Goodbye SlySoft and AnyDVD

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alan1476

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I would happily turn a blind eye to it myself but it's probably hard to ignore for the authorities who notice that the license files were never publicly cracked (no keygens) and yet somehow someone else's product is able to validate existing licenses.

It's safest NOT to support existing licenses. I wouldn't complain because I think it's an acceptable reason to charge me again and they are the victims here anyway. They are fighting the good fight IMO and deserve a revenue stream.

Who are the authorities
The AACS-LA does not rule the world. and who cares if they notice, of course they are going to notice. As you say it might be safest not support existing licenses, that was just a thought, they are many ways to skin a cat. I am not giving up hope something or someone will come along and make you happy. I am just looking at this whole situation in a different light than most. Its only been 2 days. Lets give them a chance, can we agree on that?
 

CZroe

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Who are the authorities The AACS-LA does not rule the world. and who cares if they notice, of course they are going to notice. As you say it might be safest not support existing licenses, that was just a thought, they are many ways to skin a cat. I am not giving up hope something or someone will come along and make you happy. I am just looking at this whole situation in a different light than most. Its only been 2 days. Lets give them a chance, can we agree on that?

I wasn't talking about the AACS in particular. "The authorities" are the ones who enforce laws wherever they happen to be. My brother is saying that the recent verdict was something like $5K and 6 months I jail for each license but I read something about $11,000 fine as if that was all.

If they can find a place that has different laws and they don't have to fear association, great, but I already incorrectly assumed they had a long-term safe haven after they continued operations for so long last time. How long will the next safe haven last? It can only happen faster if they needlessly identify with the previous company or recognize its licenses. Best to have as few links to the company that has already exhausted every legal appeal.

Nothing I say has any bearing on them so they're free to do whatever they want in the coming days, including things I think would be risky. I just figure that if it's logical then they are probably following the same logic.
 
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alan1476

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All I can say is there are still places on earth, yes this planet, that do not have these laws. Enough said. Thanks for a great converstion.
 

CZroe

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All I can say is there are still places on earth, yes this planet, that do not have these laws. Enough said. Thanks for a great converstion.

It's fun to imagine what they might do! Thanks for going down that road with me.
 

pcslookout

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So does anyone know if the free Virtual Clone Drive will keep working or must I switch to Alcohol 120% or DAEMON Tools ?
 

StrangerGuy

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Nah, people who pirate don't sink their time into this kind of effort, let alone pay $120 for software. They just get everything instantly with no DRM or hassle and don't have to worry about it.

Keep the hammer down MPAA you're doing a great job.

Lol, pay $120 software when they don't even want an optical drive?

It's hilariously how much easier casual pirates have it AND also have the much objectively superior product.
 

JSt0rm

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Nah, people who pirate don't sink their time into this kind of effort, let alone pay $120 for software. They just get everything instantly with no DRM or hassle and don't have to worry about it.

Keep the hammer down MPAA you're doing a great job.

doubtful. I bet a lot of people have a 2 bluray plan with netflix and strip every rental that comes in. This would be the easy way to get a giant movie collection with no data movement. Anyways glad that is over.
 

JSt0rm

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Lol, pay $120 software when they don't even want an optical drive?

It's hilariously how much easier casual pirates have it AND also have the much objectively superior product.


Thieves have it easier until they dont. Thats been the way it has been for any theft.
 

StrangerGuy

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Thieves have it easier until they dont. Thats been the way it has been for any theft.

Yeah, because piracy is theft.

Also, I'm sure there was piracy when getting pirated content was harder than simply buying legit.
 

JSt0rm

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when was getting pirated content harder then working for money and then buying it? Hmmm? IRC bots? It was still less work then, you know, work.
 

poofyhairguy

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doubtful. I bet a lot of people have a 2 bluray plan with netflix and strip every rental that comes in. This would be the easy way to get a giant movie collection with no data movement. Anyways glad that is over.

Dude, you crack me up. If someone wants to pirate Blu Rays your 2005ish suggestion of them ripping Netflix disks (why not Redbox?) is easily ten times more effort than most pirates are willing to exert. I don't understand the benefit of no data movement either, pirates just can encrypt the data on the last hop from whatever pirate haven they are downloading illegal Blu Rays from to their PC here in the states.

Thieves have it easier until they dont. Thats been the way it has been for any theft.

But this isn't making anything harder for thieves. Thieves will download a high def movie before they rip one. Or they will just stream the movie off of a pirate website. Thieves have more than just optical disks for sources of high definition movies (actually a lot off that stuff is ripped off iTunes nowadays because iTunes gets movies first). This doesn't stop pirates 1%.

What is DOES do it is makes it harder for legitimate customers of Blu Rays discs to take the information on those disks and serve them up in a more convenient and modern interface than the Blu Ray player provides. What it DOES do is hurt those who would prefer to buy media rather than rent it, or those who don't just want to watch the movies Netflix has on the service at that time.

I hate when fair use is assumed to be piracy. Real pirates are so far beyond your concept of the issue that you can't even properly speculate what would slow them down. This hurts those of us who have spent real money to invest in an optical media collection and who want to consume that media on their own terms.
 

StrangerGuy

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Dude, you crack me up. If someone wants to pirate Blu Rays your 2005ish suggestion of them ripping Netflix disks (why not Redbox?) is easily ten times more effort than most pirates are willing to exert. I don't understand the benefit of no data movement either, pirates just can encrypt the data on the last hop from whatever pirate haven they are downloading illegal Blu Rays from to their PC here in the states.



But this isn't making anything harder for thieves. Thieves will download a high def movie before they rip one. Or they will just stream the movie off of a pirate website. Thieves have more than just optical disks for sources of high definition movies (actually a lot off that stuff is ripped off iTunes nowadays because iTunes gets movies first). This doesn't stop pirates 1%.

What is DOES do it is makes it harder for legitimate customers of Blu Rays discs to take the information on those disks and serve them up in a more convenient and modern interface than the Blu Ray player provides. What it DOES do is hurt those who would prefer to buy media rather than rent it, or those who don't just want to watch the movies Netflix has on the service at that time.

I hate when fair use is assumed to be piracy. Real pirates are so far beyond your concept of the issue that you can't even properly speculate what would slow them down. This hurts those of us who have spent real money to invest in an optical media collection and who want to consume that media on their own terms.

Netflix and Steam are prime examples of how to beat pirates by offering a better product, instead of winning useless moral high horse battles (yeah I'm sure pirates will care *so* much for the opinion of knight-in-shining-anti-pirate-armor Jst0rm types) or making life for legit users as obnoxious as possible.
 
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JSt0rm

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You have no innate right to have a 1:1 copy of a bluray disk on your harddrive.

And lot of people rip rentals dude. Who the fuck you talking to? We arent dumb. Fine redbox then. So what?

This stops *some* thieves. I know this is a tech forum and full of wink wink nudge nudge. I see it. You are all assholes for stealing people's hard work. You guys are gonna keep on stealing and nothing will stop you because you are ahead of the curve. Congrats. This will stop a lot of people who are ripping blurays and returning them with their 4000 bluray hd libraries. Who the fuck is actually buying 4000 bluray movies?
 

JSt0rm

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Netflix and Steam are prime examples of how to beat pirates by offering a better product, instead of winning useless moral high horse battles (yeah I'm sure pirates will care *so* much for the opinion of knight-in-shining-anti-pirate-armor Jst0rm types) or making life for legit users as obnoxious as possible.


So your solution is you want all the content for $7 a month? lol. That doesnt cover it. sorry.
 

JSt0rm

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Its pretty easy to buy movies on amazon and itunes. I do it all the time. $20 and you have a streaming movie forever. How is that not convenient? Oh because you dont like the price. Fuck you.
 

ControlD

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Its pretty easy to buy movies on amazon and itunes. I do it all the time. $20 and you have a streaming movie forever. How is that not convenient? Oh because you dont like the price. Fuck you.

No, you have the streaming movie until it is no longer available because <pick a reason>.

I would rather own the disk and rip it to my media server to stream for myself, which is what most of us upset over AnyDVD disappearing were using it for.
 

JSt0rm

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YOU CAN BUY VIRTUALLY ANY MOVIE STREAMING FROM AMAZON AND ITUNES WITH A SINGLE CLICK!

But you want an all you can eat buffet.

Its not a fucking strawman.

You want to get paid for your work but you dont care if others get paid for theirs and think you have justified your theft because mpaa is restrictive and you are sticking it to the man.


Fucking go buy a movie on amazon.
 

JSt0rm

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No, you have the streaming movie until it is no longer available because <pick a reason>.

I would rather own the disk and rip it to my media server to stream for myself, which is what most of us upset over AnyDVD disappearing were using it for.


Thats not true. You own a digital copy on that service. Amazon isnt going anywhere. Apple isnt going anywhere.
 

JSt0rm

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No, you have the streaming movie until it is no longer available because <pick a reason>.

I would rather own the disk and rip it to my media server to stream for myself, which is what most of us upset over AnyDVD disappearing were using it for.


where do you buy your blurays and how many do you own?
 

ControlD

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where do you buy your blurays and how many do you own?

I usually buy them from Amazon or Walmart. I guess I own about 100 Blu Rays (maybe less) and I don't know how many hundreds of regular DVDs.
 
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Oyeve

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No, you have the streaming movie until it is no longer available because <pick a reason>.

I would rather own the disk and rip it to my media server to stream for myself, which is what most of us upset over AnyDVD disappearing were using it for.

Cant you just use MakeMKV?
 
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