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JSt0rm

Lifer
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It is the same argument, and always has been. It wouldn't matter if it was 'less quality' and never has mattered. If that mattered they wouldn't care that people release cams with their horrid quality.

If it weren't for advances in media that the industry doesn't 100% control or fought against with all their power, technology would be much further behind than it is.

So you are saying making cassettes and uploading digital files to the internet is the same thing? Lol ok then.
 

BxgJ

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Its not. You can make a 1:1 copy of whatever and share it with 6 billion people. You dont think thats an issue?

That would fall under one of the 'etc's' in my post.... the internet isn't exactly new, and neither is the ability to copy media.

Guess the only solution is to shut down the internet!

/s
 

ControlD

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Its not. You can make a 1:1 copy of whatever and share it with 6 billion people. You dont think thats an issue?

Yes that is an issue.

Do you have a problem with people making 1:1 copies of BR disks that they own, strictly for their own use? I'm not down with people ripping movies and putting them on the net either by the way.
 

BxgJ

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Yes that is an issue.

Do you have a problem with people making 1:1 copies of BR disks that they own, strictly for their own use? I'm not down with people ripping movies and putting them on the net either by the way.

Yes piracy is an issue, but the ability to share isn't new was my point.

Agree with the rest.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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Why exactly, if I might ask?

So if a disk is DRM free you have no problem with someone making a 1:1 copy for personal use?

Why? Because it only takes 1 person to upload it and that destroys the value of the content as it is now free for those willing to steal.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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I lose because you waffled? lol. Im done with you.

More comprehension issues. Told you FROM THE START that a huge portion of free streaming was not on-demand per-track streaming and, thus, it is comparable to radio. Somehow you got it in your head that said something different? Where did I say anything different? Is being "done with" me how you deal with not finding the contradiction you thought was there?!

Its not. You can make a 1:1 copy of whatever and share it with 6 billion people. You dont think thats an issue?


The ABILITY to do it is not an issue. The ACT of doing it is an issue.

So you are saying making cassettes and uploading digital files to the internet is the same thing? Lol ok then.


The only one making false equivalence a here is you. Making a personal copy of a disc you own for your own purposes is not the same thing as uploading it to the Internet and sharing indiscriminately. I have never uploaded a single one of my BD/DVD rips for someone else and yet you conflate what I do with that.

I have a problem with them circumventing drm.

I have a problem with circumventing the DRM being considered illegal. I should have the right to a backup.

Why exactly, if I might ask?

So if a disk is DRM free you have no problem with someone making a 1:1 copy for personal use?

Good question. I encounter commercial DVDs with no encryption more often than you might think. One example was the mini-DVD with extreme sports stuff included with the Wal-Mart exclusive version of 1080 Avalanche on GameCube.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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Stop quoting me retard. I'm done discussing anything with your rural pea brain.
 

poofyhairguy

Lifer
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Why? Because it only takes 1 person to upload it and that destroys the value of the content as it is now free for those willing to steal.

But that one person who shares and ruins value for the lolz can just go to another source. Quite frankly iTunes usually has releases first so that logically means the first HD pirate copies on the internet come from there. Therefore it seems like you would be against streaming more than Blu Ray ripping if you really wanted to cut down on piracy. The only pirate Blu Ray ripping benefits is a super picky pirate, a hypothetical person that drops thousands into hardware but nothing into media. Can't be a lot of people by definition.

And that doesn't even consider Cinavia. I would argue out of all potential sources for pirate copies Blu Rays are the best source to be on the net from the perspective of media companies because of that form of DRM. Thanks to Cinavia a Blu Ray rip BREAKS on a lot of common consumer hardware. It's a bitch to get around it, and the only way to do it degrades the audio (which the picky pirate wouldn't like). That perfect 1:1 copy is still protected at some level.

Doesn't make stealing right, but it makes me feel as long as it's so easy for pirates to rip off sources like iTunes legit owners of Blu Ray should have a way to back them up.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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His argument is literally "I don't think something should be against the law so I won't follow that law".

- a pants shitting retard.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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But that one person who shares and ruins value for the lolz can just go to another source. Quite frankly iTunes usually has releases first so that logically means the first HD pirate copies on the internet come from there. Therefore it seems like you would be against streaming more than Blu Ray ripping if you really wanted to cut down on piracy. The only pirate Blu Ray ripping benefits is a super picky pirate, a hypothetical person that drops thousands into hardware but nothing into media. Can't be a lot of people by definition.

And that doesn't even consider Cinavia. I would argue out of all potential sources for pirate copies Blu Rays are the best source to be on the net from the perspective of media companies because of that form of DRM. Thanks to Cinavia a Blu Ray rip BREAKS on a lot of common consumer hardware. It's a bitch to get around it, and the only way to do it degrades the audio (which the picky pirate wouldn't like). That perfect 1:1 copy is still protected at some level.

Doesn't make stealing right, but it makes me feel as long as it's so easy for pirates to rip off sources like iTunes legit owners of Blu Ray should have a way to back them up.

I didn't realize iTunes was hacked. I guess some work needs to be done there to stop people from stealing. This doesn't mean we shouldn't stop it on all fronts.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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His argument is literally "I don't think something should be against the law so I won't follow that law".

- a pants shitting retard.

No. His argument is: "DMCA's restriction on circumventing copy protection contradicts fair use law."

Hoping the DMCA gets repealed or replaced in the near future. Fat chance now that people like you have already started accepting the over-reaching parts of it.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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No. His argument is: "DMCA's restriction on circumventing copy protection contradicts fair use law."

You are free to make a bluray copy of your bluray. That is fair use.

You bought a bluray. You didn't buy a file for your computer.
 

JoeBleed

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Why? Because it only takes 1 person to upload it and that destroys the value of the content as it is now free for those willing to steal.

this is where and why i think the projected figures they use for piracy impact is off. because the people willing to steal, aren't likely to ever buy it regardless.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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No. His argument is: "DMCA's restriction on circumventing copy protection contradicts fair use law."

Hoping the DMCA gets repealed or replaced in the near future. Fat chance now that people like you have already started accepting the over-reaching parts of it.

Yes people like me who want to get paid for my work. How dare I. I should do it for free because I love it. Just like you guys should keep the shit pipes of the internet running for me for free because you love the internet.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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I didn't realize iTunes was hacked. I guess some work needs to be done there to stop people from stealing. This doesn't mean we shouldn't stop it on all fronts.

Wow. You speak like you're such an authority on these matters. You seem to think AnyDVD leads to the majority of this pirate content online.

Surprise! Most of these have nothing to do with AnyDVD. The overwhelming majority of AnyDVD users just want to exercise their fair use rights without committing copyright infringement and without re-distributing copyrighted works.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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Stop quoting me retard. I'm done discussing anything with your rural pea brain.

LOL! Looks like you're totally busted.

Now: it's kinda cute watching you repeatedly try to impugn me by insulting good rural people and hillbillies but you're barking up the wrong tree:
The most time I have ever spent in a rural/hillbilly area was 4 months. I was less than half my current age. Trying to find an access number to get online after getting used to living in the world's largest local calling area made me appreciate how easy I had it. I couldn't wait to get back to civilization.

My earliest memories were living in St. Thomas, USVI. From there I moved to metro Atlanta, then San Diego, then metro Atlanta again. Sorry to disappoint you, but you really should stop making assumptions about others. It's the root of all your problems in this thread.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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this is where and why i think the projected figures they use for piracy impact is off. because the people willing to steal, aren't likely to ever buy it regardless.

That's false. Those people have created a pattern of not buying and continue that. Barring piracy they would purchase as they are still consumers of the content.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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Yes people like me who want to get paid for my work. How dare I. I should do it for free because I love it. Just like you guys should keep the shit pipes of the internet running for me for free because you love the internet.

Fair use personal backups are causing you financial harm?
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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LOL! Looks like you're totally busted.

Now: it's kinda cute watching you repeatedly try to impugn me by insulting good rural people and hillbillies but you're barking up the wrong tree:
The most time I have ever spent in a rural/hillbilly area was 4 months. I was less than half my current age. Trying to find an access number to get online after getting used to living in the world's largest local calling area made me appreciate how easy I had it. I couldn't wait to get back to civilization.

My earliest memories were living in St. Thomas, USVI. From there I moved to metro Atlanta, then San Diego, then metro Atlanta again. Sorry to disappoint you, but you really should stop making assumptions about others. It's the root of all your problems in this thread.

Thanks for the blog post. U must be very proud.
 
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