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cmdrdredd

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Well, it is about them when people want to use them to compare prices and complain about the switches price (even though it's the lowest intro price for an actual new console we have seen in a while).

And if the joy-cons hold no value to you, you can sell them on ebay and mostly pay for the cost of a pro controller.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-Sw...772356?hash=item2cbd7eea44:g:k6cAAOSwU8hY7E~Y

And TBH, I don't think you can fairly compare the pro controller with the dualshock4.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dualshock+4+battery+life&atb=v55-1&ia=web

Battery life is a very small part of it. The feel, the quality of the triggers and analog sticks, the button lifespan all factors in the quality of a controller. So far the ds4 feels a lot better than the switch pro controller. Plus you have a headphone port, touchpad, 6axis motion control on the PS4 controller. Maybe those don't matter but they can throw all that in and still have an msrp under the switch pro controller which doesn't even have analog triggers.

The pro controller doesn't suck but it's not as nice to use as my ds4 is in my opinion. Then the Xbox one elite controller is better than everything else out there.
 
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Ichinisan

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Battery life is a very small part of it. The feel, the quality of the triggers and analog sticks, the button lifespan all factors in the quality of a controller. So far the ds4 feels a lot better than the shield pro controller. Plus you have a headphone port, touchpad, 6axis motion control on the PS4 controller. Maybe those don't matter but they can throw all that in and still have an msrp under the switch pro controller which doesn't even have analog triggers.

The pro controller doesn't suck but it's not as nice to use as my ds4 is in my opinion. Then the Xbox one elite controller is better than everything else out there.
Pro controller obviously has SIXAXIS style motion control. Obviously.

Also has an NFC reader.
 
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purbeast0

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I think the DS4 is by far the worst controller of the 3 this gen, with the X1 being the 2nd best, and the Switch Pro controller being the best. It just fits perfectly into my hands and feels very solid. The only negative about it to me is that the triggers aren't analog, but to be honest I think that is overrated as shit anyways. In racing games I'm either pedal to the metal or not pressing it at all.

It baffles me that Sony still has the left analog in the wrong spot after 4 iterations of the same exact controller. I also feel like I could just twist the PS4 controller with ver minimal effort and snap it in two. It feels super cheap.
 

Chiropteran

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The pro controller doesn't suck but it's not as nice to use as my ds4 is in my opinion.



Sorry, but I disagree. The battery life sucks ass on the dualshock 4 and that a pretty important metric. The button feel and such is pretty damn unimportant when the controller doesn't work at all because it's battery is dead.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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I just can't believe that the PS4 controller drains big time when you aren't even using it. It will die in like a month of not using it. That's just stupid and makes no sense.
 

JujuFish

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While we're talking about controllers, why oh why did Microsoft choose to use the Nintendo button labels but switch A/B and X/Y? True, I think I prefer Microsoft's orientation over Nintendo's, but it's annoying going from one to the other.
 

cmdrdredd

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Dec 12, 2001
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Sorry, but I disagree. The battery life sucks ass on the dualshock 4 and that a pretty important metric. The button feel and such is pretty damn unimportant when the controller doesn't work at all because it's battery is dead.

That's why I charge it every time I don't use it and if I have to charge it a phone charger works. It's definitely not an issue for me. Though I always have two controllers for my consoles so I always have one charged (on a charging stand) anyway. Sure battery life is short but when you can get a phone charger and place it where you can get to it during a session it's really not a big deal to me.
 
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cmdrdredd

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While we're talking about controllers, why oh why did Microsoft choose to use the Nintendo button labels but switch A/B and X/Y? True, I think I prefer Microsoft's orientation over Nintendo's, but it's annoying going from one to the other.

In the US on a PlayStation the x button is confirm or ok and o is cancel or back. In Japan the o button is confirm and x is cancel. The Nintendo layout mirrors this with the a button being where the o button is. The PlayStation copied the Nintendo layout. If you think about it x is like saying no. However since in the US they put x as confirm the Xbox mirrored the PlayStation button layout with the a button being confirm like on Nintendo but placed it in the x position to be comfortable for gamers in North America. It's kind of weird but that's how it is.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
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I think the DS4 is by far the worst controller of the 3 this gen, with the X1 being the 2nd best, and the Switch Pro controller being the best. It just fits perfectly into my hands and feels very solid. The only negative about it to me is that the triggers aren't analog, but to be honest I think that is overrated as shit anyways. In racing games I'm either pedal to the metal or not pressing it at all.

It baffles me that Sony still has the left analog in the wrong spot after 4 iterations of the same exact controller. I also feel like I could just twist the PS4 controller with ver minimal effort and snap it in two. It feels super cheap.

Wrong spot? They had dual analog before anyone. It's only the wrong spot to Xbox gamers. There really is no right or wrong controller layout. I can get used to any layout in a few minutes. The only exception is when they place a d-pad too high up to reach easily without adjusting my grip. As far as analog triggers, I love the Xbox elite controller for being able to change the triggers between analog and short throw buttons. I often use it on my PS4 with an adapter for this functionality. For racing games I often feather the throttle in turns, especially in Forza.
 

purbeast0

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It's wrong in the sense that the natural thumb position is to rest where the dpad is. It's not to force it down and to the right. Just make a soft fist, which is basically what you are doing when holding a controller. Your thumbs are naturally in the spot where the dpad is on the PSX controllers. On every other controller it's where the analog is, since that is the primary input direction piece. And the fact that my thumbs can hit easily when using dual analogs is just poor design. Plus their sticks are convex so your thumbs slip off of them after a while and you have to readjust. There's just a lot wrong with the controller and it's dated at this point.
 

zerocool84

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I like the Switch Pro Controller but the triggers being only buttons does hurt it. Plus the Switch having no way to use headphones while docked, which Nintendo could have implemented like Sony/Microsoft, having a headphone jack in the controller, would have been great. Plus the fact that it's the most expensive hurts it as well. It does have greet battery life though. The only way I play on the Switch. I don't know how anyone plays with the Joycons with Zelda.

I think the Xbox One controller is actually a step backwards from the 360 controller. I do not like the bumper buttons at all and the sticks to me are not as good. The 360 was hands down the best controller last generation.

I prefer the PS4 controller this generation. Yes battery life truly does suck but it's light and super comfortable. All the buttons are placed extremely well. The tweaks they did to it make it feel like a totally different controller than the PS3 controller.
 
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Crotulus

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The only way I play on the Switch. I don't know how anyone plays with the Joycons with Zelda.

Are you talking about using the Joycons attached to the controller dock that is included with the system. Is it that bad for this type of game? Just picked up a Switch for the family the other day but I'll have to pick up Zelda at some time. First priority is another set of Joycons for 4 player Mario Kart. These controllers are all so expensive that I'd rather not have to get a Pro controller too this time around.
 

poofyhairguy

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Are you talking about using the Joycons attached to the controller dock that is included with the system. Is it that bad for this type of game? Just picked up a Switch for the family the other day but I'll have to pick up Zelda at some time. First priority is another set of Joycons for 4 player Mario Kart. These controllers are all so expensive that I'd rather not have to get a Pro controller too this time around.

Its not that the Joycon grip is bad, its just that the Pro Controller is that good. I preordered a Pro Controller so I have barely used the grip, except to test if my Joy Cons had the signal problem (they did). But I have a friend who said he was completely happy with the Joy Con grip who I pretty much MADE buy a Pro Controller (like I bought it and dropped it off and said "you owe me") who now says he can't use the grip anymore. It is like comparing a Madcatz controller with a real one. I recommend looking into a Pro Controller eventually. It will allow for three person Mario Kart.


Speaking of which, Mario Kart 8D battle mode is amazing. I have been having a blast playing online with friends and without friends. I got an ethernet adaptor to "fix" the shitty wifi on the Switch and I get no lag or disconnection issues. And frankly the game looks pretty good to me, even in portable mode.
 

Crotulus

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Looks like another Joycon pair and a Pro controller is in my future. Joycons for family multiplayer and the Pro for Zelda, Super Mario Odyssey, etc. The Nintendo money pit strikes again. It's all good though. I'm used to it. Have owned every Nintendo system except for the N64.

Although now that I think about it. Since I need 4 controllers anyways and the Joycon and Pro controller are the same price. Maybe I'm better off with 2 Pros rather then another Joycon pair.
 

Nashemon

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Looks like another Joycon pair and a Pro controller is in my future. Joycons for family multiplayer and the Pro for Zelda, Super Mario Odyssey, etc. The Nintendo money pit strikes again. It's all good though. I'm used to it. Have owned every Nintendo system except for the N64.

Although now that I think about it. Since I need 4 controllers anyways and the Joycon and Pro controller are the same price. Maybe I'm better off with 2 Pros rather then another Joycon pair.
Pro is cheaper by $10. Cheaper by $25-$40 if you also consider buying either of the grips. Then again you technically get two controllers for MK8D with a pair of Joycons. But strictly compairing prices, Pro is cheaper.

I've said before in this topic that I couldn't notice a major difference between the Pro and the Joycon grip. I played Zelda for two days before I bought the Pro controller, then played with it for almost two months. I used the Joycon grip for the first time since then the other day when I got MK8D (fiance took the Pro), and while I still won Grand Prix 90% of the time, I definitely need to walk back my opinion on how noticible the difference is between the two. Clicky buttons, lack of D pad, and of course the comfort level.

Still, I plan on getting joycons in several colors over the next couple years. Anyone know if the disconnection issues have been fixed on the ones currently in stores?
 

poofyhairguy

Lifer
Nov 20, 2005
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Anyone know if the disconnection issues have been fixed on the ones currently in stores?

Eh, that might be a crapshoot. The grey ones aren't really selling and there is a chance you could get a launch day unit with those, while I would bet all the neon yellow ones or neon blue ones (when you can buy those) will be fixed. There are some sellers selling new ones for $68 on Amazon, I bet those are launch day units.

Frankly though Nintendo is doing a good job fixing the Joycons. Next day shipping, good responsiveness, and they don't fight you on the phone at all trying useless troubleshooting. I sent my neon blue set in and not only did they repair the signal issue they also fixed how loose it was on the right rail (I suspect the right one might be a different unit after the repair). Once you have two Joycon sets its easier to do the whole RMA thing because you have a backup pair. I am getting my grey left joycon that came with the unit fixed right now. I want them all fixed before ARMs comes out.
 

CZroe

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Wrong spot? They had dual analog before anyone. It's only the wrong spot to Xbox gamers. There really is no right or wrong controller layout. I can get used to any layout in a few minutes. The only exception is when they place a d-pad too high up to reach easily without adjusting my grip. As far as analog triggers, I love the Xbox elite controller for being able to change the triggers between analog and short throw buttons. I often use it on my PS4 with an adapter for this functionality. For racing games I often feather the throttle in turns, especially in Forza.
Did you forget that they just added it to an existing non-analog design? The original Dual Shock was not designed around the analog stick: the analog sticks were designed around it. That's why they had to add two in order to keep the controller balanced, while Saturn, N64, and Dreamcast got away with one. I don't think anyone could argue that the N64, Saturn 3D control pad, and Dreamcast weren't designed around their analog sticks.

Of course, Sony's success for that generation made dual analog the de facto standard, and when you finally see new dual analog controller designs they reflect their priorities with the offset analog sticks that Sony never had. When the Classic Controller, Classic Controller Pro, Etc added Dual Shock-style analog, I interpreted it as a slap to their primary Japanese competition (SIXAXIS/Dual Shock 3) by implying that their layout was "Classic" or old/obsolete even though Sony was continuing to use it for that generation.

I also love the Dual Shock 4, but it's clear to me that the left analog is where it is purely because it became an inadvertent standard for them after their "double up on whatever Nintendo is doing" days (two shoulders, two analogs, two vibration motors, etc). It definitely is in the wrong place.
 

Nashemon

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So, you can "purchase" the Blaster Master Zero DLC that is free for a limited time right now even if you don't have the game, so you'll already have the DLC should you ever buy the game. I decided to give the new demo for it a shot. Played the first level in handheld mode and loved it.

But, is there any way to turn down the vibration? The joycons were rattling like crazy whenever their was some action on the screen (Boss battle introduction, falling to my death, etc). My fiance was like "what the heck are you doing over there?" I don't recall Zelda ever doing this. I think it's the buttons on either controller that the noise is actually coming from, but not sure. I've always hated phones that make a noise when they vibrate, so this is killing me.
 

Chiropteran

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But, is there any way to turn down the vibration? The joycons were rattling like crazy whenever their was some action on the screen (Boss battle introduction, falling to my death, etc). My fiance was like "what the heck are you doing over there?" I don't recall Zelda ever doing this.

I've heard that BotW doesn't use the new "HD Rumble" technology, just regular rumble. So that might be why you see the difference.

You can turn off rumble in the settings for Blaster Master Zero. Or you can turn it off in the switch settings to disable it for all games. But I don't think there is any way to turn it "down" without turning it off entirely.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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Not surprised BOTW doesn't use it since it's a straight up port of a Wii U game and that one obviously doesn't have it.
 

purbeast0

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All of the shit I've given Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for being a port (and all HD remakes this gen) and that I would never support HD remakes, I am debating picking it up...

But it's pretty much for the sole reason of having something new to play on a flight I have Saturday and Tuesday. Last time I flew I had Zelda on Switch and it made my flight go by fast as shit while playing a "real" game. But the flight is only 2 hours each way, so I don't know if it's worth it.
 

Tweak155

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Well, I quite enjoyed MK8 on Wii U if that helps lol. One of the few games I've bought the DLC that was released.
 

zerocool84

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All of the shit I've given Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for being a port (and all HD remakes this gen) and that I would never support HD remakes, I am debating picking it up...

But it's pretty much for the sole reason of having something new to play on a flight I have Saturday and Tuesday. Last time I flew I had Zelda on Switch and it made my flight go by fast as shit while playing a "real" game. But the flight is only 2 hours each way, so I don't know if it's worth it.
MK8 is awesome. I never owned a WiiU but it's super fun. My girlfriend that never plays racing games can't get enough of it.
 

Ranulf

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MK8 was the main reason I bought a wiiU. Now since they want you to buy the switch just for DLC of a port is a main reason why I won't ever buy a switch.
 
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