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agent00f

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I wonder if they also designed the 6p because I really like the phone. Although I think Huawei had something to do with it as well. The camera hump really isn't that bad on the frost white model.

I'm just curious what function that back cover on the top has other than keeping the nfc sensor on the pixel.

The nexus program was supposedly short stints of google involvement, like 6 months, basically tweaking something that was more or less already set; so they can change the chip specs and superficialities some, but nothing major. The pixel is supposedly google owned designs, but as we can see they might well've started out with something HTC has some experience with; the bottom area is near exactly like the 10 but with the fingerprint sensor moved to the back. That's what contains the antenna which in modern phones is really tuned so I wouldn't be surprised if they just took it and focused their resources on areas of differentiation.

In any case, IMO their general strategy seems correct, to squeeze apple at the top. There's no point for them to dawdle in the mid-range where android's already won and there's no iphone anyway. The problem is the v1 product isn't quite good enough for iphone prices. It's worse than the price parity samsungs so it's a basically a htc-10-like also-ran product with a google badge. The htc 10's can move some at the 550 it's at right now, which is where I'd expect the pixel to be soon if they want to sell any. Also IMO a bad move for HTC to make something that's only going to squeeze themselves.
 

Kazukian

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The other advantage of Google getting some more skin in the game is a consumer plus, shaming the other manufacturers to update Android, for useability and security.

I'm impressed that they made a phone with no camera bump too.
 

Red Storm

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As much as I dislike the large bezels, at this point if I were needing to get a high end Android phone it would be the Pixel XL. I had to return my Note 7 because it was just too sluggish (and then the next day the exploding battery news broke out). I'm making do with just my work issued iPhone 6S, and I'm actually kinda glad the Pixel doesn't look very sleek or modern, if it did I would give in and buy one lol. Instead I get to save a little more money while waiting for next year's offering.
 

KeithP

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At these prices I might end up back in the iOS camp. I will wait out the reviews and make a decision but the iPhone will have a much greater range of accessories (battery cases, etc).

As far as wifi calling goes, on my Nexus 6, wifi calling on T-Mobile has been awful so no real loss there.

-KeithP


Forgive me if this has information has already been mentioned, but I just read that Google has promised wifi calling on T-Mobile and Verizon at launch with the possibility that other carriers may also be supported.

-KeithP
 

Kazukian

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Forgive me if this has information has already been mentioned, but I just read that Google has promised wifi calling on T-Mobile and Verizon at launch with the possibility that other carriers may also be supported.

-KeithP

Yes, I read that too, there are some people that swear by it, I get a lot of dropped calls when I'm using WiFi calling.
 

Yakk

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Even with online backup when using my S7, given the size of 4K or 1080@60fps video files, 32GB is woefully inadequate for even just a 1 day event worth of video. A fast 200GB micro SD card is extremely useful for these file sizes.

Wi-fi calling has been quite useful for me especially when in large buildings with poor reception.
 

sze5003

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Even with online backup when using my S7, given the size of 4K or 1080@60fps video files, 32GB is woefully inadequate for even just a 1 day event worth of video. A fast 200GB micro SD card is extremely useful for these file sizes.

Wi-fi calling has been quite useful for me especially when in large buildings with poor reception.
Yea 32 GB could be doable if you laid everything on the cloud. But 64 is just right for me and I don't even take a lot of videos or photos.

Looking at a 128gb model I'm seeing a total of $938 shipped with tax included. That's an insane price to pay for a phone. I could get new brakes and rotors and new couch, or all new tires, etc. Is it really worth almost 1k honestly for just upgraded specs? I don't think so at all.
 

MrSquished

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Yea 32 GB could be doable if you laid everything on the cloud. But 64 is just right for me and I don't even take a lot of videos or photos.

Looking at a 128gb model I'm seeing a total of $938 shipped with tax included. That's an insane price to pay for a phone. I could get new brakes and rotors and new couch, or all new tires, etc. Is it really worth almost 1k honestly for just upgraded specs? I don't think so at all.

I agree. 64gb is the sweet spot for phone storage for me as well
 

sze5003

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I agree. 64gb is the sweet spot for phone storage for me as well
A friend of mine has the HTC 10 and it's a 32gb model. He doesn't have any movies, photos, or anything stored on the internal but has like 11gb free in storage. All the apps apparently store stuff in the internal storage. At least he has an sd card for the other stuff.
 

dainthomas

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Yes, I read that too, there are some people that swear by it, I get a lot of dropped calls when I'm using WiFi calling.

Wifi calling on T-Mobile has worked fantastic for me, and is the main reason I don't root. If Google is going to support it, that's a big deal.
 

Red Storm

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Yea 32 GB could be doable if you laid everything on the cloud. But 64 is just right for me and I don't even take a lot of videos or photos.

Looking at a 128gb model I'm seeing a total of $938 shipped with tax included. That's an insane price to pay for a phone. I could get new brakes and rotors and new couch, or all new tires, etc. Is it really worth almost 1k honestly for just upgraded specs? I don't think so at all.

I agree that it's expensive, but I don't think it's that expensive. I mean aside from my car (which is a whole lot more expensive), my smartphone is the single most important thing I own. It's my phone, my primary computer and access to email and the internet, my camera, my navigation system, etc. When I look at that way, I understand the high price tag for a high end phone. Unfortunately for Google, the Pixel is ugly to me, so I feel less tempted to get one, plus I am getting by OK with just my work issued smartphone.
 

vshah

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Wifi calling on T-Mobile has worked fantastic for me, and is the main reason I don't root. If Google is going to support it, that's a big deal.

google supports wifi calling on the nexus 6, nexus 5x, and nexus 6p, and it will be supported on the pixel and pixel XL as well
 

sze5003

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Have you guys checked out the Asus Zenfone 3 deluxe? Looks like a nice cheaper alternative to pixel.
 

Kazukian

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kaerflog

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Have you guys checked out the Asus Zenfone 3 deluxe? Looks like a nice cheaper alternative to pixel.

Yeah they're selling the 5.7" deluxe for $499. My only dislike is the black borders around the screen. I hate those as much as needless bezels. Black border is synonymous with Chinese phones
 

Crono

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Have you guys checked out the Asus Zenfone 3 deluxe? Looks like a nice cheaper alternative to pixel.

I'd rather have the Axon 7, OnePlus 3, or Honor 8. But the Zenfone 3 Ultra is intriguing because at 6.8" it is large enough to replace a 7" tablet.
 

Roland00Address

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But the Zenfone 3 Ultra is intriguing because at 6.8" it is large enough to replace a 7" tablet.

Very intriguing phone / tablet.

The 6.8" (16x9) tablet is the same width of the VIEW screen of the 7.0" (16x10) tablet of the nexus 7 2013. Aka it is 1920x1080 vs 1920x1200. You just lose the 11% extra height of the 16x10 screen but this is not a big deal since you get side capacitive buttons.

Yet while the view size of the screen are very similar, the Zenfone 3 Ultra is subsantually smaller as a phone. See here

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Asus-ZenFone-3-Ultra,Google-Nexus-7-2013/phones/10078,8021

Here is the width, height, thickness, and weight

Zenfone 3 Ultra vs Nexus 7 2013
93.9 mm vs 114 mm
186.4 mm vs 200 mm
6.8 mm vs 8.65 mm
233 g vs 299 g

Losing 8/10ths of an inch in the width of the phone is a big deal.

Spec wise you get quad core cortex a72 (1.8 ghz)+quad core a53 which is massively faster than krait 300 at 1.5 ghz. 4 gbs of ram. The phone has OIS and a 23 megapixel, but its aperture is 2.0 (lower numbers are better for they let in more light) so expect good outdoor picts but I am skeptical of indoor pictures. Also the video is only 1080p.

Another downside is the phone costs $600 for the zenfone 3 ultra.
 

Red Storm

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Have you guys checked out the Asus Zenfone 3 deluxe? Looks like a nice cheaper alternative to pixel.

Unless the Asus phone is going to have super quick updates, I don't see how it's much of an alternative. I don't know what their track record is with updates, but I'm sure it isn't as good as Google's.

In other words, don't buy one of these through Verizon,

Yep, definitely do not buy it from Verizon. It's disappointing that Google agreed to such terms.
 

sze5003

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Unless the Asus phone is going to have super quick updates, I don't see how it's much of an alternative. I don't know what their track record is with updates, but I'm sure it isn't as good as Google's.



Yep, definitely do not buy it from Verizon. It's disappointing that Google agreed to such terms.
Yea but only Google is quick with updates. Every other phone I've had took a very long time. I meant alternative price per specs.

Also anyone ordering a pixel now will get a free daydream vr headset. I guess it's something to reduce the sting.

They are also opening up a store on Oct 20 in new York. Looks like they are going the apple route.

I keep telling myself I can do with 32gb because I want to order one but at the same time the dual boot will increase partitions on the phone by 2 so rather than 24gb free you may get 16-18gb out of the box. Then you have updates and all your apps store stuff on the internal anyway.
 
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kaerflog

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Why are updates even important anymore ?? This isn't Android 3.0 that needs to be upgraded to 4.0.
My Samsung S7 edge is on 6.0 now and I honestly have not thought once that I can't wait till it gets 7.0.
New, useful features are far and few in betweens every updates.
 

jackstar7

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Why are updates even important anymore ?? This isn't Android 3.0 that needs to be upgraded to 4.0.
My Samsung S7 edge is on 6.0 now and I honestly have not thought once that I can't wait till it gets 7.0.
New, useful features are far and few in betweens every updates.
Security can be an issue for some. That's one reason.
 

Megatomic

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Why are updates even important anymore ?? This isn't Android 3.0 that needs to be upgraded to 4.0.
My Samsung S7 edge is on 6.0 now and I honestly have not thought once that I can't wait till it gets 7.0.
New, useful features are far and few in betweens every updates.
I agree. The only feature I am looking for right now is the new Google Assistant and as soon as I can flash it to my phone I will.
 
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