poke01
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Custom in house CPU or Cortex? One would assume so by the statement “fully self-designed”.What?
Custom in house CPU or Cortex? One would assume so by the statement “fully self-designed”.What?
The SoC is "fully self-designed", whereas the cores themselves are off-the-shelf Cortex CPUs and Mali GPUs.Custom in house CPU or Cortex? One would assume so by the statement “fully self-designed”.
Dont forget ufs 3.1, even some midrange now are using ufs 4.0.By this point, the SoC + Modem is the biggest weak point for the Pixel.
Google Tensor G4 explained: Everything you need to know about the Pixel 9 processor
The Google Pixel 9 series sports a new Tensor G4 processor. Here's everything that you need to know about it.www.androidauthority.com
The rest of the hardware is actually fine... great even. Excellent display, build quality and camera system.
You're also looking at some of the most redined DUV machines out there vs. Early EUV machines with Samsung's unfortunately typical process implementation issues. SMIC can use heavy multi-patterning and likely be quite close or exceed Samsung's effective product results. SMIC also likely is less sensitive to cost and will not be as concerned about maximizing density or yields. However, in general, Samsung's track record speaks for itself.It made me realize how awful is Samsung EUV against SMIC DUV!
Indeed, but still Samsung should have the edge, not SMICYou're also looking at some of the most redined DUV machines out there vs. Early EUV machines with Samsung's unfortunately typical process implementation issues. SMIC can use heavy multi-patterning and likely be quite close or exceed Samsung's effective product results. SMIC also likely is less sensitive to cost and will not be as concerned about maximizing density or yields. However, in general, Samsung's track record speaks for itself.
Indeed, but still Samsung should have the edge, not SMIC
I can see them eventually making 7nm chips in a very decent production cost. With DUV, showing up how strong could be the process.
Don't all smartphone SoCs do that? The RAM is stacked on top of the logic die.Why InFO_PoP? Are they stacking memory on top of the SoC?
Don't all smartphone SoCs do that? The RAM is stacked on top of the logic die.
Thats google issue more than Samsung foundry. This is Tensor G3 vs Sd 888Indeed, but still Samsung should have the edge, not SMIC
I can see them eventually making 7nm chips in a very decent production cost. With DUV, showing up how strong could be the process.
That sounds really sobering when you put it that way.View attachment 105517
Even though G3 has newer cores like Cortex X3 and A715 it fail to beat sd 888
Why not? Phones are fast enough and have been for sometime. I run my phone in low performance mode all the time because my problem is battery life. I prefer getting 12-14 hours screen on time.They can't do that if the silicon is subpar.
Why not? Phones are fast enough and have been for sometime. I run my phone in low performance mode all the time because my problem is battery life. I prefer getting 12-14 hours screen on time.
Most of the phone differentiators are in auxiliary units anyway. Camera processing, ML crap, GPU and so on. Now the Tensor might not be good at any of them - I haven't used one - but I don't think having a worse GB6 score prevents them from offering better user experiences with more accelerators.
But the price is too high for me.
Tensor is why I left the 6 pro for Samsung ultra series. I always had Google pixel phones before. I couldn't even go down the street without the 6 pro losing signal/data and this would require either toggling airplane mode on and off or rebooting.
Not to mention it would hear up quickly and battery life on mobile data drained very quickly. I hope they improve it if they plan on using it but at this point google is charging as much as other flagships but not providing the same equal level of hardware. The only thing I miss from the pixels are the cameras.
I don't think Unisoc compete with Tensor or Kirin Line of soc. Unisoc is for ultra budget devices and they are doing preety good job.If Pixel 10 fails, I am afraid of Google's future. I mean, if even with TSMC they fails, is clearly that they are not doing the job well.
At least would be beyond UNISOC which is failing hard and even Huawei managed to comeback pretty fast. Their Kirin 8000 practically is on par with Dimensity 7300, which says how behind is UNISOC.