Goodbye SlySoft and AnyDVD

[Ichinisan]

Can people pirate netflix and amazon prime content?

There have been numerous methods for this over the years. I recall reading about an iOS jailbreak tweak that let you save practically any video source with original quality (1:1, no reencoding). iTunes rentals, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, HBO Go, ...anything.

I'm sure things like that get routinely blocked with system updates and app updates, but it's a cat-and-mouse game.

I take the moral high ground and don't even experiment with things like that. I support content producers with my wallet...enthusiastically.

My physical media now has lower perceived value to me if I don't have the freedom to use tools like AnyDVD with it.

Lower perceived value affects my eagerness to consume. Less money for you.

 

[CZroe]

No. Digital copies being pirated are causing me financial harm. Fair use back up of a bluray is another bluray.

Not only is that EXACTLY what AnyDVD allows you to do, but how would your logic apply to Compaq copying the IBM PC BIOS to reverse engineer it and then make a legal clone? It had to exist as an intermediary file. By your standards, it's simply illegal. Compaq had a team of lawyers to make sure that not even a single byte of IBM's copyrighted BIOS was copied into their compatible clone. They even isolated the teams disassembling the old BIOS and the teams writing the new BIOS.

Don't tell me that no one considers it a protection to be circumvented. Around 1999, while the DMCA was being pushed closer and closer, Nintendo out-right claimed that ROM chips were a form of copy protection and that your right to a backup only applied to software on discs/disks. Now that their software products are published on discs and are more fragile than ever, our right to back them up has been taken away by the DMCA.

I have a problem with that.

Sony is another example. They claimed that they had no way to predict that CD-RS would ever exist and that putting music on read-only CD was a form of copy protection. They stopped arguing that soon after they realized that it wasn't CD-RS that they had to worry about. They created all kinds of audio CD copy protections including root kits and the one that was easily defeated with a Sharpie marker. Their efforts created all kinds of problems and repair bills for Mac users who popped them in their slot load drives and found that they could no longer eject the disc. According to you, those users should have never tried to rip the disc to put it on their iPod. I guess they just should have pirated it then?

 

[CZroe]

Bullshit. Fair-use doesn't say disc-to-disc is the only valid use case.



Also, disc-to-disc would require me to circumvent the encryption in exactly the same manner. Did you know that?

Especially with CD to MP3 being a perfectly apt example.

 

[JSt0rm]

Why don't you want to buy off a service? iTunes movies and prime? Super convenient and works well. Looks good, sounds good.

 

[CZroe]

Would it? I didn't know. I assume you could copy a bluray to a bluray-r

Not without AnyDVD removing the protection in real time, genius.

 

[Ichinisan]

Ok I think people should be able to make a bluray copy of a bluray.

Then you're OK with them using a tool like AnyDVD, which is necessary to make a disc-to-disc backup for 99.9% of all retail Blu-Ray discs.

 

[Ichinisan]

Can people pirate netflix streams?

Yes. Check one of my previous 2 posts.

AnyDVD not required.

 

[JoeBleed]

I don't know what sneaker net is.

As for your questions I must of missed them. As you can see I am being dog piled by like 10 people because I have views that don't allow for thieves to take my work.

Sneaker net is how you moved files before LANs. IE: you copy files to a floppy disk or tape, walk it over to another computer(s) and copy them onto them. or just work on the file on the portable storage medium and keep passing it around for edits, changes, approvals.

Scroll back up for my questions. I'll wait. but i'll also say, it isn't so much as people here think we should be able to take content that we didn't pay for. It's more that you are calling us all theives with out even knowing or asking us how we use it. And apparently you don't even understand how disc copy protection works. So how can you under stand our needs for fair use?

 

[CZroe]

Why don't you want to buy off a service? iTunes movies and prime? Super convenient and works well. Looks good, sounds good.

Because then I LOSE functionality. Tangibility is the BIGGEST reason to buy physical media. I can't sell, loan, or give away my digital copy. My brother would have gone home empty-handed instead of having 12 BDs I wanted to give him.

 

[JSt0rm]

Then you're OK with them using a tool like AnyDVD, which is necessary to make a disc-to-disc backup for 99.9% of all retail Blu-Ray discs.

I think there should be a new tool to allow a couple copies of the bluray. Obviously you don't want copy farms in Asia making 1 million copies of the new dumb super hero movie.

 

[JSt0rm]

Because then I LOSE functionality. Tangibility is the BIGGEST reason to buy physical media. I can't sell, loan, or give away my digital copy. My brother would have gone home empty-handed instead of having 12 BDs I wanted to give him.

Why do you think you are entitled to anything aside from the bluray u bought? If you don't like the terms don't buy. Don't steal either. Don't consume any content.

That's the thing though. You want the content. You just don't want to pay for it.

 

[JoeBleed]

Not acceptable? Then don't buy the thing if you don't like the terms.

The terms don't cover fair use. a down sampled copy isn't fair use. It's an attempt to shut the masses up. the ones that are fine with watching 240p youtube. the ones that are fine with watching hand camera footage from a movie theater...

 

[CZroe]

I don't know what sneaker net is.



As for your questions I must of missed them. As you can see I am being dog piled by like 10 people because I have views that don't allow for thieves to take my work.

"Sneaker"
A kind of shoe.
"Net"
Short for network.

You are being dog piled for thinking you know what AnyDVD is and accusing its users of being filthy pirates. I am as anti-piracy as they come, but breaking copy protection IS NOT piracy. Period.

 

[Ichinisan]

Why don't you want to buy off a service? iTunes movies and prime? Super convenient and works well. Looks good, sounds good.

I want maximum quality. I want all the featurettes. I want the subtitles. I want to watch it on every device I possibly can.

I buy the best format I can buy.

I'm just a completionist/hoarder. If I ever wanted to make reviews or something, I'll have the best source material to work with.

 

[JSt0rm]

"Sneaker"
A kind of shoe.
"Net"
Short for network.

You are being dog piled for thinking you know what AnyDVD is and accusing it's users of being filthy pirates. I am as anti-piracy as they come, but breaking copy protection IS NOT piracy. Period.

I'm being dog piled because I'm against piracy in a sea of pirates. Everybody know people who work with computers are the least likely to buy content. It makes sense this forum would be full of those people. Now the forum has a policy against open sharing of these things but it's still there.

 

[CZroe]

I think there should be a new tool to allow a couple copies of the bluray. Obviously you don't want copy farms in Asia making 1 million copies of the new dumb super hero movie.

Oh! But wait! I thought you were supposed to laugh at people for wanting things that don't exist! That's certainly how you behaved when we said that personal backups should be Fair Use.

 

[CZroe]

Why do you think you are entitled to anything aside from the bluray u bought? If you don't like the terms don't buy. Don't steal either. Don't consume any content.



That's the thing though. You want the content. You just don't want to pay for it.

There you go again.

I DON'T STEAL.

Not in ANY sense of the word.

Breaking copy protection for a product I own so I can view it on a monitor without HDCP *IS NOT PIRACY.*

Ripping it and putting it on my phone *IS NOT PIRACY.*

Making a backup so I can stow away the original disc *IS NOT PIRACY.*

It's unauthorized use. It's unauthorized use that was only made technically illegal AFTER I was using the format. You know what else is "unauthorized use?" Fair Use. Fair Use is why I don't need to get permission to rip my music CD to my smart phone regardless of what the copyright holder says.

 

[Ichinisan]

I want maximum quality. I want all the featurettes. I want the subtitles. I want to watch it on every device I possibly can.

I buy the best format I can buy.

I'm just a completionist/hoarder. If I ever wanted to make reviews or something, I'll have the best source material to work with.

I rented Prometheus on at least 3 different digital distribution about 1.5 years ago. I just got one of my relatives (older half-brother) into movies while he was visiting for 2 months. Before then he never liked movies or TV because he never experienced them the right way. I got him hooked on sci-fi action movies from my collection. He wanted to watch Prometheus because it was part of the Alien series that we had watched, but I didn't own it. I was VERY disappointed with the experience of trying to rent the movie from various services. I tried Vudu first because they supposedly had a higher quality option. There was no way to get it on my TV in HD, even though I own a variety of streaming devices. I tried to watch in the web browser and there was no way to get subtitles (we are all hard of hearing) or HD. I never even got to ask for refunds on those services that didn't work out.

I wouldn't even consider digital purchases for my future collecting until these services get their acts together...and when I have the same features and freedoms I enjoyed with physical media.

 

[JoeBleed]

Why don't you want to buy off a service? iTunes movies and prime? Super convenient and works well. Looks good, sounds good.

to me, and i don't consider myself an audio/videophile, the streaming quality isn't up the the quality i've come to expect and want. Not to mention i'm stuck on 6 Mb dsl. 1080 low bit-rate streaming is the limit for me. assuming i don't need to do anything else with the internet.

iTunes audio maybe, but i don't care fore the DRM OR apple in general anymore. iTunes is a whole other level of crap.

maybe you'd like to know i do use the amazon prime music app on my tablet and phone since i have prime. make you feel any better? granted it's still mostly of stuff i own and have copied over from my own rips. with just a little bit of stuff from prime's online library.

 

[Ichinisan]

I think there should be a new tool to allow a couple copies of the bluray. Obviously you don't want copy farms in Asia making 1 million copies of the new dumb super hero movie.

Even a disc-to-disc copy (not possible without something like AnyDVD) won't necessarily play on a Cinavia compliant player. That's why people archive their movies onto a network drive on the home LAN and stream to apps like Plex.

 

[JoeBleed]

I think there should be a new tool to allow a couple copies of the bluray. Obviously you don't want copy farms in Asia making 1 million copies of the new dumb super hero movie.

But see, the copy farms are the ones the authorities need to go after. not the companies that allow us to make our backup copy.

one of my other questions that was missed. Have they ever setup a sting operation trying to bust people buying boot leg disks??

 

[Ichinisan]

Why do you think you are entitled to anything aside from the bluray u bought? If you don't like the terms don't buy. Don't steal either. Don't consume any content.

That's the thing though. You want the content. You just don't want to pay for it.

Oh no. CZroe and I pay for content. We pay so much for it, you should be thanking us. We are your golden consumers, but you're here calling us "thieves."

 

[Ichinisan]

Not acceptable? Then don't buy the thing if you don't like the terms.

Hmm. The terms and usage scenario options...

That's why I buy physical media instead of digital / online versions.

 

[CZroe]

I rented Prometheus on at least 3 different digital distribution about 1.5 years ago. I just got one of my relatives (older half-brother) into movies while he was visiting for 2 months. Before then he never liked movies or TV because he never experienced them the right way. I got him hooked on sci-fi action movies from my collection. He wanted to watch Prometheus because it was part of the Alien series that we had watched, but I didn't own it. I was VERY disappointed with the experience of trying to rent the movie from various services. I tried Vudu first because they supposedly had a higher quality option. There was no way to get it on my TV in HD, even though I own a variety of streaming devices. I tried to watch in the web browser and there was no way to get subtitles (we are all hard of hearing) or HD. I never even got to ask for refunds on those services that didn't work out.

I wouldn't even consider digital purchases for my future collecting until these services get their acts together...and when I have the same features and freedoms I enjoyed with physical media.

Oh man, I remember that fiasco. That along with paying extra for an HD version on my PS3 only to get an SD version has totally soured me. Just because it's good enough for some people doesn't mean it's good enough for me.

Now, I can't recall if it was Screen Junkies/Honest Trailers or RedLetterMedia or Nostalgia Critic, but one of them recently made it clear that they couldn't get the footage they needed from a particular movie yet because the Blu-Ray had not been released yet. This was confirmation of what I already knew: almost all of the HD Fair Use reviews, analyses, and parody videos on YouTube for already released content (undoubtedly Fair Use, BTW), source their content from the BD, which means they have to use tools like these. That's why their discussions of movies currently in theaters just have clips from the trailers.

Oh! And downloading those trailers to edit into their undeniably Fair Use review was just as technically illegal as breaking the protection with AnyDVD! Yes: Google does not officially want you downloading ANYTHING from YouTube in a way you can use in your own video. They allow offline caching in certain circumstances, but that doesn't just load up in Sony Vegas or iMovie or whatever. You simply have to circumvent for Fair Use.

 

[JoeBleed]

I'm being dog piled because I'm against piracy in a sea of pirates. Everybody know people who work with computers are the least likely to buy content. It makes sense this forum would be full of those people. Now the forum has a policy against open sharing of these things but it's still there.

haha, i knew someone that didn't own a computer, but was involved in satellite piracy. I say it because he died a while ago. can't put him in jail. Nor was it large scale. Can't explain with out telling how to do it. Computers aren't needed. They can be used and can help, but they aren't needed. Well, they weren't 8 years ago. Someone on another forum suggested people steal cable the same way. I don't think it's possible with cable.

No, i don't steal satellite or cable. hell i can't get cable out here. if i could i'd have cable internet. DirectTV pissed me off many years ago. Dish just sucks from what i've seen at my parents house.