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Doug S

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The title says 多核, which is multicore. You would see 単核 for single core (i.e. single thread).

Thank for you this, but in an ideal world it wouldn't be necessary!

If there's one thing that "AI" could bring to client PCs/smartphones it would be a browser providing instant convenient translation of any language (which it would infer from context) to the language of one's choice. It need not be perfect, and wouldn't be expected to properly translate idioms and so forth, but being able to hover your mouse over the part of an image containing those characters and see "multi core" (or even a possibly somewhat wrong translation like "many piece" would be good enough, with the non-A "I" between our ears filling in the rest for us) pop up would be wonderful.

You can feed a URL into a translator and it'll translate the text of the web site all right, but not the graphics - and that's often the most interesting content when it comes to stuff like we discuss at AT. Now sure someone will point out that OCR software exists that could do this, then you could feed the result into a translator, but the more steps required the less it is worth the time it takes.

So c'mon Apple, let's get that NPU you've included in every iPhone since 2017 working on this when you run Safari! C'mon Mozilla, Google, Microsoft - if the latter company believes in its "AI PC" hype here's a perfect opportunity to show a real use case, instead of handwaving about how great building "AI" into every PC will be without any concrete examples of useful things that can be via that local processing capability.

Here's a browser update that would actually help the end user, rather than the 99% of browser updates that help web site designers by supporting expansions of HTML, etc.
 

Hesperax

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Thank for you this, but in an ideal world it wouldn't be necessary!

If there's one thing that "AI" could bring to client PCs/smartphones it would be a browser providing instant convenient translation of any language (which it would infer from context) to the language of one's choice. It need not be perfect, and wouldn't be expected to properly translate idioms and so forth, but being able to hover your mouse over the part of an image containing those characters and see "multi core" (or even a possibly somewhat wrong translation like "many piece" would be good enough, with the non-A "I" between our ears filling in the rest for us) pop up would be wonderful.

You can feed a URL into a translator and it'll translate the text of the web site all right, but not the graphics - and that's often the most interesting content when it comes to stuff like we discuss at AT. Now sure someone will point out that OCR software exists that could do this, then you could feed the result into a translator, but the more steps required the less it is worth the time it takes.

So c'mon Apple, let's get that NPU you've included in every iPhone since 2017 working on this when you run Safari! C'mon Mozilla, Google, Microsoft - if the latter company believes in its "AI PC" hype here's a perfect opportunity to show a real use case, instead of handwaving about how great building "AI" into every PC will be without any concrete examples of useful things that can be via that local processing capability.

Here's a browser update that would actually help the end user, rather than the 99% of browser updates that help web site designers by supporting expansions of HTML, etc.
Google Lens does that for me on Android. Just hold the Home button and hit the translate button. It then replaces with "Geekbech 5 Multi-core (points)" in the the image.
 

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FlameTail

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Makes me think... what if he G5 fails hard?
Google might quit the market?
Dountful that will happen, but even if it does, they are not going to stop making Pixels. Worst case scenario, they go back to Snapdragon or Exynos-Tensors for a generation or two until their in-house design gets fixed up.
 

LightningZ71

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That's not very surprising. The Google G series has almost always been a mid-tier SoC with custom configurations for Google's purposes. The HTML5 score is still solid, and nothing is horrible in the list of scores, so it'll feel like a perfectly serviceable phone. With the copious amount of RAM that it has, it should age rather gracefully.
 

FlameTail

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They mentioned that Tensor G4 has 45 TOPS. Interesting. That's in line with the 'current" generation of chips from Qualcomm/Mediatek, which means the next gen will be faster.
SoCTOPS
8 Gen 345
8 Gen 4~2x that of 8G3
D930048 TOPS
D9400~40% faster than D9300
A17 Pro34
 

trivik12

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mobile soc's grossly over powered. I am more interested in seeing efficiency tests for G4. That said being made on Samsung process does not inspire confidence. Next year they will make it on N3E with new cores. Will make a huge difference on efficiency end. Question is around modem. Will they use discrete modem manufactured on Samsung process? Or use Qualcomm's modem.
 
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coercitiv

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That's not very surprising. The Google G series has almost always been a mid-tier SoC with custom configurations for Google's purposes. The HTML5 score is still solid, and nothing is horrible in the list of scores, so it'll feel like a perfectly serviceable phone. With the copious amount of RAM that it has, it should age rather gracefully.
Only one catch: the price.
 

coercitiv

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Which is why I only follow the base and A models. The others just aren't much of a value.
The base Pixel 9 is now the same price as the iPhone 15, starting at $799.

I'm also looking exclusively at base or A models. They're not even giving us ample storage for the price, still stuck at 128GB. I'll probably buy the Pixel 8 and wait out the AI craze, it seems to me like we're currently paying in advance for AI features these companies aren't even able to showcase.
 
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Tup3x

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I was really considering getting the 512 GB Pro variant but unfortunately that's only available directly from Google (at least here in Finland). It also means no trade-in offers. It's too pricey considering it has Tensor. Such a shame that other Android manufacturers do not have flagships that are more reasonable in size. My S23 has poor cameras and I'd really like to upgrade sooner rather than later... I guess I'll probably have to accept the fact that my next phone is probably going to be a brick.
 

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I'm personally so underwhelmed at this launch, and how much is stripped out of the base 9 vs. the 9 Pro, that I might just settle for an 8A-256GB model to replace my dying A52 5g.
 
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I would love to replace my Pixel 8 because battery drain on the road is really bad. Any basic usage eats battery, the chip efficiency is really bad. But at these prices I will definitely wait for Tensor's TSMC version...
 
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Any basic usage eats battery, the chip efficiency is really bad.
Not sure what counts as basic usage for you but I mostly use my Motorola Edge 30 for Whatsapp and some bank apps etc. Easily lasts two days. Youtube drains it faster. But the battery saving mode at the 20% battery left mark manages to give it surprisingly longer Youtube viewing time. And my Alcatel 1x2019 phone actually gets snappier with battery saving mode. Would turn it on permanently if these phones wouldn't turn the battery mode off every time I charge them.
 

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I'm personally so underwhelmed at this launch, and how much is stripped out of the base 9 vs. the 9 Pro, that I might just settle for an 8A-256GB model to replace my dying A52 5g.
Google has essentially raised prices to iPhone levels, for a phone that can't actually match the iPhone's hardware (SoC and modem notably).

Pixel 9 Pro XL 256 GB = $1199
iPhone 15 Pro Max 256 GB = $1199

Pixel 9 Pro 128 GB = $999
iPhone 15 Pro 128 GB = $999

Pixel 9 128 GB = $799
iPhone 15 128 GB = $799

The prices in other countries isn't much better either.

Considering the minor spec upgrades, the price increase does not feel deserved.
 
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Google will have fully self-designed Tensor G5 chips made on TSMC’s 3nm process, ending 4-years of work with Samsung, media report, adding Tensor G5, made for Google Pixel smartphones and Gemini AI, will also use TSMC advanced packaging, InFO-POP. The report also cites an unnamed investment banker saying Google’s Axion CPU is being made on TSMC’s 5nm process
 
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