Google Chromecast

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cronos

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OK. Now I don't feel so bad. I thought you guys were talking about being able to cast from Android Chrome browser via plex.tv/web.

I did it from my desktop Chrome, I didn't think to check from Chrome on phone/tablet. The icon doesn't show up there?

I was able to cast from my laptop via plex.tv/web page but it worked ok. But I couldn't figure out how to pause/ff/rr during a movie and how to get the subtitle working. Is there a way? I need to be able to see subtitles in movies. I have hard time watching movies without it.

The pause/ff/rr works from the movie tab that you send to chromecast. It's just showing a blank movie, but the control still works from there. The subtitle works as well but you have to set it at the movie/show page, *before* you hit play. I also suspect that there's still some bugs in the subtitle implementation. Or at least it's not complete yet. The .srt file works perfectly, but the .sub file or embedded subtitles are inconsistent, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
 

cronos

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Wow, I just found out that they changed it so plex.tv/web now won't work anymore with Chromecast unless with PlexPass.

These Plex guys used to be great, but now they're just greedy bastards!
 

ponyo

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Wow, I just found out that they changed it so plex.tv/web now won't work anymore with Chromecast unless with PlexPass.

These Plex guys used to be great, but now they're just greedy bastards!

Really? I guess I can unplug the Chromecast once again. I read they also started charging the new Roku users for the Plex app. I never cared for Plex closed and paid model. Given the choice of Plex and XBMC, I always used XBMC. I wish we had working XBMC port.
 

tHa ShIzNiT

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Wow, I just found out that they changed it so plex.tv/web now won't work anymore with Chromecast unless with PlexPass.

These Plex guys used to be great, but now they're just greedy bastards!

I knew it! I came on here to confirm this a few days ago and I was made to believe it was only happening to me! So I'm not going crazy. Apparently the plexpass stuff will be made available to us poor peons in due time. I'm hoping that will happen soon.
 

joejoe666

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i just bought chromecast. its plugged into the wall for power. i can cast youtube videos fine withing youtube.

but i can't cast tabs...it works for 2-3 secs then says "lost connection"

my wifi network is fine. my laptop is quadcore, 16bg ram, dedicated video card, SSD.

Chromecast firmware 12940.

anyone else have this issue?
 

vshah

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yup, can't wait for koush to update allcast to enable screen mirroring once more!
 

hans007

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I initially got chomecast and thought it had potential. But even in Netflix etc it feels very I suppose laggy. Because you basically have to do everything twice.

I got a roku 2 from work (I work at a video rental company that also isn't on chromecast) and we have basically every device and smart TV at work. And the chromecast just feels well the word I think of is "janky".. It feels so half ass and unrefined. Compared to a roku , apple TV etc. We have some Google TV devices like the vizio costar etc and even those feel more complete ( and well Thats not saying much because Google TV is one terrible set top platform right now). Google needs to stop half assing projects. Chrome cast is going to just get forgotten after whoever's 20% project this was gets bored. Hell its already falling behind hardware wise to say the roku 3. And some of the new smart TVs have way way more powerful hardware.
 

gorcorps

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I initially got chomecast and thought it had potential. But even in Netflix etc it feels very I suppose laggy. Because you basically have to do everything twice.

I got a roku 2 from work (I work at a video rental company that also isn't on chromecast) and we have basically every device and smart TV at work. And the chromecast just feels well the word I think of is "janky".. It feels so half ass and unrefined. Compared to a roku , apple TV etc. We have some Google TV devices like the vizio costar etc and even those feel more complete ( and well Thats not saying much because Google TV is one terrible set top platform right now). Google needs to stop half assing projects. Chrome cast is going to just get forgotten after whoever's 20% project this was gets bored. Hell its already falling behind hardware wise to say the roku 3. And some of the new smart TVs have way way more powerful hardware.

Agreed

They have decent ideas but they never seem to put the work in to make them good. Google TV had a chance but that sucked, and the Chromecast has been really slow at getting developers involved (even though they advertised it would be open to devs in the first place). Netflix has connection issues on the Chromecast where my Roku never does, so even the things it's had from day 1 don't work right. I don't know if it's the hardware they chose or what but it's been a pretty worthless purchase for me. I've used it a couple times to show somebody a youtube video that I could have easily just shown from my phone.
 

Red Storm

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I initially got chomecast and thought it had potential. But even in Netflix etc it feels very I suppose laggy. Because you basically have to do everything twice.

What exactly do you have to do twice?

I like it because I don't need a box sitting by my TV with yet another remote to keep track of. I just use my phone or tablet like I normally do except it plays on the TV, that's a perfect solution for me. And any of our mobile devices can be the "remote" without needing special apps or whatnot, it's a great solution. I think of it as my casual HTPC. And now with the SDK made available to all devs, I expect the functionality to take off even more. A Roku doesn't cut it for me, Chromecast is better for someone who relies on their mobile device like me, and the icing on the cake is the $35 price tag.
 

hans007

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What exactly do you have to do twice?

I like it because I don't need a box sitting by my TV with yet another remote to keep track of. I just use my phone or tablet like I normally do except it plays on the TV, that's a perfect solution for me. And any of our mobile devices can be the "remote" without needing special apps or whatnot, it's a great solution. I think of it as my casual HTPC. And now with the SDK made available to all devs, I expect the functionality to take off even more. A Roku doesn't cut it for me, Chromecast is better for someone who relies on their mobile device like me, and the icing on the cake is the $35 price tag.



for example if you want to say fast forward to a certain time point on a chrome cast on netflix.

you have to go on your phone, which then you hit fast forward, on netflix it will buffer to that point even if you are casting it. then the chrome cast has to seek to that point and buffer up to that point too. so yoau re sending so many requests to netflix and to your wifi network etc.

i mean, with say a roku you start the stream. you want to fast forward its lightning fast. i think part of this might just be the protocol chromecast uses, but the roku i think also supports preview frames so it just plain feels faster. and i dont even have the fastest roku and it still feels much much faster. i'd say the only thing i really like about the chromecast is youtube on there is really easy to use because its just a lot easier to search through youtube on a phone thana roku. but even then theres other set top boxes with keyboards on the remotes (i really wish roku made like a super remote with a keyboard. that is one thing something like the vizio costar actaully has right, the keyboard on the back for searching),

anyway... im comparing a chrome cast to things like my last set top box which was the WD tv live plus (the newest one). a roku 2 2013 edition and the google TVs i've used at work.

i'd say honestly the little lags and having to load things is annoying. yes using your phone is cool sometimes, but because of the way the protocol works and the latency it is just irritating to me anyway (besides you can use your phone to control a roku or WD tv live or apple tv also).

plus at this point the hardware is terrible. even once they sign up more people, its based on a cut down google TV. and google TV is already relatively bad. so whatever it is, things just seem to play more smoothly on the other devices. especially the roku. i mean just try fast forwarding on a chrome cast vs a roku. now from what i've learned at work, part of the issue could be that widevine vs HLS (apple / roku) or playready (microsoft standard which is actually really great for streaming video) and that protocol lacks some features. dont quote me on that , but yeah... this is not exactly a non competitive segment, but google always does this. they half ass their way into a segment.

i mean some of teh newer HDTVs like the 4k sets the UIs and just the experience feels a lot better. some of that is the fact that sets are bringing out tegra 4 level hardware, but some of it is just that they put more thought into it i guess. i don't know, chromecast is a cool idea, but honestly google has taken so long to get traction on it, its more or less good as dead at this point.
 

ponyo

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If I could get XBMC on my CC I would ditch my jailbroke Apple TV 2

Not going to happen anytime soon. Most of the major plugins don't even work with Android 4.4 KitKat. You're just going to have to live with Plex on Chromecast.
 

ponyo

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Ok. Now I take back all the bad things I said about the Chromecast. It has now matured to a point it's very viable streaming device. Chromecast is now superior to AppleTV AirPlay when it comes to casting web videos. Videos cast from Android Chrome Beta is cleaner and crisper than AirPlay videos from iOS devices. And you can use your Android devices after casting unlike the AppleTV. And Airplay sometime needs the iOS device to stay awake. Not so with Chromecast. I ordered second Chromecast for the bedroom. It's great companion with the JB AppleTV. Between XBMC and AirPlay on the AppleTV and Chromecasting and Plex on the Chromecast, I now have all the bases covered.
 

tdawg

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I'm not sure when they added the functionality to cast Live youtube streams, but I'm loving the addition. Currently watching the Seattle Sounders US Open Cup game against Portland on my HDTV instead of my laptop or desktop pc in the other room.
 

vshah

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lol, gave my chromecast to my in-laws since I wasn't using it enough (since I have an htpc). the next day the native mirroring comes out. time to buy another i guess!
 

shocksyde

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So basically the only thing missing at this point is to be able to cast non-chrome tabs from a laptop/computer/etc.
 

bearxor

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So basically the only thing missing at this point is to be able to cast non-chrome tabs from a laptop/computer/etc.

And 5ghz Wifi.

And a dedicated remote.

Honestly, if I could mirror tabs from Chrome on an iOS device and there was some kind of physical remote to control playback so I didn't have to use my phone/tablet and it had 5ghz wifi, I'd be all in.
 

cronos

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And 5ghz Wifi.

And a dedicated remote.

Honestly, if I could mirror tabs from Chrome on an iOS device and there was some kind of physical remote to control playback so I didn't have to use my phone/tablet and it had 5ghz wifi, I'd be all in.

The wifi can definitely be improved, or even better, give it an ethernet port, damn it! It'll probably be a little bigger, but I would be willing to pay twice as much if it does have one.

But the dedicated remote is pretty much against the Chromecast basic design and I don't think it's ever going to happen. I understand why you want it, but it's just not designed to be used that way.
 

bearxor

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The wifi can definitely be improved, or even better, give it an ethernet port, damn it! It'll probably be a little bigger, but I would be willing to pay twice as much if it does have one.
Yes, I would probably pay around $50 for one that includes 5ghz wifi. An ethernet port, I think, is too much to ask for.

But the dedicated remote is pretty much against the Chromecast basic design and I don't think it's ever going to happen. I understand why you want it, but it's just not designed to be used that way.
Yeah, I totally get it and I'm not expecting it. It's just that in order to fill my requirement for "best streaming device evar!", I need to be able to use it independently from another device.

And since this conversation has happened before, no, I don't consider a "dumb" remote to be an "extra device". Smart remotes can be. I returned a Harmony One because it became too bothersome to use. I almost bought a Harmony 700, but the thought of having to plug it in to recharge it really bugged me. So I bought a Harmony 650, which is basically the same remote but just takes AA batteries. It walks a fine line for me because there are times it doesn't quite work the way I want it to work and I get frustrated with it. I'd ALMOST prefer to have a universal remote that I can turn things on/off manually. Almost.

I'd be willing to compromise with the Chromecast as well. I can deal with starting my videos from the device. Heck, I think that may be the superior user experience. But, if I (or whomever) needs to get up and use the bathroom, it is far easier and simpler to hit the pause button on a remote than it is to pick up your phone, unlock your phone, wait for the app that's doing the playback to recognize it's being cast, then hit pause.

I THINK a new Apple TV will be perfect for me. If Apple decides to just keep on with AppleTV like they have been, then I will (likely) replace my FireTV boxes with a AndroidTV box, which would give me what I want, but just a little bit more expensive.
 
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s44

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Yes, I would probably pay around $50 for one that includes 5ghz wifi. An ethernet port, I think, is too much to ask for.
Android TV will have full Chromecast functionality in a device with probably both 5ghz and ether. I think this may make it your ideal device.
 

tHa ShIzNiT

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bah, I just got the chromecast app update saying it can now screen mirror. Apparently its only on certain devices though and the S3 isn't one of them. Kinda hard to believe...
 

Roland00Address

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Android TV will have full Chromecast functionality in a device with probably both 5ghz and ether. I think this may make it your ideal device.

I was about to mention this, do we have any idea on what the costs for android tv is going to be? It is very likely with a bigger box that costs more we will get 5ghz, ethernet, and a remote. The only question is how much more are we going to pay for it? $50, $75, $100, $200?
 
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