Google done' goofed - fires employee for "opinions"

[realibrad]

Sure there's a good reason why women feature more in lower paying tiers of a given field, eg the dental assistant vs dentist mentioned above.



I also recall mentioning that playing dumb is wasted on me.

Oh, and I suppose Accounting, and Physical Therapy pay far less than brick laying right? Its also why when you look at any given field and adjust for things like experience, hours worked ect the wage gap goes to what $.05? You are right, women are pushed down to the lower paying jobs because of sexism and men get all the best jobs like cement mason where they make some sweet bank.

 

[agent00f]

Oh, and I suppose Accounting, and Physical Therapy pay far less than brick laying right? Its also why when you look at any given field and adjust for things like experience, hours worked ect the wage gap goes to what $.05? You are right, women are pushed down to the lower paying jobs because of sexism and men get all the best jobs like cement mason where they make some sweet bank.

No, the less educated female equivalents to those men wait tables. I recall you kept claiming to be smart enough to understand simple things.

 

[0roo0roo]

Yup. Some fields have seen major shifts as well. For example my wife is a veterinarian. Thirty years ago it was a field overwhelmingly dominated by men. The year my wife was accepted there were four men out of a hundred admissions. There are hard numbers on this as well, but I am going to be lazy. Human medicine has also seen an appreciable rise in female physicians since the 'good old' 50s

Yes, its interesting what "gaps" are not a problem

https://www.avma.org/News/JAVMANews/Pages/100215g.aspx

Kittens and air conditioning, but the women do not go where the work is actually needed.

"According to AVMA data for 2009, a higher percentage of male than female veterinary graduates do go into food animal or mixed animal practice. About 23 percent of male graduates who accepted employment went into exclusively food animal, predominantly food animal, or mixed animal practice—in contrast with 10 percent of female graduates. Most veterinary graduates, male and female, pursued advanced study or companion animal practice. "

As one might guess, even though the women favor the comfort, and thus flood the market with labor for the easier work, they complain there is a "wage gap" vs men who handle the jobs more necessary to keep society going.

The NHS has a perpetual doctors shortage while ever more women go into medicine, this is the actual trend.

 

[apokalipse]

The average intelligence of men and women is about the same, but the bell curve is wider for men:

This means that there are far more men at the very top end of the IQ distribution, as well as the very bottom.
But it's the people at the top who tend to get noticed.

In terms of physical strength, men are stronger on average:

Of course, people should always be treated as individuals; an individual person could be way outside the average of their particular group.
So you give everyone the same opportunities, but you should not expect equal outcomes.

There is also the question of attitudes, and priorities. Men and women don't want the same things on average, even if ability is the same.

Women are more likely to choose a job they like, even if it pays them less; while men are more likely to choose a job they hate because it pays them more. And it's not wrong for women to value being in a job they like more than the money they earn from it; that's just the trade-off.

Men are more likely to engage in activities with higher risks, including risk of injury or death, and this applies to choosing jobs. Men are more likely to take jobs that have a high risk of injury or death, and men are far more likely to get injured or die at their jobs. This is also one of the reasons women on average live longer than men.

Jobs that involve a risk of injury or death also tend to pay more than similar jobs with less risk; after all, what would be the point of taking the risk if you don't get anything extra for that risk?

 

[mikeymikec]

I haven't managed to read all of this guy's memo mainly because its arguments have such an intellectually lazy base that it makes for painful reading, and frankly I'm amazed that Google hired him in the first place (though I imagine that they hired him for an unrelated and documented skill). He cites statements that are easy to cite (and not the crux of his argument) then prattles on at length about a string of gender stereotypes that he once heard and immediately believed and hasn't ever bothered to perform any critical analysis of. A lot of what he says is disparaging to women working in a tech company setting.

He then goes on to criticise how Google runs its business and how it would do so much better if blah de blah de blah.

What on earth was he thinking? By distributing this memo he alienates management by telling them that they're doing it all wrong (I wonder how he would react if someone who no skills in his area of proficiency came to him and spouted a respectively similar load of BS to support their claim that he's doing his job all wrong), and he alienates every other co-worker who disagrees with him (and IMO that's going to be most of Google's employees).

 

[agent00f]

I haven't managed to read all of this guy's memo mainly because its arguments have such an intellectually lazy base that it makes for painful reading, and frankly I'm amazed that Google hired him in the first place (though I imagine that they hired him for an unrelated and documented skill). He cites statements that are easy to cite (and not the crux of his argument) then prattles on at length about a string of gender stereotypes that he once heard and immediately believed and hasn't ever bothered to perform any critical analysis of. A lot of what he says is disparaging to women working in a tech company setting.

He then goes on to criticise how Google runs its business and how it would do so much better if blah de blah de blah.

What on earth was he thinking? By distributing this memo he alienates management by telling them that they're doing it all wrong (I wonder how he would react if someone who no skills in his area of proficiency came to him and spouted a respectively similar load of BS to support their claim that he's doing his job all wrong), and he alienates every other co-worker who disagrees with him (and IMO that's going to be most of Google's employees).

There are a surprising amount of neckbeards who agree with him but are smart enough to not get fired. Much less so at google or A tier employers per se maybe, but there's a reason why his situation raised so much controversy with the conservative crowd.

 

[Commodus]

If you need more evidence why Damore's supposedly 'scientific' argument is rooted in a false persecution complex: in an interview, he likened being conservative now to being gay in the 1950s. Okay, James, let us know when you've been chemically castrated and subjected to electroshock therapy for being conservative.

See, this is what we talk about when we refer to privilege among white straight men. The ones who whine about supposed oppression by the eeeeevil liberals have no idea what real oppression is like. They've never been imprisoned or disowned by their family merely for features they can't change. They've never had a police officer pull them over because they're driving a car that's 'too nice' for their skin color; and of course, they've never had someone tell them that their entire gender is genetically inferior for a job. If they were subjected to even a sliver of real oppression, they'd be crying like the overgrown babies they are.

 

[agent00f]

If you need more evidence why Damore's supposedly 'scientific' argument is rooted in a false persecution complex: in an interview, he likened being conservative now to being gay in the 1950s. Okay, James, let us know when you've been chemically castrated and subjected to electroshock therapy for being conservative.

See, this is what we talk about when we refer to privilege among white straight men. The ones who whine about supposed oppression by the eeeeevil liberals have no idea what real oppression is like. They've never been imprisoned or disowned by their family merely for features they can't change. They've never had a police officer pull them over because they're driving a car that's 'too nice' for their skin color; and of course, they've never had someone tell them that their entire gender is genetically inferior for a job. If they were subjected to even a sliver of real oppression, they'd be crying like the overgrown babies they are.

The best part is that misogynist/klan defenders like realibrad or starbuck et al will still insist they aren't protecting Damore & co because they see themselves in him.