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zinfamous

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Mario Odyssey is one of the greatest games of all time in my opinion. It is a must have on Switch. It brought back the same feeling I had when I played Mario 64 when I was 14. It's nothing like Breath of the Wild I'm not sure how you are making that comparison lol.

If you like traditional Mario games too, check out New Super Mario Brothers U Deluxe. It's the Wii-U versions in one game. It's decent if you like those games. Same with Donkey Kong Country.

You mention Metroid, but I'm not sure if you also enjoy Metroidvania games too. Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom and Hollow Knight are fantastic. Hollow Knight can be had for $8 on the Mexican eshop. I got it 2 weeks ago and am like 4 hours into it and love it. Monster Boy took me like 16 hours total to finish 100%.

Dead Cells is fantastic too, and it's perfect to play on the Switch because you can just play one level and turn it off so easily.

Oh also, you WILL be playing your Switch in handheld mode a lot more than you think you will. I guaranteed it.

I never really liked Mario 64 so that's probably why this one doesn't really do much for me--and not that I have the experience to compare them (Odyssey and BotW), but I look at some gameplay and both have that openworld(ish) run around and collect stuff, get tools, whatever gameplay. I saw something about collecting moons in the mario game, like hundreds of them, and they're just sitting around...and it kinda nauseated me, lol. I had visions of myself deciding that I needed to collect all the moons for some reason, then hate my life. ....so in the scope of what I want to spend money on, that became an extremely hard sell for me, any time soon anyway, at that price--I only considered it because wallmart has it, and BotW for $45 right now.

I'll check out that other one, because that sounds more my style, and glad some of you have mentioned the Donkey Kong game. DKC was one of my favorite SNES games and so I was hoping to find something similar here--this freeze game, I wasn't sure what to make of it but I'll look into it more.

I definitely like the MetroidVania games and I already have several on steam. I do have Salt and Sanctuary, maybe put 15 hours into it and stopped for some reason, don't know why....but I've been avoiding Hollow Knight all that time because I didn't think I wanted another one like that at the same time. Figured why not just keep playing S&S? 8 dollars though, might have to check it out...or just wait for another steam sale.

Oh yeah, I foresee myself breaking all sorts of my own rules like bringing digital screen things into the bedroom.
 
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zinfamous

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Here are a few game deals since you may be looking for games, @zinfamous . As a note, I'll just provide the link to SlickDeals instead of directly to the item:

New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe - $45 (FS) - This does require Facebook to purchase. You might be a bit turned off because you've never heard of the company, but I purchased the Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze (Switch) game and the PS4 Gold wireless headset through them, and they were legit. Shipping was pretty quick too.

Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle - $20 - This is from Target, so you could do an in-store pick-up. (Target requires $35 for free shipping.) Surprisingly, while this is an Ubisoft game (in collaboration with Nintendo), it is considered a rather competent X-Com-like strategy game.

Super Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, or Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - $45 - This is at Walmart, so you can do in-store pick-up, or just go to the store. As a warning, you may need to get them to price-match an online deal as I've had them be more expensive in the store in the past. (It's very little hassle though.)

Also, you may want to pick up a screen protector and a simple travel case.

hah thanks. no facebook so no beuno, and the walmart deal, + the weekend $35 e-store credit for the Switch is what prompted my purchase this weekend...kinda sudden. I actually tried the local bestbuy and target (no local wally world) to see if they would price match the online walmart prices, but neither had these games in stock and, no Switch's on sale with the advertised $35 credit....even though I checked the night before for local inventory and they registered as in stock. It's always a YMMV, but I've sometimes gotten them to those price matches and hey--Best Buy now guarantees it, so....
 

zinfamous

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damn that's a lot of praise for SM Odyssey, guess I will have to give it another look...especially if I can still pick it up for $45
 

SteveGrabowski

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damn that's a lot of praise for SM Odyssey, guess I will have to give it another look...especially if I can still pick it up for $45

I mean I could post a short video that I think would clinch it, but why spoil one of the most amazing levels ever made in a game?
 

purbeast0

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I just completed my first run of Dead Cells ever. They really made the game a lot easier with the patch lol.
 

Oyeve

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So, my 24 year old son decided to mod his switch with a translucent back. In doing so he snapped the 200gb sd card I gave him and when he put it back together the left joy-con while it snaps in, doesnt give that virtual "click" sound and doesnt register as connected. It works on my switch so I know the controller is good. Probably clipped the ribbon cable that connect the joy-con. What a waste. Hes probably gonna buy a new one. I would attempt to fix it but he stripped one of the screws on the joy-con rail and I cant take it out to check.
 

nakedfrog

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It should be arriving tomorrow and I have Breath of the Wild and Octopath Traveler arriving the next day. I think I will download Dead Cells first off, because I've been wanting that on Steam, but I'd rather play that on a system like this, for some reason.

I think I read that the Metroid game was canceled/restarted or something? I was thinking of picking up Mario...Odyssey? Is that the primary "real" Mario game? It looks too much like Mario 64, though, and pretty much the same type of game as Breath of the Wild, so I don't see any reason to bother with it. Is there a legit platforming classic Mario game, or just go with what they have on the online streaming library?
Damn, you're stacking a couple games with a lot of time on them straight up front, I did 125+ hours in BotW and I'm not a completionist. Fantastic game. I'm 72 hours into Octopath Traveler, and am nearing the end.
Mario Odyssey is fun and extremely well-polished, but I only got like 20 hours of fun out of it (I'm with you, collecting all the moons is not my idea of enjoyable gameplay).
Mario + Rabbids was okay, I sold it while it was still worth something. I do enjoy that sort of game, but this one felt almost more puzzle-style in execution, like there's a specific "correct" way to solve levels as they get more difficult.

If you want a Metroid-style game and haven't played Axiom Verge, I highly recommend it.
 

zinfamous

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I mean I could post a short video that I think would clinch it, but why spoil one of the most amazing levels ever made in a game?

It does seem to be really short--roughly ~12 hours for a "substantial" playthrough based on one review I watched? Is that accurate? That definitely removes my assumptions of ridiculous grinding, but also sounds way too short/cost....and overall rather easy.

I just completed my first run of Dead Cells ever. They really made the game a lot easier with the patch lol.

Ah man, don't say that!


^I actually poked in again to ask about SD cards, and a recommended capacity, because I have no idea what the size of digital download games are for this system. I would imagine that a game like Dead Cells is really small, but say a game like Bayonetta (free w/ Bayonetta 2 purchase)...I know this is a "low" fidelity system, so I don't do the modern PC math of "expect 50GB minimum" ...and also the proper read/write speed for SD media, as these requirements have always confused me.

In my brain, 256gb would be a good target, and do I just default to an Evo class card?
 

purbeast0

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I'm not sure how large Dead Cells is. I paid $10 more to get the physical version.

But yes, it's way easier since the patch. Thankfully you can still make it harder with the boss cells though.
 

SteveGrabowski

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It does seem to be really short--roughly ~12 hours for a "substantial" playthrough based on one review I watched? Is that accurate? That definitely removes my assumptions of ridiculous grinding, but also sounds way too short/cost....and overall rather easy.

I have over 50 hours in it. I guess you could make it a short game if you rush through it, but a lot of the fun and the challenge comes from trying to capture difficult moons. I'd say Super Mario Odyssey is an easy game since you don't have X number of lives; you only lose ten coins on every death. But there is definitely some legit challenge if you're going for more than the base number of moons you need just to get to the next level.

Even if it was a short game (which I don't consider it to be), I'd much rather have 18 hours of The Last of Us vs 75 hours of Watch Dogs.

^I actually poked in again to ask about SD cards, and a recommended capacity, because I have no idea what the size of digital download games are for this system. I would imagine that a game like Dead Cells is really small, but say a game like Bayonetta (free w/ Bayonetta 2 purchase)...I know this is a "low" fidelity system, so I don't do the modern PC math of "expect 50GB minimum" ...and also the proper read/write speed for SD media, as these requirements have always confused me.

In my brain, 256gb would be a good target, and do I just default to an Evo class card?

I would just go with a Class 10 microSD. I think I read an article saying load times are virtually indistinguishable between a Class 10 U1 and U3 card, and that the U3 only makes installing games a little faster. If you only play exclusives I don't think you'll find any games larger than 17GB or so. That's how big Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is with the Torna DLC, though I suppose you could get it to 20GB if you get the DLC for Japanese voices. Zelda BOTW is somewhere around 15GB if I remember right. But those are the exception. Most of the exclusives are 8GB or less. I don't know how they fit Super Mario Odyssey into around 5GB, but they did.

Now if you play big AAA non-exclusive games that's a different story. I think I read NBA 2k19 was over 30GB. LA Noire is another 30GB game I think.

256GB would take a while to fill up on exclusives unless you buy a lot of games and buy them all digitally. Then again storage is cheap. Amazon has a 200GB Sandisk Class 10 microSD for $29.21 today.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073JY5T7T

That's the memory card I have and it's pretty fast. Fast enough that when I thought I should move my digital copy of BOTW from that SD card to my main internal system memory to get better load times I didn't really notice any difference. The official Switch microSD cards are U3 but if my U1 can compete with the internal NAND on load times it makes me think spending the extra for a U3 card might be a waste.
 
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purbeast0

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12 hours is "short" now a days?

Also, Mario Odyssey is A LOT longer than 12 hours if you want it to be.
 

Aikouka

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I actually poked in again to ask about SD cards, and a recommended capacity, because I have no idea what the size of digital download games are for this system. I would imagine that a game like Dead Cells is really small, but say a game like Bayonetta (free w/ Bayonetta 2 purchase)...I know this is a "low" fidelity system, so I don't do the modern PC math of "expect 50GB minimum" ...and also the proper read/write speed for SD media, as these requirements have always confused me.

In my brain, 256gb would be a good target, and do I just default to an Evo class card?

If you want to focus predominantly on physical games, I'd say 128GB should be more than enough. If you think you might have a decent number of digital games or games with digital add-ons, you may want 256GB. I mean... none of these options are all that expensive anymore, so it isn't breaking the bank to go with either. To note, there are some games that require a download after the fact. I saw NBA 2K19 in the store, and it noted that an SD card was required. I think DOOM requires an SD card for the multi-player portion.

Oh, and just to note, the Switch does not have a move data function in it. If you download something to the internal 32GB and decide you'd rather put it on the SD card, you must delete it and download again. I originally downloaded Warframe to the internal memory, but after seeing that there was no local method for moving data, I just left it alone. It was less than 10GB, so not too bad.

As for the linked card, I think it looks fine.
 

zinfamous

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12 hours is "short" now a days?

Also, Mario Odyssey is A LOT longer than 12 hours if you want it to be.

For $60? absolutely. That's garbage time, imo, that only existed back in the NES days where 90% of your 10-15 hours playtime was recovering from death because those games were impossible, hah.

I think of 20 hours to be the bare minimum expected time for a company that wants me to pay that price for a new release. ...it's just been the trend of AAA games for a very long time now. ..I'm thinking for single player, adventure/action/RPG type games that get all the hype. Granted, a lot of that content goes into side questing, much of which can indeed be very grindy and unnecessary. But then, I'm committed to keeping that content on PC anyway, outside of anything exclusive.

I don't think you can put time requirements on fighting, racing games, etc...things you expect to be multiplayer or dedicated replayed content.

That's why I wasn't sure about the "12 hour with 'significant adventuring'" comment I saw in that one video review. Does that mean there is a lot of skippable legit content, or is much of the time spent grinding moons? ...basically, I don't know how to quantify that. Anyhoo, I did notice a lot of cool variety with those levels so I will probably pick it up during this sale.
 

purbeast0

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FWIW I have had a Switch since Launch and have some digital games (ones that can only be purchases digitally) and I haven't ran into any storage issues. But as I said, I go out of my way to get physical versions for the most part and would never download a full $60 game digitally.
 

purbeast0

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For $60? absolutely. That's garbage time, imo, that only existed back in the NES days where 90% of your 10-15 hours playtime was recovering from death because those games were impossible, hah.

I think of 20 hours to be the bare minimum expected time for a company that wants me to pay that price for a new release. ...it's just been the trend of AAA games for a very long time now. ..I'm thinking for single player, adventure/action/RPG type games that get all the hype. Granted, a lot of that content goes into side questing, much of which can indeed be very grindy and unnecessary. But then, I'm committed to keeping that content on PC anyway, outside of anything exclusive.

I don't think you can put time requirements on fighting, racing games, etc...things you expect to be multiplayer or dedicated replayed content.

That's why I wasn't sure about the "12 hour with 'significant adventuring'" comment I saw in that one video review. Does that mean there is a lot of skippable legit content, or is much of the time spent grinding moons? ...basically, I don't know how to quantify that. Anyhoo, I did notice a lot of cool variety with those levels so I will probably pick it up during this sale.
Single player story driven games have never been even CLOSE to 20 hours of play through, unless you wanted to do multiple play throughs or go back and "100%" the games by doing all of the extra stuff. Except maybe RPG's but I couldn't care less about those.

But if you are referring to online multiplayer games with unlimited time to them, then sure.

I've always found it odd that people will pay $15-$20 to see a 2 hour movie but won't pay $60 for a 15 hour game.
 

zinfamous

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Single player story driven games have never been even CLOSE to 20 hours of play through, unless you wanted to do multiple play throughs or go back and "100%" the games by doing all of the extra stuff. Except maybe RPG's but I couldn't care less about those.
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So, basically every game I play when you throw in adventure/sandbox games. It's why I have rarely ever cared about Nintendo since the mid-90s, and I just never liked handheld, regardless of what was on there. I thought it was funny that you would say that about single player games, but it sounds like you've skipped all of the games of the last 25 years that I am aware of, haha.

I was actually surprised to see, though, that steam logged 20 hours for me on the (new) first Tomb Raider game. I definitely thought I had spent more time on that, but there really isn't much to do in that game but just run through the missions. I actually liked that Mafia 2 game, which makes you think it's more of a sandbox like GTA, but it really doesn't have all that content. Mostly just straight from mission to mission and I absolutely thought it was like watching a movie...which I kind of dug. It was a nice focused story that happened to be very interactive. That one logged at less than 20 hours, I think.

I pretty much stopped playing multiplayer games for the most part sometime back in high school. The only "single player" campaigns that are less than 20 hours, that I can think of, are the campaigns in the Call of Duty and the like games, which I learned early on is never the reason to buy those games....which is why I don't like them because I just don't get into multiplayer. :\
 

purbeast0

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Yeah see I'm the exact opposite when it comes to single player games. I don't like sandbox games generally speaking because they are super repetitive with a bunch of "side quests" that are basically doing the same shit over and over just to say they have a big open world. Then the mechanics are usually very generic feeling because they have to account for all the different "things" you can do. Gimmie a focused story driven linear single player game that is a solid 8 or so hours and I'd much rather have that.

I value my enjoyment out of games rather than just how much time I spend playing a game.

That said, Zelda can be as long or as short as you want it to be. That's one of the few open world games I actually enjoyed and I did a bunch of the side quests, and a lot of them did feel super repetitive, especially getting all the shrines. There was something about that game that I just enjoyed more than any other open world game.

Also, if you think most single player campaigns are less than 20 hours, you clearly have not played many single player games that aren't open world. Pretty much any single player game I've played the past 2 decades has been under 20 hours.
 

Ichinisan

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I never really liked Mario 64 so that's probably why this one doesn't really do much for me--and not that I have the experience to compare them (Odyssey and BotW), but I look at some gameplay and both have that openworld(ish) run around and collect stuff, get tools, whatever gameplay. I saw something about collecting moons in the mario game, like hundreds of them, and they're just sitting around...and it kinda nauseated me, lol. I had visions of myself deciding that I needed to collect all the moons for some reason, then hate my life. ....so in the scope of what I want to spend money on, that became an extremely hard sell for me, any time soon anyway, at that price--I only considered it because wallmart has it, and BotW for $45 right now.

I'll check out that other one, because that sounds more my style, and glad some of you have mentioned the Donkey Kong game. DKC was one of my favorite SNES games and so I was hoping to find something similar here--this freeze game, I wasn't sure what to make of it but I'll look into it more.

I definitely like the MetroidVania games and I already have several on steam. I do have Salt and Sanctuary, maybe put 15 hours into it and stopped for some reason, don't know why....but I've been avoiding Hollow Knight all that time because I didn't think I wanted another one like that at the same time. Figured why not just keep playing S&S? 8 dollars though, might have to check it out...or just wait for another steam sale.

Oh yeah, I foresee myself breaking all sorts of my own rules like bringing digital screen things into the bedroom.

 

JTsyo

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Keeping an eye out on the new Pokemon game for my son's birthday. He's enjoying Let's Go so it should be an easy win.
 

zinfamous

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Yeah see I'm the exact opposite when it comes to single player games. I don't like sandbox games generally speaking because they are super repetitive with a bunch of "side quests" that are basically doing the same shit over and over just to say they have a big open world. Then the mechanics are usually very generic feeling because they have to account for all the different "things" you can do. Gimmie a focused story driven linear single player game that is a solid 8 or so hours and I'd much rather have that.

Hey, I pretty much agree with this. I've gravitated towards the games the filter out some minimum dedicated playtime..I don't know why, but yeah, a lot fo content can be very repetitive, and it becomes obvious, at which point you make a judgment call if it's cheap, or if the game is designed that way. GTA and similar, I mean, that is going to be a long game, any way you slice it.

I think about the Borderlands games where, you can probably do one playthrough, at one diffulculty level, on one class, and you will hit just over 25 hours...maybe. Just playing through, for what passes as "story." But those games aren't that. They are about trying all of the classes, doing it multiple times, and for the loot. for da loot. it's all about loot. so...it's the time spent doing the grind and, at least. there is so much with the dialogue and the enemy AI and interaction that carries you along...I think of them as racing games that are actually fun...oh and with excellent gun play, They have multiplayer components, of course, but I spend most of that time SP, honing such skills.

I value my enjoyment out of games rather than just how much time I spend playing a game.

I know what you mean. As long as it's worth it, I can't complain. like i mentioned earlier, Mafia 2 was like watching a movie for some reason, but less than half the expected time that you thought that game world would give you, but damn it was well orchestrated and I dug it. No need to even go back into it...unlike my 2x 200+ hours each playthroughs of Witcher 3 and uh...well, way too much Skyrim. way too much...let's just leave it at that.

That said, Zelda can be as long or as short as you want it to be. That's one of the few open world games I actually enjoyed and I did a bunch of the side quests, and a lot of them did feel super repetitive, especially getting all the shrines. There was something about that game that I just enjoyed more than any other open world game.
one hour in now as I type this...trancy game. chill. way different from what I've subjected myself to for some years now, but kinda what I wanted. Digging it.

Also, if you think most single player campaigns are less than 20 hours, you clearly have not played many single player games that aren't open world. Pretty much any single player game I've played the past 2 decades has been under 20 hours.
maybe. I find that those that I have spent time on, have a lot more to offer than just run through and finish. I'm thinking the Witcher games, the endless AC games, the modern Deus Ex games...stuff like that. And again, the Borderlands games as mentioned earlier that's one of those series that you can complete in under 30 hours, but if you do, you really aren't playing those games.


....anyhoo...Dead Cells: tight so far. I unlocked the dude that kept my stash, after first death, so I'm not as angry as I thought I'd be.

ordered Mario Odyssey for 45 bucks just now at Wallyworld. It's all you guys' fault. Screw you all!
 

purbeast0

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You will be thanking us for "making" you buy Mario Odyssey.

And you will play Dead Cells for like 2 hours and think you only played for like 30 minutes.
 
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zinfamous

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You will be thanking us for "making" you buy Mario Odyssey.

And you will play Dead Cells for like 2 hours and think you only played for like 30 minutes.

Yeah, that happened. The most recent Rogue-like that I think I spent any amount of time on was, oh yeah well Salt and Sanctuary, I guess, but Rogue Legacy some years ago. I never kept at them, so I'm not sure how long this will last for me. At least it has more of that SoTN "feel" to it than the others do, which is what I have been looking for.

I may never accept that I don't finish games like I used to...I guess because when I was younger, it was maybe TWO new games per year, so all I would do was play them over and over. Now it's just saturation with less time, additional interests.
 

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Yeah, that happened. The most recent Rogue-like that I think I spent any amount of time on was, oh yeah well Salt and Sanctuary, I guess, but Rogue Legacy some years ago. I never kept at them, so I'm not sure how long this will last for me. At least it has more of that SoTN "feel" to it than the others do, which is what I have been looking for.

I may never accept that I don't finish games like I used to...I guess because when I was younger, it was maybe TWO new games per year, so all I would do was play them over and over. Now it's just saturation with less time, additional interests.
You sound like me, I've been playing Diablo3 on the Switch (never played it on PC or PS4) since it was released and have zero desire to play anything else, even with about 5 other games sitting collecting dust... I still want to pull the trigger on Skyrim just because... Skyrim.. MOBILE?! That I logged decent amount of hours on my PC.
 

zinfamous

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You sound like me, I've been playing Diablo3 on the Switch (never played it on PC or PS4) since it was released and have zero desire to play anything else, even with about 5 other games sitting collecting dust... I still want to pull the trigger on Skyrim just because... Skyrim.. MOBILE?! That I logged decent amount of hours on my PC.

I couldn't do a game like Skyrim on a relative potato system like the Switch....because that game just needs mods and the hardware to run those mods. I guess I'm too sucked into that Bethesda model of "here's a pretty good game that we only decided to complete about 80% of it...now go forth, fix it all, and make it prettier!" ..I mean, after having put probably north of 400 hours on it, pre-Special edition (whatever it's called), I still want to replay it at some point, with newer mods built for the new edition.

lazily dividing my time between Dead Cells and Zelda; I'm actually appreciating that Zelda doesn't really do any kind of hand-holding with some directed training about "go collect 8 mushrooms! Cook a meal!" etc etc. I died maybe 5 times trying to run across that cold-ass mountain to get to the final noob-island puzzle to get the glider, when I climbed back down the mountain, found the old man's cabin, and figured out that I was probably supposed to learn how to cook something for cold resistance and/or complete that recipe to trade him for the cold tunic. ...but it looks like you can make that run without it, through the cold, from fire to fire, so it's cool that the legitimate variety of tactics/choices are available.
 

RPD

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I couldn't do a game like Skyrim on a relative potato system like the Switch....because that game just needs mods and the hardware to run those mods. I guess I'm too sucked into that Bethesda model of "here's a pretty good game that we only decided to complete about 80% of it...now go forth, fix it all, and make it prettier!" ..I mean, after having put probably north of 400 hours on it, pre-Special edition (whatever it's called), I still want to replay it at some point, with newer mods built for the new edition
I get it, but I can live with it and the other reason I love the switch is it being solid state and having practically zero load times.
 
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