Goodbye SlySoft and AnyDVD

[JSt0rm]

Yeah I'm sure there won't be nobody making good music anymore now that it is far easier than ever to record and distribute to cater to any taste possible.

You and your ilk are just the same group who would bemoan the free market only when it's working against you.

There is lots of good music being made. But you wont see any big marketing push behind stuff and you will see great musicians do something else in the industry rather then burn rubber trying to make it as an artist.

Oh, man! He referenced something I was doing in another thread! He sure told me off!

...and yet you STILL did not address the fact that it is comparable. A huge portion of streaming is not per-track on-demand.

A ton of it is on demand. Are you crazy? here is the bullet points of spotify service:

• Shuffle play
• Ad free
• Unlimited skips
• Listen offline
• Play any track
• High quality audio

errr.... main point of my post is the targeted music. the younger and lower income people are probably more likely to pirate the music. some parents will buy it for them, but going through high school and college, they were the ones to pirate more. As i, and others, got older and earned more money, we bought the things we pirated before because we were broke. I don't like thinking about how much money i have in CDs, DVDs, and now Blu-rays. I don't like Blu-ray players so i use(d) AnyDVD to decrypted the discs i own to watch them on a player that doesn't subject me the crappy blu-ray menus. If people chose to use it for piracy, go after the ones doing the pirating, not the legit/fair use users or the people that make fair use possible. I regret not getting the latest version before their site went down. but at least i have the second most recent and will continue using it. It works for everything i currently own.

On to the spotify comment. i say you're 100% full of yourself and shit. If the artists don't make any money from spotify, then it's the contracts they have with their record labels. Or are you going to tell me that spotify is piracy that's actively up, running, and charging for service and hasn't been shuttered?

You hint at being in the "business". What do you do exactly?

Those groups I mentioned do buy music. 9-14 year old girls and low income people. This is why the industry still makes music for them. You can say it isnt so but thats your ignorant position on the matter.

spotify is losing some new artists because they pay so low. The issue is most artist dont have the clout to not be on spotify.

As for what I do what does it matter? You would just use that information to attack me. Not sure why it is relevant.

 

[Homerboy]

Good. You should. It's an absolute travesty we cant have professional musicians making a good living. Now let me ask you how many portisheads never were because the money wasn't right? How many nirvanas and eagles? How much music was never realized because that industry imploded? People complain that they only make music for prepubescent bums and never realize the why in that. It's sad.

How many Nirvanas and Eagles were never realized when the barriers to making/recording/distributing music were virtually impossible to overcome due to big business and hard-copy distribution models being in the way?

Digital streaming and technology have opened the doors for COUNTLESS musicians and artists that wanted to get their talents out into the world but simply could not in the past due to the physical and business hurdles that stood in their way.

When I was younger and in the music scene everything was word of mouth, maybe a printed 'zine picked up at the local record store. Copies of copies of copies of a tape that may have made it's way from the east coast to my neck of the woods. I had many friends in bands and they struggled and died on the vine.

Nowadays, it's ridiculous how easy it is for a band to spread their art... hell look at Bieber who started on YouTube. No YouTube, no Bieber... hmmm wait a minute... :\

 

[CZroe]

A ton of it is on demand. Are you crazy? here is the bullet points of spotify service:

• Shuffle play
• Ad free
• Unlimited skips
• Listen offline
• Play any track
• High quality audio

You have a SERIOUS comprehension problem.

 

[JSt0rm]

How many Nirvanas and Eagles were never realized when the barriers to making/recording/distributing music were virtually impossible to overcome due to big business and hard-copy distribution models being in the way?

Digital streaming and technology have opened the doors for COUNTLESS musicians and artists that wanted to get their talents out into the world but simply could not in the past due to the physical and business hurdles that stood in their way.

When I was younger and in the music scene everything was word of mouth, maybe a printed 'zine picked up at the local record store. Copies of copies of copies of a tape that may have made it's way from the east coast to my neck of the woods. I had many friends in bands and they struggled and died on the vine.

Nowadays, it's ridiculous how easy it is for a band to spread their art... hell look at Bieber who started on YouTube. No YouTube, no Bieber... hmmm wait a minute... :\

You will always find outliers.

You have a SERIOUS comprehension problem.

I do? I just showed you that you were wrong. I get it. You have been triggered and now you just want to fight the evil liberal hollywood type.

 

[sactoking]

I don't own a lot of DVDs (and no Blu-Ray) but the ones I do own I watch fairly often; I like to have them on in the background while I do other things. I have used some of them so much that they've warped or otherwise become unusable and had to be replaced.

The ones I do own I've decided to rip and store on my PC so I can watch them through my Roku. What's morally wrong with that?

I've found that streaming services aren't adequate. There's no guarantee that Netflix, Amazon, Hulu etc. will have the few movies I want to watch at any given time due to licensing constraints. I encounter it even with my kids. They like watching Wild Kratts and Daniel Tiger but even with access/subscriptions to Netflix, Amazon, Hulu and PBS Kids simultaneously as well as a DVR for PBS broadcast I may have access to no more than 6-8 episodes of either show. And heaven forbid they want to watch the koala episode of Wild Kratts only to find that their choices are tazmanian devil, wild turkey, anteater, crocodile, giraffe and caracal. I'd rather just buy the show on disk and put it on my computer so they can watch it as they see fit. If I've paid for the disks what's the harm in that?

 

[CZroe]

Thats very inaccurate. Radio is not on demand. Modern day streaming is. Back in the days of radio you would buy the lp or tape to continue listening when you want. Today you create a playlist and go with that.

You do realize that the streaming stats include curated Apple Music radio stations, Pandora, and other forms of streaming that are not per-track "on demand," right?

And it also includes on demand.

...and yet you STILL did not address the fact that it is comparable. A huge portion of streaming is not per-track on-demand.

A ton of it is on demand. Are you crazy? here is the bullet points of spotify service:

• Shuffle play
• Ad free
• Unlimited skips
• Listen offline
• Play any track
• High quality audio

You have a SERIOUS comprehension problem.

I do? I just showed you that you were wrong. I get it. You have been triggered and now you just want to fight the evil liberal hollywood type.

Mind pointing out where I said something that was wrong and you corrected me? I told you that we can compare streaming to radio because a HUGE portion of streaming is curated and delivered in a way that is not on-demand, like radio. Absolutely no where did I say that there weren't streaming services that let you pick a track to listen. Guess what? Just like radio, artists get paid for THOSE listeners too. You're also ignoring that radio actually has a little something called a "request line."

Once again: You have a SERIOUS comprehension problem. I called it out when you ignored the valid part of the comparison.
As if responding to your post about per-track streaming without refuting that it exists wasn't acknowledgement enough, my response only makes sense when you understand that I do not refute it:
"A huge portion of streaming is not per-track on-demand."

Your response is to continue IGNORING that "huge portion" while pretending that I do not acknowledge the portion you are talking about. This is a classic way to deflect the point by finding a small difference and ignoring everything else that is directly comparable. We're dealing with a classic genius here, folks.

 

[pcslookout]

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[JSt0rm]

Mind pointing out where I said something that was wrong and you corrected me? I told you that we can compare streaming to radio because a HUGE portion of streaming is curated and delivered in a way that is not on-demand, like radio. Absolutely no where did I say that there weren't streaming services that let you pick a track to listen. Guess what? Just like radio, artists get paid for THOSE listeners too. You're also ignoring that radio actually has a little something called a "request line."

Once again: You have a SERIOUS comprehension problem. I called it out when you ignored the valid part of the comparison.
As if responding to your post about per-track streaming without refuting that it exists wasn't acknowledgement enough, my response only makes sense when you understand that I do not refute it:
"A huge portion of streaming is not per-track on-demand."

Your response is to continue IGNORING that "huge portion" while pretending that I do not acknowledge the portion you are talking about. This is a classic way to deflect the point by finding a small difference and ignoring everything else that is directly comparable. We're dealing with a classic genius here, folks.

you are fucking retarded. Just because you say a huge portion is streaming only you think you have some checkmate debate? I say streaming leads to unicorn butt and will kill you.

The point is people have the choices to stream whatever the fuck they want. They dont need to buy cds or mp3s anymore.

And you want to argue over the word use "portion"


fucking retard.

 

[CZroe]

They were probably not making much money from new sales, so this is probably just a way to force everyone to buy a new key. If they open back up for business under a different name and require everyone to buy a new key, then I be pissed, but I'm sure I'll break down and pay for it. I will not get a lifetime key though.

Apparently not. Surprisingly, it works with the existing license, which is odd because it's hard to demonstrate compliance with the AACS LA settlement or whatever if someone is using your license key database to continue developing the product.

 

[CZroe]

you are fucking retarded. Just because you say a huge portion is streaming only you think you have some checkmate debate? I say streaming leads to unicorn butt and will kill you.

The point is people have the choices to stream whatever the fuck they want. They dont need to buy cds or mp3s anymore.

And you want to argue over the word use "portion"


fucking retard.

You refused to acknowledge it so you could go on ignoring the point the comparison makes.
"I dismissed it with a strawman so I can move on and no one will call me on it!"
Did you honestly expect to get away with that tactic? I pointed it out and demanded your response. You clearly don't have one OTHER than resorting to the same tactic over and over again ("...but...but...per-track on-demand streaming!"). YOU LOSE.

 

[poofyhairguy]

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As long as the talent stays dedicated that is 99% of what I care about. We need SOMEONE to crack UHD disks, and I can't do it.

 

[CZroe]

I forgot to mention why I bought AnyDVD before buying a lifetime license for the entire suite after they introduced AnyDVD HD:
I set up a Windows Media Center HTPC as soon as an OEM version of Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 became available to buy. The only problem: retail DVDs did not work without lowering the resolution to 800x600. My HTPC at the time was originally built for the release of Doom 3 and had a GeForce 6600GT with component output inside a Shuttle SN45G with nForce 2 + MCP-T (needed that DD Live! from SoundStorm). When playing DVDs, the WMC eHome interface would prevent playback of copy-protected DVDs when my desktop resolution was any higher than 800x600, protecting even SD DVDs from "the analog hole." I had the highest-quality home theater display you could buy (Sony SFP in an XBR 910) so I wasn't going to give up just because the DVI input was not supported for PCs.

AnyDVD allowed me to simply insert the DVD and play it with WMC's DVD decoder seeing an unencrypted DVD. It was a completely legitimate use that did not involve 1:1 copies or re-encoded rips. It continued to be useful when I had a Dell Ultrasharp 2005FPW and a Dell 2007WFP. The 2005 did not support HDCP, but I could play my stuff just fine in Vista thanks to AnyDVD. I suggested it to literally everyone who had a similar HDCP issue. Many of them also bought it. None of them were pirates either.

 

[JoeBleed]

Those groups I mentioned do buy music. 9-14 year old girls and low income people. This is why the industry still makes music for them. You can say it isnt so but thats your ignorant position on the matter.

spotify is losing some new artists because they pay so low. The issue is most artist dont have the clout to not be on spotify.

As for what I do what does it matter? You would just use that information to attack me. Not sure why it is relevant.

i don't know from a national wide point of view, i know from my local, personal point of view. that age group were using napster heavily.

spotify, still up to their labels contract. they are getting paid. and as you said, if they don't like it, they don't do it. so what's your problem with it?

what you do in the industry has relevance. mostly to see how you tie into it and how your "opinions" and "experience" are actually relevant. If you say you're an usher at a theater, then your arguments are very week and lack/show no support. If you're an exec, maybe some of your "opinions" can be counted for something and be taken seriously. anything in between, it all depends.

 

[JSt0rm]

You refused to acknowledge it so you could go on ignoring the point the comparison makes.
"I dismissed it with a strawman so I can move on and no one will call me on it!"
Did you honestly expect to get away with that tactic? I pointed it out and demanded your response. You clearly don't have one OTHER than resorting to the same tactic over and over again ("...but...but...per-track on-demand streaming!"). YOU LOSE.

I lose because you waffled? lol. Im done with you.

 

[JSt0rm]

i don't know from a national wide point of view, i know from my local, personal point of view. that age group were using napster heavily.

spotify, still up to their labels contract. they are getting paid. and as you said, if they don't like it, they don't do it. so what's your problem with it?

what you do in the industry has relevance. mostly to see how you tie into it and how your "opinions" and "experience" are actually relevant. If you say you're an usher at a theater, then your arguments are very week and lack/show no support. If you're an exec, maybe some of your "opinions" can be counted for something and be taken seriously. anything in between, it all depends.

Are you a female or lower income black male?

If not then you have no idea. You are a middle class white male probably and they stopped making music for you around 2006 I would say.

I work as a creative lead on film and television.

 

[JoeBleed]

Are you a female or lower income black male?

If not then you have no idea. You are a middle class white male probably and they stopped making music for you around 2006 I would say.

I work as a creative lead on film and television.

Again, i'm basing it off of people i knew and associated with in high school and college. they'd tell me about things they got from their other friends doing it as well. So, as you like to say that i'm ignorant about the industry, i say you're ignorant about my personal experience.

If you think the only music being made today is for young girls or low income black males, you have a small, narrow pov i'd say. or rather i should say you're targeting a narrow market. I don't doubt it's a money maker; but so are others. There is still music being made i like and buy. It's just not all going through big record labels. And i really think that's your problem. You're mad it's so much easier to bypass the people that had to be granted entrance or make a talent known widely by "someone in the biz". That i think is your whole problem with technology today. not piracy related, but the fact people in your field can be stepped around or over.

As a creative lead, you should thing broader. It will help even out the high and lows in sales/ratings. diversify your creativity.

 

[JSt0rm]

Again, i'm basing it off of people i knew and associated with in high school and college. they'd tell me about things they got from their other friends doing it as well. So, as you like to say that i'm ignorant about the industry, i say you're ignorant about my personal experience.

Your personal experience is just that. i.e its not worth much in this context.

If you think the only music being made today is for young girls or low income black males, you have a small, narrow pov i'd say.

I never said this.

or rather i should say you're targeting a narrow market. I don't doubt it's a money maker; but so are others. There is still music being made i like and buy. It's just not all going through big record labels. And i really think that's your problem. You're mad it's so much easier to bypass the people that had to be granted entrance or make a talent known widely by "someone in the biz".

If others are money makers then they would do that. Actually country music still makes money as well. Along with christian.

That i think is your whole problem with technology today. not piracy related, but the fact people in your field can be stepped around or over.

You have no idea what I do if you think I'm the person who will lose their job. lol.

As a creative lead, you should thing broader. It will help even out the high and lows in sales/ratings. diversify your creativity.

There you go. Attack me now that I kind of let you know what I do for a living - just as I said you would do.

 

[JoeBleed]

Isn't this the same argument we've had over cassette recorders, cd's, etc. etc. etc., with every new technology predicted to be the end of the 'industry'?

Yes, and we'll continue having it everytime probably....

 

[JSt0rm]

Yes, and we'll continue having it everytime probably....

Its not. You can make a 1:1 copy of whatever and share it with 6 billion people. You dont think thats an issue?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Maybe they were right all along? Maybe cassettes did kill the industry, it's why there's not been any good music since the 60's.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Its not. You can make a 1:1 copy of whatever and share it with 6 billion people. You dont think thats an issue?

It is the same argument, and always has been. It wouldn't matter if it was 'less quality' and never has mattered. If that mattered they wouldn't care that people release cams with their horrid quality.

If it weren't for advances in media that the industry doesn't 100% control or fought against with all their power, technology would be much further behind than it is.

 

[JoeBleed]

Your personal experience is just that. i.e its not worth much in this context.

I never said this.

If others are money makers then they would do that. Actually country music still makes money as well. Along with christian.

You have no idea what I do if you think I'm the person who will lose their job. lol.

There you go. Attack me now that I kind of let you know what I do for a living - just as I said you would do.

yes, i said it was personal opinion and observations. so i see no need to keep on that matter. my personal observations differ from what ever studies you're basing yours off.

you pretty much did when you said:

Are you a female or lower income black male?

If not then you have no idea. You are a middle class white male probably and they stopped making music for you around 2006 I would say.

Now you're throwing country music out there. Music is being made, sold, and profited from for many demographics. You focus(ed) only on young girls or low income black males.

I also don't think you're one that would be worried about your job. I really don't think any of them are. even if they say they are. If anything, they face a bigger chance at cut backs due to self publishing.

And i'm not attacking you with/based on the information you gave me. I really don't get how you took that as an attack.. ?? I just suggest you look wider than the scope you've mentioned. just my personal, ignorant advice. Advice that works well in any business model that needs to profit.

 

[WT]

you are fucking retarded. Just because you say a huge portion is streaming only you think you have some checkmate debate? I say streaming leads to unicorn butt and will kill you.

The point is people have the choices to stream whatever the fuck they want. They dont need to buy cds or mp3s anymore.

And you want to argue over the word use "portion"


fucking retard.

JSt0rms guide in how to win friends and influence people, chapter 2 !!!! :thumbsup:

Comedy Gold, this fella is !! Comedy gold, I tell ya, Jerry !!

J .... I feel bad for you ... PM me when you aren't calling everyone bad names and I will buy you a license when the new version shows up. Is that fair enough ?

 

[JoeBleed]

Its not. You can make a 1:1 copy of whatever and share it with 6 billion people. You dont think thats an issue?

using it for my on use, not there is not problem with that. but due to industry bought DRM, i need software to bypass it for my use.

Sharing it, when not legally setup to do so with the content provider, yes, i have a problem with that. I never said i didn't. Didn't say i was innocent of doing such things when i was young and broke. Well, i never ripped stuff i had and shared it. I did digitally download things that weren't paid for at one point in time. I also copied tapes and CDs. Recorded TV.

Have you never copied a tape, CD, or recorded anything off of TV? Ever had a super bowl party at work with a bunch of people? If so, you were either breaking the law, or would have been had the tv/movie/recording industry had their way.

Fair use is great and needed. but we need something to be able to copy copy protected material. Material that i think shouldn't be protected to begin with. There will always be ways around it. Usually you're making it harder on legitimate customers. Even back when i did download some things with out paying, i owned several games and used cracks or CloneCD to play it with out the hassle of having my precious disc in the drive and moving it around all the time just to launch it. Then there is the shit that is Blu-ray.... not to mention the forced preview and ad viewing on DVDs that i bought.

 

[JoeBleed]

forgot to mention. don't wan to edit.

Don't bash and go after the user, go after the ones actually massively putting content out illegally.

In the case of busting pirates, did they ever do a sting operation on busting customers buying bootleg copies on the streets or did they focus on the people making the bootlegs?????