Goodbye SlySoft and AnyDVD

[JSt0rm]

Actually, I never said anything of the sort in my post. This just goes to show the mindset you and those of your kind have though...."They are all thieves!!!" I'm not even going to confirm or deny your suspicion however, because I enjoy that it aggravates the shit out of you, and just fuck you in general.




Would you care to see the barren fields in which I grow my fucks to give? That sounds like a problem with those in charge of the recording industry and the artist's contract structure, not a consumer's issue.



Anybody want to take any bets as to if the car he drives was built in the U.S. by a U.S. based manufacturer?

Attack the messenger.

Steal what you want but dont be surprised when software like this gets shut down.

 

[Homerboy]

Quoting all of this for sanity.

Heck, my wife pretty much exclusively watches youtube and she's not a kid. Most of my friends ONLY have Netflix, but mainly watch youtube.

I'm probably the most technical minded person in my circle and I'm the only one that watches any amount of movies or TV outside of Netflix. They all used to buy tons of DVD's and music, but that stopped with Blu-Ray (annoying and rebuying the same thing again? no) and I-tunes (they use it exclusively). They aren't pirating material, they simply don't buy it or use it. There are simply TOO many different forms of entertainment that are less expensive and less of a hassle than the industry is trying to make it.

If Jstorm's mindset is representative of the entertainment industry they are in for a world of hurt before it gets better.

You can blame all you want, but it won't change what is happening. If money is such an issue, maybe they need better accountants rather than spending all that money attacking customers.

Bingo.
Same goes for the bulk of my family and friends and their kids for that matter too.

The industry COMPLETELY changed -- YouTube, iTunes, Netfix etc all ran with it and have benefited from it. The old music and video industry was too big, not nimble enough and reacted way too late (and too stringently for that matter).

 

[JSt0rm]

nobody cares about the old distribution model. lol. I keep saying streaming is good for video. You can rent a movie on your couch for $5 or buy it for $20. Whats not to like? We all get paid you all get the convenience of a digital stream and away we go. If people dont like film/tv more power to them. The world isnt interesting because we all like the same stuff. Just dont steal.

 

[ponyo]

Quoting all of this for sanity.

Heck, my wife pretty much exclusively watches youtube and she's not a kid. Most of my friends ONLY have Netflix, but mainly watch youtube.

I'm probably the most technical minded person in my circle and I'm the only one that watches any amount of movies or TV outside of Netflix. They all used to buy tons of DVD's and music, but that stopped with Blu-Ray (annoying and rebuying the same thing again? no) and I-tunes (they use it exclusively). They aren't pirating material, they simply don't buy it or use it. There are simply TOO many different forms of entertainment that are less expensive and less of a hassle than the industry is trying to make it.

If Jstorm's mindset is representative of the entertainment industry they are in for a world of hurt before it gets better.

You can blame all you want, but it won't change what is happening. If money is such an issue, maybe they need better accountants rather than spending all that money attacking customers.

I'm seeing the same thing with my daughter and my nephews. They don't watch TV and rarely watch movies. It's pretty much Youtube all the time with them. I don't even think they know what DVD and Blu-Ray are outside of Playstation and Xbox games.

 

[Homerboy]

nobody cares about the old distribution model. lol. I keep saying streaming is good for video. You can rent a movie on your couch for $5 or buy it for $20. Whats not to like? We all get paid you all get the convenience of a digital stream and away we go. If people dont like film/tv more power to them. The world isnt interesting because we all like the same stuff. Just dont steal.

But you keep saying streaming is bad for music...

 

[JSt0rm]

youtube has a subscription service. Free content that isnt meant to be free on youtube should be taken down. I dont know how I would feel about having tender aged children having free run on youtube as the content cant be controlled but thats your life.

 

[JSt0rm]

But you keep saying streaming is bad for music...

Yes. Streaming is bad for music. How does me saying streaming is good for video change that? They are different. I even explained why. Obviously people dont care.

We get it. Content creators are bad people because they wont give the product away for free. Nobody is forcing you to buy it but every time you download a starz tv show without having a starz subscription you hurt real people. Or hbo or showtime or any film indie or big budget.

 

[poofyhairguy]

nobody cares about the old distribution model.

The lawyers protecting Blu Rays care. Hence the thread.

lol. I keep saying streaming is good for video.

But then you laugh at us when we say we want a Spotify for video.

Obviously you think people should "purchase" media that they like. We agree, we are buying discs. You know who doesn't agree? The Millennial consumer who expects to watch everything under the sun for X dollars per month.

 

[Homerboy]

Yes. Streaming is bad for music. How does me saying streaming is good for video change that? They are different. I even explained why. Obviously people dont care.

We get it. Content creators are bad people because they wont give the product away for free. Nobody is forcing you to buy it but every time you download a starz tv show without having a starz subscription you hurt real people. Or hbo or showtime or any film indie or big budget.

Why didn't radio kill the music business?
Why is streaming, which is nothing but modern-day radio, so bad for the music business? Was/is satellite radio bad for it?


This conversation has strayed a long way from stealing music/video. I dont think anyone you're arguing with is saying stealing is OK..

 

[JSt0rm]

The lawyers protecting Blu Rays care. Hence the thread.



But then you laugh at us when we say we want a Spotify for video.

Obviously you think people should "purchase" media that they like. We agree, we are buying discs. You know who doesn't agree? The Millennial consumer who expects to watch everything under the sun for X dollars per month.

You will never have a spotify for video. You will have amazon prime, hulu, netflix, hbo, showtime, starz and many other services. You then pick who makes the content you like and subscribe. Or subscribe to several or all of them. That is your choice. All content ever created for $12 a month? Fuck no.

 

[JSt0rm]

Why didn't radio kill the music business?
Why is streaming, which is nothing but modern-day radio, so bad for the music business? Was/is satellite radio bad for it?


This conversation has strayed a long way from stealing music/video. I dont think anyone you're arguing with is saying stealing is OK..

Thats very inaccurate. Radio is not on demand. Modern day streaming is. Back in the days of radio you would buy the lp or tape to continue listening when you want. Today you create a playlist and go with that.

I love buying music online. I buy mp3 albums every week. I do stream music off of youtube. People give their entire albums away now in the hopes you will buy it. I buy it.

 

[ImpulsE69]

nobody cares about the old distribution model. lol. I keep saying streaming is good for video. You can rent a movie on your couch for $5 or buy it for $20. Whats not to like? We all get paid you all get the convenience of a digital stream and away we go. If people dont like film/tv more power to them. The world isnt interesting because we all like the same stuff. Just dont steal.

I think that is the first thing you've said that we're on the same page about, but you are automatically tagging everyone as pirates which is incorrect, even if they use this product or other products like it. Again, it's like saying get rid of the printing press because it makes it too easy to make copies. This has the right to exist and not be stamped out because someone with deeper pocket books thinks it shouldn't. If they have the money to do that, then I'd say not enough people are pirating their stuff and more need to so they mind their own business.

 

[JSt0rm]

Copying a bluray is infinitely easier then running a printing press. That's the problem. The steps it takes to copy a bluray put your clan tag on a torrent and upload it into the beyond from your netflix bluray subscription is easier than making dinner.

 

[JSt0rm]

I honestly think everything should die except streaming encoded content or theaters. I know that's not reality with the shit internet infrastructure and data caps those who live in monopoly shave to deal with but it should be going forward the way out of this mess.

 

[poofyhairguy]

You will never have a spotify for video. You will have amazon prime, hulu, netflix, hbo, showtime, starz and many other services. You then pick who makes the content you like and subscribe. Or subscribe to several or all of them.

I plan to. The question is what will the end result be for "everything" (aka all the services that matter in total) in say $10 years? I say $75 a month.

The steps it takes to copy a bluray put your clan tag on a torrent and upload it into the beyond from your netflix bluray subscription is easier than making dinner.

And all of that is harder than ripping it off of iTunes, or just finding some else's illegal streaming site, if the goal is piracy.

 

[JSt0rm]

I dont know what it will be. Many many companies from all around the world make movies and tv shows. They will all negotiate for the most money they can for their product. Is it unreasonable for a family to spend even $150 a month on entertainment for the home?

 

[Ichinisan]

The numbers are virtually tied between online video and online subscription video.

The subscription model is better for video as you are getting paid for your work by the company. They then entice you with that content and sell subscriptions. This is the future.

As for music, you know people aren't buying portishead. They are streaming it. But I like how you changed your tune when you realized the artists aren't getting shit. Now it is about dc sales from exposure, ok then what do your charts show again? Lol

*I* am buying Portishead. Massive Attack too.

 

[JSt0rm]

Good. You should. It's an absolute travesty we cant have professional musicians making a good living. Now let me ask you how many portisheads never were because the money wasn't right? How many nirvanas and eagles? How much music was never realized because that industry imploded? People complain that they only make music for prepubescent bums and never realize the why in that. It's sad.

 

[CZroe]

Thats very inaccurate. Radio is not on demand. Modern day streaming is. Back in the days of radio you would buy the lp or tape to continue listening when you want. Today you create a playlist and go with that.

I love buying music online. I buy mp3 albums every week. I do stream music off of youtube. People give their entire albums away now in the hopes you will buy it. I buy it.

You do realize that the streaming stats include curated Apple Music radio stations, Pandora, and other forms of streaming that are not per-track "on demand," right?

 

[JSt0rm]

You do realize that the streaming stats include curated Apple Music radio stations, Pandora, and other forms of streaming that are not per-track "on demand," right?

And it also includes on demand. Get back to the bus and leave this along.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Good. You should. It's an absolute travesty we cant have professional musicians making a good living. Now let me ask you how many portisheads never were because the money wasn't right? How many nirvanas and eagles? How much music was never realized because that industry imploded? People complain that they only make music for prepubescent bums and never realize the why in that. It's sad.

Yeah I'm sure there won't be nobody making good music anymore now that it is far easier than ever to record and distribute to cater to any taste possible.

You and your ilk are just the same group who would bemoan the free market only when it's working against you.

 

[ControlD]

I don't think there has ever been a better time for new music. I guess it depends on what your tastes are. There is a ton a great metal being made these days and plenty of new distribution models as well.

There are plenty of bands doing well, but the music business has always been tough. The cream still rises to the top and the rest will still barely scrape by same as it always has been.

 

[CZroe]

And it also includes on demand. Get back to the bus and leave this along.

Oh, man! He referenced something I was doing in another thread! He sure told me off!

...and yet you STILL did not address the fact that it is comparable. A huge portion of streaming is not per-track on-demand.

 

[JoeBleed]

The music industry is dead and streaming video content is the future. Spotify is not producing music. They are picking on the dead carcass that is the music industry and making money while leaving artist with making something like 2000 a year. Lol.



The music industry stopped making real music when you all started taking it for free. You got it backwards.

Teen girls buy music. Low income people buy music. Gee I wonder why that's the music you hear. You literally made my point. Congrats.



Yup. What's my bias? Wanting to be paid for my labor and investment?

errr.... main point of my post is the targeted music. the younger and lower income people are probably more likely to pirate the music. some parents will buy it for them, but going through high school and college, they were the ones to pirate more. As i, and others, got older and earned more money, we bought the things we pirated before because we were broke. I don't like thinking about how much money i have in CDs, DVDs, and now Blu-rays. I don't like Blu-ray players so i use(d) AnyDVD to decrypted the discs i own to watch them on a player that doesn't subject me the crappy blu-ray menus. If people chose to use it for piracy, go after the ones doing the pirating, not the legit/fair use users or the people that make fair use possible. I regret not getting the latest version before their site went down. but at least i have the second most recent and will continue using it. It works for everything i currently own.

On to the spotify comment. i say you're 100% full of yourself and shit. If the artists don't make any money from spotify, then it's the contracts they have with their record labels. Or are you going to tell me that spotify is piracy that's actively up, running, and charging for service and hasn't been shuttered?

You hint at being in the "business". What do you do exactly?

 

[BxgJ]

Isn't this the same argument we've had over cassette recorders, cd's, etc. etc. etc., with every new technology predicted to be the end of the 'industry'?