Google dropping Exchange ActiveSync

[ponyo]

Just read this on theVerge. http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/14/3767626/google-dropping-google-sync-exchange-support-for-gmail-calendar-and

Old accounts already set up will not be effected but new account setup will end on Jan 30, 2013. This could potentially cause problems for WP8 users.

 

[cl-scott]

To be fair, Google does support the open standard WebDAV, so Microsoft could quietly add support for that, and push it out to handset makers and carriers.

 

[s44]

I wonder if this will also translate to Google fixing/enabling IMAP push on the native Android email client...

Android bug page for the issue (everyone star this!)

 

[Spicedaddy]

As a replacement, Google is recommending CalDAV for calendar, CardDAV for contacts, and IMAP for email — though obviously iPhone owners will also likely use the new Gmail app for that.

Or just start using Outlook.com...

 

[JavaMomma]

Doesn't this kill Mail & Calendar syncing for iOS?

Is Google trying force iOS users to use their Gmail App rather then Mail.app for advertising revenue?

 

[notposting]

Doesn't this kill Mail & Calendar syncing for iOS?

Is Google trying force iOS users to use their Gmail App rather then Mail.app for advertising revenue?

Strike at MS.
Bonus for getting iOS users into using all the different Google apps for information gathering.

Me? Already use MS for everything, will fully transition at this point. Google will be left behind like Yahoo...as a chat protocol for me and no more.

 

[JavaMomma]

Strike at MS.
Bonus for getting iOS users into using all the different Google apps for information gathering.

Me? Already use MS for everything, will fully transition at this point. Google will be left behind like Yahoo...as a chat protocol for me and no more.

Ugg this really sucks, I'm researching both Hotmail/Live Mail & iCloud right now.
Guess I'll be leaving Google Dropping EAS is a show stopper for me. I'm a bit shocked they are doing this. I just transitioned my GF from Hotmail to Gmail, guess she'll be going back to hotmail as well as she is an iOS user.

Now iCloud or Hotmail? Both look good, I have accounts with both of them. I'm in the Apple Eco System for the moment but the problem with iCloud it doesn't appear to play well other systems. Hotmail actually looks pretty good. Guess I'll play with both and pick from that.

 

[iahk]

Can't you just set up an imap account normally and just set up contact and calendar syncing via carddav and caldav? I don't think it's a coincidence this happened when google announced carddav/caldav support for ios a few months ago.

 

[lothar]

I'm okay with dropping proprietary standards for open ones.
Both Google and Apple support the open standard. Why can't Microsoft?

 

[deathBOB]

I'm okay with dropping proprietary standards for open ones.
Both Google and Apple support the open standard. Why can't Microsoft?

Apparently the IMAP does not do push but updates in 15 minute increments so the open standard is somewhat inferior.

 

[Aristotelian]

I read the article but remain a bit confused due to my own ignorance.

Does this mean that on my android phone I will be able to use Exchange e-mail pushing, but if I reset my phone and try to add that again after the cut-off date that my Exchange e-mail pushing to my Android phone will no longer work?

 

[lothar]

Apparently the IMAP does not do push but updates in 15 minute increments so the open standard is somewhat inferior.

Gmail has push on Android and iOS without having to use Exchange ActiveSync on either systems.

 

[deathBOB]

Gmail has push on Android and iOS without having to use Exchange ActiveSync on either systems.

With Gmail app or native app? I had to set up my Gmail as an Exchange account with the native iOS app. I don't remember if it was for push or the pull down contacts.

 

[notposting]

Gmail app for iOS. This should improve their ability to serve you better (and cyberstalk you). And their IMAP isn't stock open standards as far as I can tell (because of the starring, labels, etc). The DAV standards while having some improvements apparently aren't as quick at syncing either. And the reason they need to leave EAS for corp/gov/edu environments is due to the other features like remote wipe/lock etc.

 

[slugg]

hood thing I switched to outlook.com. Everything is migrated over - all I have left is updating the domain settings and waiting for them to switch over. In the mean time, my outlook.com account just polls my Gmail account through POP.

 

[ChronoReverse]

I just transitioned my GF from Hotmail to Gmail, guess she'll be going back to hotmail as well as she is an iOS user.

iOS has a dedicated GMail app and supports the DAV's of course.

 

[s44]

Apparently the IMAP does not do push but updates in 15 minute increments so the open standard is somewhat inferior.

IMAP IDLE does push, and I'm pretty sure Gmail supports IMAP IDLE... Even though the native Android and (I think) iOS and WP8 clients don't.

Does this mean that on my android phone I will be able to use Exchange e-mail pushing, but if I reset my phone and try to add that again after the cut-off date that my Exchange e-mail pushing to my Android phone will no longer work?

Only if you are pushing Gmail to your phone via Exchange. (Maybe for a unified inbox or something... The Gmail app is otherwise much better.) All the Exchange client stuff on Android will keep functioning as usual.

 

[JavaMomma]

iOS has a dedicated GMail app and supports the DAV's of course.

Not really looking for a 3rd party app that I have to remember to turn on and not ever turn off that tracks my every move and beams my info to Google. Unified Mailbox also is much better when you have multiple accounts.

 

[s44]

And... Google wins, MS (who lied about not having been informed about this beforehand) is adding Cal/CardDAV to WP.

 

[Deeko]

And... Google wins, MS (who lied about not having been informed about this beforehand) is adding Cal/CardDAV to WP.

....wins? There was never any indication that Google would change their mind, and realistically Google is doing a disservice to their customers, as their actions are directly causing their customers to lose access, not to mention the fact that ActiveSync is a superior solution (which Google is still extending to their business customers - obviously they see its advantages). Plus, Microsoft is doing their customers a service by implementing the features to support DAV. So your scoring algorithm might need some tweaking (and frankly, I fail to see why you feel it necessary to "score" this to begin with).

Also, I don't recall Microsoft saying they were not informed beforehand. They said they were surprised and disappointed, do you have further information where they actually made the statement of which you're accusing them?

 

[Dari]

....wins? There was never any indication that Google would change their mind, and realistically Google is doing a disservice to their customers, as their actions are directly causing their customers to lose access, not to mention the fact that ActiveSync is a superior solution (which Google is still extending to their business customers - obviously they see its advantages). Plus, Microsoft is doing their customers a service by implementing the features to support DAV. So your scoring algorithm might need some tweaking (and frankly, I fail to see why you feel it necessary to "score" this to begin with).

Also, I don't recall Microsoft saying they were not informed beforehand. They said they were surprised and disappointed, do you have further information where they actually made the statement of which you're accusing them?

Those customers can easily jump ship. Microsoft knows that and that is why they implemented these standards before the deadline.

 

[lothar]

I don't recall Microsoft saying they were not informed beforehand. They said they were surprised and disappointed, do you have further information where they actually made the statement of which you're accusing them?

If someone says they were "surprised" that something happened, couldn't that automatically mean that they were either not informed by Google beforehand or that they were informed by Google but were being ignorant in thinking that Google would actually do such a thing?

Or maybe Microsoft was informed by Google and were in fact prepared(based on the latest news about them adding Cal/CardDAV support to WP8 it certainly sounds like it), meaning the Microsoft exec that spoke and said earlier that they were "surprised" was an idiot then since they clearly were not surprised and were probably working on adding it behind the scenes well before Google announced that they were dropping Exchange ActiveSync support despite what everyone in the media was reporting...

Or the exec carefully crafted his "surprised" statement by lying that they were surprised in hope that it could further serve as more ammo to Google's anti-trust problems?

I'm not quite sure what other definition of "surprised" this Microsoft exec was thinking about. Maybe I missed other possibilities.

 

[Deeko]

If someone says they were "surprised" that something happened, couldn't that automatically mean that they were either not informed by Google beforehand or that they were informed by Google but were being ignorant in thinking that Google would actually do such a thing?

Or maybe Microsoft was informed by Google and were in fact prepared(based on the latest news about them adding Cal/CardDAV support to WP8 it certainly sounds like it), meaning the Microsoft exec that spoke and said earlier that they were "surprised" was an idiot then since they clearly were not surprised and were probably working on adding it behind the scenes well before Google announced that they were dropping Exchange ActiveSync support despite what everyone in the media was reporting...

Or the exec carefully crafted his "surprised" statement by lying that they were surprised in hope that it could further serve as more ammo to Google's anti-trust problems?

I'm not quite sure what other definition of "surprised" this Microsoft exec was thinking about. Maybe I missed other possibilities.

They didn't specify a time line, did they? Maybe they were surprised when they were told about it in August. Also, did they say what they were surprised about? Maybe Google told them it would happen, but never said when, it was the January 31 timeframe that was surprising. Finally, were any of these quotes actually verified? I don't see them sourced in the article.

If you want to point fingers at Microsoft and call them a liar over this, frankly, you're being overtly disingenuous. The statements were generic corporate speak, and nothing more. What s44 said was that Microsoft lied about not being told ahead of time - I'm still waiting for a source on that quote, because all I see is them saying they were surprised, which is a very different statement.

 

[lothar]

They didn't specify a time line, did they? Maybe they were surprised when they were told about it in August. Also, did they say what they were surprised about? Maybe Google told them it would happen, but never said when, it was the January 31 timeframe that was surprising. Finally, were any of these quotes actually verified? I don't see them sourced in the article.

If you want to point fingers at Microsoft and call them a liar over this, frankly, you're being overtly disingenuous. The statements were generic corporate speak, and nothing more. What s44 said was that Microsoft lied about not being told ahead of time - I'm still waiting for a source on that quote, because all I see is them saying they were surprised, which is a very different statement.

I have no idea. I'm only going based on the link by s44 and your post stating that "they were surprised and disappointed". They used those words, you used them, I used them, for all we know the original source may be wrong in all of this.

As for lies, there are different types of them...There's lying by omission, there's lying by telling actual lies, and so on and so on...This exec could also have been clueless about Cal/CardDAV support being worked on WP8 behind the scenes and didn't know meaning it wouldn't have been a lie for him.
I gave lots of different possibilities of what could have happened and didn't give any preference...and I'm sure there are many other possibilities I missed like the ones you mentioned.
I agree that they were probably generic corporate statements that were very carefully crafted like all other corporate statements are.

 

[chin311]

So if you have been using the exchange server for a while it will continue to work? This just applies to new accounts?

I use the exchange server on my iPhone for syncing contacts/calendar with my Gmail account, so I will be able to continue doing so?