrim but I got bored of Skyrim because of all the same basic fetch quests and same basic "dungeon" layout. With 100 shrines, I really hope there is more to the world than that and having that many of them it might be difficult to make them all varied enough to keep them interesting. I just hope there is a lot to the big open world other than being large with puzzle rooms and dungeons all over the place.
We will find out in a few weeks!
 

zerocool84

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I showed my fiancée videos of 1-2 Switch to see if that's something she would want to play so I can order it and she asked why it wasn't packed into the system because who would pay $50 for those games? It really does not look worth $50 at all. Many of the mini games in it look really bad.

So for launch looks like I'm only getting Zelda and Bomberman because she used to love playing Bomberman.
 

poofyhairguy

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I showed my fiancée videos of 1-2 Switch to see if that's something she would want to play so I can order it and she asked why it wasn't packed into the system because who would pay $50 for those games? It really does not look worth $50 at all. Many of the mini games in it look really bad.

So for launch looks like I'm only getting Zelda and Bomberman because she used to love playing Bomberman.

Yeah I can't talk myself into 1 2 Switch either. In a recent interview they talked about how they hoped consumers would want to play it as much as Zelda and in reality it isn't close. Luckily there are a few games coming out in March and April I want but really launch day might be boring beyond Zelda.
 

purbeast0

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I showed my fiancée videos of 1-2 Switch to see if that's something she would want to play so I can order it and she asked why it wasn't packed into the system because who would pay $50 for those games? It really does not look worth $50 at all. Many of the mini games in it look really bad.

So for launch looks like I'm only getting Zelda and Bomberman because she used to love playing Bomberman.
You mean this doesn't get your fiancee hype?

 
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Aikouka

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The third DLC is the only one that seems to contain any decent DLC content. Something like hard mode should be a free add-on, and it would be from most companies.
 

poofyhairguy

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My favorite part is how Wii U users get the same DLC "skin" of a Switch shirt for Link. LOL.

Makes me wonder how committed they are to the Wii U version. I am thinking about getting a copy just to leave unopened as a collectors item.
 

Ranulf

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Makes me want cancel my wii u preorder and just forget the whole thing for another 10-15 years.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
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Pay for hard mode? Didn't we get that for free with Skyward Sword?? And we're paying $60 instead of $50...
 

Chiropteran

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Yup which is why the built in memory isn't enough. Games are larger nowadays, plus updates and DLC, the built in 32GB is tiny.

Cartridge based games. While some like to consider that to be a negative for some bizarre reason, a big plus is that you don't need to install games to local memory because cartridge access times are much faster than blu-ray seek times.

That said, you can buy a 256GB micro sdcard today if portability is of extreme importance to you. It'll cost a fair bit, but you will have the best portable gaming system around with room for dozens of games.
 

cmdrdredd

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Pay for hard mode? Didn't we get that for free with Skyward Sword?? And we're paying $60 instead of $50...

In most games hard mode is unlocked when you beat the game once. Charging for a difficulty is worse than selling cosmetic items.
 
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