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poofyhairguy

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Really? That's pretty bad

Yeah the Eurogamer leak in December was right on the money. 768MHz docked and 307MHz portable.

It has a 1GB extra ram than the Shield TV though. Honestly I really don't care, BOTW is the best open world game I have ever played by far.
 
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Face2Face

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I thought multiple pages back we saw on Neogaf forums they were able to conclude the 2015 NVIDIA Shield TV bursts to 1GHz, but settles at 768Mhz as well, so in docked mode it might not be a huge deficit as we all think. One thing I find odd, is the Shield TV consumes 19w while gaming, while the Switch uses just 11w. Even though the X1 is from 2015, it still holds it's own today GPU performance wise.
 

cmdrdredd

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Yeah the Eurogamer leak in December was right on the money. 768MHz docked and 307MHz portable.

It has a 1GB extra ram than the Shield TV though. Honestly I really don't care, BOTW is the best open world game I have ever played by far.

I knew it down clocked for portable but that's a huge drop in performance. I do believe I would trade half the battery life for the extra performance if I had the choice. That's just based on how I would be using it. Still as was mentioned the shield tv settles in at around 768mhz.

I have a shield tv and it is the best set top box ever but for gaming it lacks that raw gaming power and feels more like a slightly more capable iPad in terms of the game quality. I was hoping that the shield was using a slightly boosted X1 at least while docked.
 

zerocool84

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If they would have modified it they could have had higher performance in dock mode. Not being fast enough in dock mode really hurts it a lot unless Zelda was some anomaly of bad performance.
 

cmdrdredd

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If they would have modified it they could have had higher performance in dock mode. Not being fast enough in dock mode really hurts it a lot unless Zelda was some anomaly of bad performance.

That's what I thought they did but apparently not.
 

zerocool84

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So internal memory of Switch is fastest for loading times and cartridges are the slowest. Getting a SD card faster than
UHS-1 doesn't make a difference either as the Switch doesn't take advantage of it.

Games that actually utilise a lot of data are relatively thin on the ground at the moment, so The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is our primary testing point for loading times, and the key takeaway is fascinating. Take a look at a Switch cart and you'll see plenty of connection pins, suggesting a meaty interface capable of very, very fast transfers. Meanwhile, with our Extreme Plus MicroSD, we were fairly sure we'd have a contender there as the loading time king. However, the end results are dramatically conclusive - it's the 32GB of onboard NAND within the Switch that is clearly the fastest storage interface in the system.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...rosd-cards-for-switch-loading-time-comparison
 

poofyhairguy

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Any of those methods would be pretty fast though. At least faster than a HDD

Yeah way faster than the 5400rpm drives the PS4/PS4 Pros come with. I wonder if the limit is the MicroSD port or the MicroSD card. The two cards seem close in the test.

So I think something is screwed up with the Switch network stack. When I disable wifi I get fewer fps drops and I am not the only one. Apparently going the Ethernet route doesn't help, just something in the network stack is using too much CPU. Seeing as how I have all of one online game I am willing to do it for Zelda but hopefully Nintendo will fix that crap soon.
 

cmdrdredd

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Yeah way faster than the 5400rpm drives the PS4/PS4 Pros come with. I wonder if the limit is the MicroSD port or the MicroSD card. The two cards seem close in the test.

So I think something is screwed up with the Switch network stack. When I disable wifi I get fewer fps drops and I am not the only one. Apparently going the Ethernet route doesn't help, just something in the network stack is using too much CPU. Seeing as how I have all of one online game I am willing to do it for Zelda but hopefully Nintendo will fix that crap soon.

Yeah but even an SDD in a PS4 doesn't help that much.

That's interesting on the network thing. I too hope they fix it because turning wifi off and on would be very annoying.
 

Sonikku

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So Nintendo is setting that rule. I can see why they would want it that way, but still sucks. That means no sales, ever.
This is how it has always been sadly. It's a big deal when Nintendo throws a digital sale and even then it's only like 20% or something. We call this phenomenon "The Nintendo Tax".
 
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poofyhairguy

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This is how it has always been sadly. It's a big deal when Nintendo throws a digital sale and even then it's only like 20% or something. We call this phenomenon "The Nintendo Tax".

Yeah I have only been back in Nintendoland since January and it's clear to me the only real "deals" on the eShop come from region pricing hacks and getting eShop cards on sale. There is a website with all the eShop sales but the games on it are rarely big ones.

And hell the only deals on physical Nintendo games come down to generic (Visa/AMEX Checkout) coupons, Prime/Gamers Club savings, Nintendo's EBay store, retail clearance and boosted trade-in value promotions. Thanks to that last one I am getting a deal on the game I want the most this year (Fire Emblem Warriors). I traded in every Wii game I have for it (happily) and got a 40% trade in bonus at GameStop.

Really I got a deal on almost everything related to the Switch including the console and accessories but it just required way way more hustle and timing than it does on other console ecosystems. You can almost get someone to pay you to take an Xbox One in comparison, but I wouldn't trade BOTW for any Xbox game though (and by that I mean any game ever on any of the Xbox consoles).


In other news it looks like the wifi issues are real and a fix is on the way:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._could_be_why_your_games_keep_dropping_frames
 

Nashemon

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So internal memory of Switch is fastest for loading times and cartridges are the slowest. Getting a SD card faster than
UHS-1 doesn't make a difference either as the Switch doesn't take advantage of it.



http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...rosd-cards-for-switch-loading-time-comparison
Thinking of this, is there a way to install a physical cart onto the system in any way? I'm assuming no, since then you could just install the game then sell it. Though, maybe it could still require the cart to be inserted to play it, like old PC games.
 

poofyhairguy

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Thinking of this, is there a way to install a physical cart onto the system in any way? I'm assuming no, since then you could just install the game then sell it. Though, maybe it could still require the cart to be inserted to play it, like old PC games.

Nope. You can't even move games you downloaded from the Micro SD to the internal storage without redownloading the data.
 

nurturedhate

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The Nintendo Switch is selling way more than Nintendo expected. They are going to double production:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/17/wsj-nintendo-is-selling-way-more-switches-than-it-expected/

Despite the issues I think they have a hit on their hands. It really is a great second console if you already have a PC/XB1/PS4 (and anyone who cares a little about games probably does at this point).

Yea it is a fantastic secondary console and does exceptionally well what the wii u should have done better. I want to watch something on tv and the kids want to play? Handheld mode. The wife wants to play final fantasy on the ps4 pro and I want to play zelda? Handheld mode. Going to the sister-in-law's house for the weekened? Handheld mode. Give me Mario, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, and a couple others by the end of the year and I'm a happy camper!
 
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poofyhairguy

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This news will be very good as far as enticing third parties too. Nintendo might dominate E3 if they can score one big AAA third party title, something new with VC, and a game in a series we all want.
 

preslove

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I have a feeling that the switch will be the big winner of this holiday season. Especially if there's a holiday bundle
 

cmdrdredd

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This news will be very good as far as enticing third parties too. Nintendo might dominate E3 if they can score one big AAA third party title, something new with VC, and a game in a series we all want.

I think e3 will be dominated by Xbox Scorpio info to be honest. I guess it depends on what you are really interested in as to what the hot topic is for you. I always found the idea of a particular company "winning" e3 to be a dumb statement. I mean when there are great games we all win and it shows that the industry is healthy. I have been very disappointed in Nintendo over the past few years though. I am not expecting miracles from them but I hope they can show a solid line up for those of us who invested in the switch.

Have the launch sales numbers for the switch been released? I remember reading that Nintendo said that could ship 2mil in march and I wonder if they hit that number since they are pretty much unavailable.
 
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