Goodbye NX, hello Switch

[cmdrdredd]

Is it me or did Zelda look laggy on the tablet screen?

Yes it was a bit laggy but I think that's because the CPU changes clock speeds when in portable mode.

 

[cmdrdredd]

So now we have confirmation that it is not going to be a powerful console at all. The dock does not add any extra power or cooling or storage to the system, it is just a charging stand/TV output stand. We are obviously not getting even close to comparable graphics to PS4/Xbox One.



http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/21/13356760/nintendo-switch-dock-functionality-tv-output-power

To be fair they said "main function of the dock" not "only function of the dock". I would imagine they wouldn't want to tell people that the portable experience would be inferior in some way. Even so, I knew they wouldn't even be close to the PS4 or XB1 and with the new PS4 Pro, they are lightyears behind in raw horsepower before it even has a release date.

 

[cmdrdredd]

...what? I don't understand these complaints. All electronics can be damaged. This isn't unique to the Switch. It's not particularly complicated, either. It's a handheld and a dock. Have you really never heard of a dock before? I'm typing this on a docked laptop right now. It's not particularly crazy stuff.

Have you ever had the charging connector in a micro USB port on a phone go bad? Things like that happen and with something you're supposed to plug in and unplug constantly by design will inevitably wear out. What we are saying is that it looks like a poor design because it can break. It's not the same as a button on your Xbox controller wearing out after a million presses or the analog sticks getting loose after tens of thousands of hours. No, this is about a connector that is vital to the usage of the system.

 

[cmdrdredd]

If I want big frame rates at high res with super graphics I play on my pc. This gen of consoles are nothing more than gimped PC's. The Switch is a casual console which a lot of the video gaming population is.

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The thing of it is there are certain exclusives you can't get on PC, that's why I own a PS4. Honestly the graphics aren't that terrible compared to PC either, there hasn't been much of a leap in game engine quality in a while.

 

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[cmdrdredd]

No, I haven't. I've owned countless phones and countless consoles, I've never had a problem like this, and there is zero reason to be concerned about it on the Switch. It's a fabricated complaint. Find something else to nitpick.

So because you never had it happen means it never does and it's fabricated. There's literally thousands of posts, articles, and youtube videos about microUSB ports wearing out and becoming loose and losing connection. Anything that is constantly plugged in and unplugged again can wear out over time. Even Apple's lightning cable can wear out except the part that can get loose is the connector on the cable which is much easier to replace than the device.

I'm not saying the switch will use microUSB or anything like that, I'm saying that there are precedents for connections breaking or loosening up over time. I'd call it a point of concern for the long term on the device.

 

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[Kaido]

 

[renz20003]

The thing of it is there are certain exclusives you can't get on PC, that's why I own a PS4. Honestly the graphics aren't that terrible compared to PC either, there hasn't been much of a leap in game engine quality in a while.

I bought a Wii U for this reason, it's the low frame rates that bug me. It's hard going from 60-120 fps on PC to 20-30.

But it is only a fraction of the cost of a high end PC.

 

[zerocool84]

As we know, games sell systems and Nintendo really really needs to get those 3rd party developers on board. The big issue here is that when developing a game for PS4/Xbox One, they are yet again going to have to downport the same game to the Switch which as we've seen they don't like having to do that huge effort, so they either leave parts of the game out or just don't do it at all. We've seen this already with the WiiU.

If they got fairly close in power to the other systems that would be fine but yet again Nintendo is fine with not being the #1 option in people's homes. Why would you not want to make it easy to have games that sell millions easily ported to your console and have nearly the same experience as others? Like it or not, people like playing what everyone else is playing, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Overwatch, Assassin's Creed, Madden, etc etc and this will have inferior versions of all these games .

 

[MrChad]

A hybrid console will allow Nintendo to consolidate its first party development to a single platform, instead of splitting it between 3DS and Wii U. That means they can deliver a bigger and better library earlier in the console's lifecycle. If there are enough compelling AAA Nintendo titles early on (Mario, Zelda, Pikmin, Smash Bros, Splatoon, etc.), that should help build a sufficient install base to compel 3rd parties to get on board.

I think the most crucial detail is the price. I don't see how the Switch gets mass-market appeal if it's priced close to XBox One or PS4. Those consoles have more power and established libraries. I think $200 is a sweet spot, but realistically it will be closer to $250.

 

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[cmdrdredd]

If it's a point of concern for the Switch, it's a point of concern for literally every device ever, and for you to sit there and act like this is a weakness specific to the switch is childish and idiotic.

Look, I get it. You didn't want to like this. That's fine. You don't have to work so hard to come up with BS complaints. You can just...NOT LIKE IT.

You seem to be the only one having an orgasm over this thing. You're not even trying to look at it objectively. You've already taken it upon yourself to launch personal attacks at people who post a negative reaction or very real reason it doesn't look like it'll be something they would consider buying.

 

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[cmdrdredd]

What you're suggesting here is just never going to happen, ever. I don't understand why people still bring this up. Nintendo believes hardware and software go hand in hand. They are always going to design hardware that's different than others because they believe it works in tandem with software to produce a better gaming experience. This is key to their entire strategy as a company and it's not going to change. To continually ask why Nintendo doesn't just make their own Xbox or Playstation is to completely misunderstand the company you're talking about. It's like asking why Ferrari doesn't make a minivan. It can be forgiven if you're six years old and never heard of Ferrari before, but once you're an adult and you've seen countless Ferrari sports cars, it starts to get worrying if you still don't grasp the concept.

It's simple...the last time Nintendo had a truly successful console that attracted 3rd party developers and had huge software success was when they made a device that measured well against the competition using the relevant tech of the day and just delivered a game machine. Go back and look at how successful the SNES was and then how poorly the N64 did against the Playstation. They didn't keep up with the technology trends of the day and it hurt them in sales. Their library wasn't impressive and it had less 3rd party support. They had a good attempt at a comeback with the Gamecube but still fell below the competition overall because of the proprietary disc format and hostile 3rd party stance. It's clear that their business strategy isn't creating sales vs what the gaming community is actually interested in buying. The numbers clearly indicate this. Casual gamers bought a Wii but not very many games and there weren't enough faithfuls buying the first party titles. Had they delivered something more traditional and put their first party games on it, it would be much more successful with the demographics we have today. As zerocool84 mentioned and he isn't wrong, people want to play what everyone else is playing and now they want to do that online with their friends. Nintendo is left in the cold.

 

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[cmdrdredd]

cmdrdredd, no one wants to read your constant anti-Nintendo bashing. Either contribute, or go away.

Here's a challenge: level ONE real criticism against the Switch. Don't give me any BS complaints about "oh it might break" that apply to literally anything ever. Don't lie. Don't call everything a gimmick. Just give me one single reason why you don't like this product.

It's clear to me that you don't even want to discuss anything. We've given numerous reasons and you brush them all off. It is contributing to the discussion, what I said. If you think it's anti Nintendo to recount their history and find reasons why they have fallen to 3rd place and have a weak library of titles when they could have remained on top well then there is no hope to actually have an objective conversation.

 

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[zerocool84]

A hybrid console will allow Nintendo to consolidate its first party development to a single platform, instead of splitting it between 3DS and Wii U. That means they can deliver a bigger and better library earlier in the console's lifecycle. If there are enough compelling AAA Nintendo titles early on (Mario, Zelda, Pikmin, Smash Bros, Splatoon, etc.), that should help build a sufficient install base to compel 3rd parties to get on board.

I think the most crucial detail is the price. I don't see how the Switch gets mass-market appeal if it's priced close to XBox One or PS4. Those consoles have more power and established libraries. I think $200 is a sweet spot, but realistically it will be closer to $250.

The thing is though without having the huge third party games this is just going to end up like the WiiU. I'm going to buy it, no question about that but just because of Zelda, I do wish they'd release a Metroid on it at some point too. But if it's not going to have the huge games that everybody buys, then it's not going to sell huge numbers and will be people's second choice of console. They can't settle for second choice.

Also there's no way they are abandoning the 3DS right now when this comes out. It already has a HUUUUUUGE install base that they would be dumb not to keep pumping out tons of games for it so they will still have to support two consoles.

 

[sweenish]

It's clear to me that you don't even want to discuss anything. We've given numerous reasons and you brush them all off. It is contributing to the discussion, what I said. If you think it's anti Nintendo to recount their history and find reasons why they have fallen to 3rd place and have a weak library of titles when they could have remained on top well then there is no hope to actually have an objective conversation.

Blowing steam and discussing are two very different things. You're not discussing jack.

The thing is though without having the huge third party games this is just going to end up like the WiiU. I'm going to buy it, no question about that but just because of Zelda, I do wish they'd release a Metroid on it at some point too. But if it's not going to have the huge games that everybody buys, then it's not going to sell huge numbers and will be people's second choice of console. They can't settle for second choice.

Also there's no way they are abandoning the 3DS right now when this comes out. It already has a HUUUUUUGE install base that they would be dumb not to keep pumping out tons of games for it so they will still have to support two consoles.

The Wii was a second choice console.


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The very simple fact of the matter is that everyone is having a gut reaction. Nintendo hasn't released any details that really merit a discussion outside of the form factor.

If I had the money, I'd buy one. Poofy has been going on and on about ARM matching consoles for raw horsepower, and this brand new NVidia SoC could just be the genesis of that. The Tegra X1 could already run UE4 on it. NVidia has been on a constant march to unify their hardware. You can order laptops that have a full 1080 in them, for crying out loud. And the Razer one is svelte.

The form factor is very intriguing. Especially the car dock. I don't see the side controllers being lost as easily as, say, Apple's wireless ear pods. They appear to have a very good latching mechanism.

And everyone saying that Nintendo needs to "get" the third parties are a bit ignorant. They got them already. It's in the press material. They need to keep them. This console has been receiving general praise from most of the big publishers.

At the end of the day, it's the exclusives that move consoles. And they're going to come out swinging with the most ambitious Zelda game to date.

 

[Chaotic42]

Let's not get too wrapped around the axle here. It's just a console, no need to break out the blood pressure meds. Any idea what Autodesk has planned? I already beat AutoCAD 2012 on hard mode twice, so I'll be looking forward to a new challenge. The new Zelda game does look good. We'll see. If I do get one it will be well after launch.

 

[Sonikku]

The Wii was a second choice console.

The good thing about the Wii was that it wasn't priced the same as the competition. The PS3 was $600 while the Wii was $250. Today the PS4 can be had for $300 while the Wii U is also $300. Being a generation behind is less acceptable when you're priced the same as the people you don't want to compete with.

 

[zerocool84]

Blowing steam and discussing are two very different things. You're not discussing jack.


The Wii was a second choice console.


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The very simple fact of the matter is that everyone is having a gut reaction. Nintendo hasn't released any details that really merit a discussion outside of the form factor.

If I had the money, I'd buy one. Poofy has been going on and on about ARM matching consoles for raw horsepower, and this brand new NVidia SoC could just be the genesis of that. The Tegra X1 could already run UE4 on it. NVidia has been on a constant march to unify their hardware. You can order laptops that have a full 1080 in them, for crying out loud. And the Razer one is svelte.

The form factor is very intriguing. Especially the car dock. I don't see the side controllers being lost as easily as, say, Apple's wireless ear pods. They appear to have a very good latching mechanism.

And everyone saying that Nintendo needs to "get" the third parties are a bit ignorant. They got them already. It's in the press material. They need to keep them. This console has been receiving general praise from most of the big publishers.

At the end of the day, it's the exclusives that move consoles. And they're going to come out swinging with the most ambitious Zelda game to date.

Unfortunately even a faster Tegra X1 is still going to be only around PS3/Xbox 360 power so yes, it's going to be vastly underpowered. I had already linked to what was said about the graphics chip in this. It's not much more powerful than last generation consoles.