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Zaap

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I like everything about the Pixel phones, except for the lack of SD card. Dammit. I've adjusted to the lack of removable battery, but I just don't see myself going without an SD card. I have to be ready for when I can't go and use a ton of mobile data and want all my music.
I'm not sure why anyone would look to a Google phone expecting mSD.

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As for the pixel phones... bleh. More boring than any device I've seen in years.

Flagship specs in a cheap looking, ugly, low-end-looking, iPhone 5 era-wannabe knock off? Boring as dirt.
 

quikah

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You already had free cloud storage up to 16MP so I'm not sure that this is any different.

Photos and videos stored on the free tier of google photos are recompressed (causes noticeable artifacts in a number of situations I have seen). Presumably the ones from the Pixel will be the original photos, though this remains to be seen.
 

Zaap

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At least the desire has physical buttons and some real-world reason for having those hay-huge fugly bezels. That expanse of pure nothing on the bottom of the Pixel is just... a waste.

I read that Google approached Hauwei again to make the Pixel, but wouldn't allow any branding from them, and so they declined. But imagine a Pixel looking like this:



THAT's a flagship design for 2016-2017.

Anyone that can't see the difference between something like that that looks premium, and the just plain BORING, backward, old and worst of all CHEAP look of the pixel- you have no design sense what-so-ever.

"Oh it doesn't matter what something looks like!" Sure, sure, use a flip phone then.

For $300 it may not matter.

For twice that and beyond it sure as hell matters.

Form AND function are not either/or in 2016. I really hope consumers make that point with their wallets.
 
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WelshBloke

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At least the desire has physical buttons and some real-world reason for having those hay-huge fugly bezels. That expanse of pure nothing on the bottom of the Pixel is just... a waste.

I agree. But wanting capacitive buttons on a Google phone is like wanting an SDcard, it's not going to happen.

I read that Google approached Hauwei again to make the Pixel, but wouldn't allow any branding from them, and so they declined. But imagine a Pixel looking like this:



THAT's a flagship design for 2016-2017.

That is an amazing looking phone.
 

Zaap

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I agree. But wanting capacitive buttons on a Google phone is like wanting an SDcard, it's not going to happen.
Oh I agree. It's not that they were going to add buttons.

It's that they actually added the wasted space for the buttons- without the buttons!

Twice as bad.
 

sze5003

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I agree. But wanting capacitive buttons on a Google phone is like wanting an SDcard, it's not going to happen.



That is an amazing looking phone.
What is that called? I bet it's an international only Huawei model.
 

Roland00Address

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can this thing send things from my comp to my TV that aren't being played in a browser? which is my biggest issue with a chrome cast - I don't use chrome.... also I never send stuff from my phone anywhere,

I have various ways of playing local media to TVs using other pieces of software/hardware but its more cumbersome then I needs to be

The MiBox is android tv. Android TV are devices that are literally like android tablets (kinda but not the same) with full app support and full internet browsers, there are numerous apps to retrieve network stores from windows computers. Built into Android TV is chromecast support where it can work like the chromecast device, like chromecast it can receive casts sent from android devices (phones and tablets) and the iphone and ipad. Now some Android TVs are 1080p, and some are 4k and also do HDR, the MiBox is one of the later and retails for the same price as the new Chromecast that can do 4k and HDR which is $69. MiBox also comes with a remote control you can use instead of your phone.

Will the MiBox be better or worse than the new Chromecast will be up to debate and I will like to see these two devices reviewed side by side. Chromecast may be the superior device in daily use for it may act more like an appliance, yet at the same time lose to the MiBox's greater feature list. Yet on paper the MiBox seems the superior device.

Note the MiBox lacks ethernet but it does have a USB 2 port. Normally the USB 2 port would be for things like external hard drives, but you can also get a $10 USB to ethernet dongle that they sell online. Just make sure to read reviews and that it works fine with android (which most of them do, but some usb to ethernet do not have android drivers)
 

Roland00Address

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I still cannot get over the fact that there is no 64gb model. Why force people to pay $869 + tax if you want just a bit more space than 32gb.

You are not the typical customer. If you are already spending $769 for the 32gb, wanting a $50 more option for 64 gb vs a $100 more for $128 gb option is not going to be much customers. Most people say fine and would spend the extra $50 to get 128 vs 64 or they would be happy with 32gb. There is just not enough volume.

Note apple also got rid of the 64gb tier with iphones and ipads.

Given the size of 4k video files I'd say they are far more suited to local storage than streaming. But for archiving them it's still a plus I guess.

You can do playback for free (such as sharing a link to your desktop computer, or to grandma and grandpa). Since most people are not going to rewatch dozens or hundrends of videos on their phones the goal is for you to upload these videos over wifi and free up space on your phone. This is the case with any form of HD video which can get big really quick, but remember you have 4 times the pixels with 4k so it can be 4 times bigger depending on the compression alogrithim.
 

sze5003

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You are not the typical customer. If you are already spending $769 for the 32gb, wanting a $50 more option for 64 gb vs a $100 more for $128 gb option is not going to be much customers. Most people say fine and would spend the extra $50 to get 128 vs 64 or they would be happy with 32gb. There is just not enough volume.

Note apple also got rid of the 64gb tier with iphones and ipads.



You can do playback for free (such as sharing a link to your desktop computer, or to grandma and grandpa). Since most people are not going to rewatch dozens or hundrends of videos on their phones the goal is for you to upload these videos over wifi and free up space on your phone. This is the case with any form of HD video which can get big really quick, but remember you have 4 times the pixels with 4k so it can be 4 times bigger depending on the compression alogrithim.
Yea that would have caused them to drop the base prices which couldn't be done. If they were $100 cheaper I don't see why a 64gb option would have hurt. It's just giving customers a choice. Most people are going to buy a 32gb and call it a day.
 

Zaap

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What is that called? I bet it's an international only Huawei model.
It's a Mate 8- they came out almost a year ago. They cost less than the Pixel phones.

The point was simply there are great designs and firms able to create great designs that Google could have had do the Pixel. (Sorry, but HTC seems to have been unable to keep any of their good designers.) Huawei could have done something much better had Google just let them brand their work. Fine, so they wouldn't allow that... but really.. THAT crap was the only other option?

Between Google just going retro BLAH and Samsung having a rotten time of it, I really feel now more than ever the best Chinese makes could step into the vacuum and just take freakin' over. An awesome phone like the Mate 8, with stats to crush everything else.. at a reasonable price... introduced on all carriers...

They could possibly topple the giants who've at this point dropped the ball big time.

I doubt it'll happen because it's a hell of a lot easier said than done... but still, now seems like a good time for someone to step up.
 

gorcorps

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I'm not sure why anyone would look to a Google phone expecting mSD.

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As for the pixel phones... bleh. More boring than any device I've seen in years.

Flagship specs in a cheap looking, ugly, low-end-looking, iPhone 5 era-wannabe knock off? Boring as dirt.

Well that's just not fair, it's clearly an iphone 6 era knockoff

the iphone 5 looked better
 

MrSquished

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too pricey for me. I'm pretty happy with the 6P so I'll hold on to it until middle of next year, see how people are liking their Pixels by then and see where the price is at that point.

Is there a fingerprint sensor on the back of the Pixel like the 6P?
 

sze5003

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too pricey for me. I'm pretty happy with the 6P so I'll hold on to it until middle of next year, see how people are liking their Pixels by then and see where the price is at that point.

Is there a fingerprint sensor on the back of the Pixel like the 6P?
Yup it's the same for fingerprint. Although I think it's a new sensor as it has some extra features for showing your notifications. Not sure if we will get that on 6p with 7.1.
 

stlc8tr

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At least the desire has physical buttons and some real-world reason for having those hay-huge fugly bezels. That expanse of pure nothing on the bottom of the Pixel is just... a waste.

I read that Google approached Hauwei again to make the Pixel, but wouldn't allow any branding from them, and so they declined. But imagine a Pixel looking like this:



THAT's a flagship design for 2016-2017.

Anyone that can't see the difference between something like that that looks premium, and the just plain BORING, backward, old and worst of all CHEAP look of the pixel- you have no design sense what-so-ever.

"Oh it doesn't matter what something looks like!" Sure, sure, use a flip phone then.

For $300 it may not matter.

For twice that and beyond it sure as hell matters.

Form AND function are not either/or in 2016. I really hope consumers make that point with their wallets.

Meh. I'm not a teenager anymore. I don't care how my phone looks as long as it does what I want.
 

sze5003

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Meh. I'm not a teenager anymore. I don't care how my phone looks as long as it does what I want.
If more people had your attitude there wouldn't be so many iPhone users lol. Apple's design and aesthetics is the sole purpose for their popularity as well as the simple os. They built a brand with looks, which at this point is becoming stale.
 

WelshBloke

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Oh I agree. It's not that they were going to add buttons.

It's that they actually added the wasted space for the buttons- without the buttons!

Twice as bad.
It is a shame that they didn't put something on it.

Does Google have something against forward firing speakers as well as capacitive keys and front fingerprint sensors?
 
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I think this phone feels like the closest to the original Moto X in spirit. I remember all the criticism of it as far as not having the top specs, but it was just so well integrated and functional, that I still use it now.
 

lupi

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Could get a htc10 for 550 right now and that gives an SD card slot if ya can't wait.
 

stlc8tr

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That's a bit ironic, because I can't imagine anyone older than a teenager wanting that phone.

Like I said, I don't care what it looks like. I'm not shallow like that.

It's price/performance ratio that I care about. Right now the Pixel is too expensive for what it offers. But cut the price in half and I'll be interested.
 

dullard

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Meh. I'm not a teenager anymore. I don't care how my phone looks as long as it does what I want.
The phone design it isn't just about looks though.

1) They could have put in a ~7% larger screen in the exact same case. That gives us better pictures, a better movie watching experience, less problems hitting the wrong letter on the keyboard, easier for those who are older and don't have the best vision, etc.

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2) They could have made that 6.09" tall case ~5.66" tall instead with the same screen. The ultimate size has a big impact on me. For example, I can't pull out a 6"+ phone from a pocket while sitting down, especially not when seat-belted into a car. Or that is just that much larger of a bulge in your suit pants. Neither one is desirable.

3) My wife's purse and the few pockets her clothes ever have can't fit a phone in that large. I seriously wanted to get the Pixel for her, but that extra ~0.4" of wasted bezel height is a deal breaker. If she can't reasonably have the phone with her, it is a useless phone for her.

You don't need to be a teenager to want a phone that is designed well.
 

Zaap

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It is a shame that they didn't put something on it.

Does Google have something against forward firing speakers as well as capacitive keys and front fingerprint sensors?
I don't know about the rest of it, but I think Google's been pushing for on-screen buttons over physical ones for some time now.

Personally, I'm spoiled by capacitive buttons. Yet another thing I don't want to give up in a smartphone, and IMO, sets Android apart from iOS.
 

agent00f

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The phone design it isn't just about looks though.

1) They could have put in a ~7% larger screen in the exact same case. That gives us better pictures, a better movie watching experience, less problems hitting the wrong letter on the keyboard, easier for those who are older and don't have the best vision, etc.

or

2) They could have made that 6.09" tall case ~5.66" tall instead with the same screen. The ultimate size has a big impact on me. For example, I can't pull out a 6"+ phone from a pocket while sitting down, especially not when seat-belted into a car. Or that is just that much larger of a bulge in your suit pants. Neither one is desirable.

3) My wife's purse and the few pockets her clothes ever have can't fit a phone in that large. I seriously wanted to get the Pixel for her, but that extra ~0.4" of wasted bezel height is a deal breaker. If she can't reasonably have the phone with her, it is a useless phone for her.

You don't need to be a teenager to want a phone that is designed well.

Google keep proclaiming this is their own design, but it clearly has HTC design dna all over it. Whether that's because they're constrained by manufacturing abilities is debatable, but in practice it might as well be an overpriced Nexus 5p/XL by HTC.
 

Kazukian

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Google keep proclaiming this is their own design, but it clearly has HTC design dna all over it. Whether that's because they're constrained by manufacturing abilities is debatable, but in practice it might as well be an overpriced Nexus 5p/XL by HTC.

And the crazy thing they freaking owned Motorola...
 

sze5003

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Google keep proclaiming this is their own design, but it clearly has HTC design dna all over it. Whether that's because they're constrained by manufacturing abilities is debatable, but in practice it might as well be an overpriced Nexus 5p/XL by HTC.
I wonder if they also designed the 6p because I really like the phone. Although I think Huawei had something to do with it as well. The camera hump really isn't that bad on the frost white model.

I'm just curious what function that back cover on the top has other than keeping the nfc sensor on the pixel.
 
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