GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[brianmanahan]

at this point, from an affordability standpoint i think it'd be better just to go back to what we had pre-ACA.

- don't require insurers to cover pre-existing conditions
- don't require insurers to cover high-risk individuals
- don't require insurers to cover insured's kids over age 17
- don't require insurers to cap out-of-pocket expenses to some maximum amount

going back to the old way wouldn't even benefit me, it would prevent me from ever getting coverage outside of my job due to pre-existings. but it's the only way that health insurance is going to be affordable to tons of people short of going to single payer, which will NEVER happen in the US (far too many health insurance industry interests to make something like that happen).

i know someone grossing 60$k a year who already pays 12$k on premiums and 12$k on deductible. they can't save for retirement, they are just trying to survive 10 years until medicare.

if a few of us have to be uninsurable to make it affordable for most everyone else, so be it.

i'm gonna die sometime, doesn't make a lot of difference if it happens a decade or two sooner.

 

[feralkid]

i'm gonna die sometime, doesn't make a lot of difference if it happens a decade or two sooner.

I think you'll find it does, to most other people.

 

[chowderhead]

I guess I should get long puts on Apple stock... According to Chaffetz 52 million Americans won't be able to upgrade their phones by 2026.

Why are you against freedom and market forces? If those 52 million people cannot form a political action committee and get rich donors to pay for their Verizon bills and probably an iphone like Rep. Chaffetz did
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...tz_donors_might_pay_for_iphone_data_plan.html

then the terrorists have won. It's all about access to healthcare not ACTUAL healthcare. You can have access to healthcare (and iphones) if you get some rich superPac to pay for it.

 

[Jhhnn]

at this point, from an affordability standpoint i think it'd be better just to go back to what we had pre-ACA.

- don't require insurers to cover pre-existing conditions
- don't require insurers to cover high-risk individuals
- don't require insurers to cover insured's kids over age 17
- don't require insurers to cap out-of-pocket expenses to some maximum amount

going back to the old way wouldn't even benefit me, it would prevent me from ever getting coverage outside of my job due to pre-existings. but it's the only way that health insurance is going to be affordable to tons of people short of going to single payer, which will NEVER happen in the US (far too many health insurance industry interests to make something like that happen).

i know someone grossing 60$k a year who already pays 12$k on premiums and 12$k on deductible. they can't save for retirement, they are just trying to survive 10 years until medicare.

if a few of us have to be uninsurable to make it affordable for most everyone else, so be it.

i'm gonna die sometime, doesn't make a lot of difference if it happens a decade or two sooner.

So, FYGM, obviously.

 

[ivwshane]

at this point, from an affordability standpoint i think it'd be better just to go back to what we had pre-ACA.

- don't require insurers to cover pre-existing conditions
- don't require insurers to cover high-risk individuals
- don't require insurers to cover insured's kids over age 17
- don't require insurers to cap out-of-pocket expenses to some maximum amount

going back to the old way wouldn't even benefit me, it would prevent me from ever getting coverage outside of my job due to pre-existings. but it's the only way that health insurance is going to be affordable to tons of people short of going to single payer, which will NEVER happen in the US (far too many health insurance industry interests to make something like that happen).

i know someone grossing 60$k a year who already pays 12$k on premiums and 12$k on deductible. they can't save for retirement, they are just trying to survive 10 years until medicare.

if a few of us have to be uninsurable to make it affordable for most everyone else, so be it.

i'm gonna die sometime, doesn't make a lot of difference if it happens a decade or two sooner.

Yep! Totally! I yearn for the days when people had cheap insurance but couldn't use it when they really needed it without going bankrupt or hiring a good lawyer.

Awe, the good'ol days.







/facepalm

 

[sandorski]

Yep! Totally! I yearn for the days when people had cheap insurance but couldn't use it when they really needed it without going bankrupt or hiring a good lawyer.

Awe, the good'ol days.







/facepalm

Why do you want to take away Americans Freedom to choose between foregoing Medical Treatment in order to Eat or Eating just to die from a Treatable Illness? What's wrong with you Mang??

 

[Phokus]

I think i understand why the GOP didn't want to present a unified Obamacare replacement before the election now, if they presented that turd to the American people, Hillary would have won in a landslide even if it turned out she murdered kittens in her spare time.

 

[brianmanahan]

i guess i'm over the illusion that things can get better for most people.

it's likely that the 80's and 90's were the pinnacle of overall quality of life in the US (or at least a local maximum), and things are just going to get worse for a lot of people. people will get sick and lose everything or die unnecessarily, but that's nothing new. it was the norm before the mid-1900's.

i won't be surprised if this continues through at least 2050.

 

[feralkid]

i guess i'm over the illusion that things can get better for most people.

it's likely that the 80's and 90's were the pinnacle of overall quality of life in the US (or at least a local maximum), and things are just going to get worse for a lot of people. people will get sick and lose everything or die unnecessarily, but that's nothing new. it was the norm before the mid-1900's.

i won't be surprised if this continues through at least 2050.

Ever think of working for change?

I mean...you don't just have to sit there and take it.

It may sound corny, but...
You are needed.



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[Fanatical Meat]

I have two major pet peeves I keep hearing people on the news repeat and nobody challenges them.
1st- They keep reciting that the CBO was off by 50% with ACA enrollment. We'll skip the fact that some states refused to set up exchanges, the estimate was 50% too low so if we were to apply the same logic instead of 14 million losing insurance it could be 28 million, not 7 million.
2nd- I keep hearing the cost increases are essentially neutral and lower after 2026. Problem is all percentages are not equal. A handful of 20 year olds paying 25% less on policies that are under $50 per month is not equal to a 55 year old paying 25% more for a $200 per month policy.

 

[senseamp]

Cool chart from Bloomberg, pretty much all the benefits of the tax cuts will go to Democrat counties.

 

[piasabird]

My answer is I dont know.

With Republicans like McCain, I dont see how Trump can pass any legislation. However, Trump has the ability to thwart all funding for ACA and let it fail on its own. He could just issue a bunch of Waivers like Romney suggested. I think if Government Workers get waivers everyone else should also. Just not allowing the IRS to enforce ACA and not paying subsidies to Insurance companies is enough to collapse ACA. No reason to repeal it. Just remove ACA from the budget. It does the same thing.

If Trump wants to cut the budget, that is fine for me. He can start by getting out of this war with Syria and cutting areas like the NSA so they cant afford to keep track of all of our phone calls.

When it comes to spying on Americans you should realize that the Federal Government does so by all the open back doors in all of our phones and how the Telcom companies cooperate with the federal government and how the NSA allows Foreign countries to access that data. This all needs to end. I think we should Pardon Snowden and let him advise us.

 

[piasabird]

Start pulling our troops out of the Socialist European Countries.

 

[Thebobo]

Start pulling our troops out of the Socialist European Countries.

Lol socialist European Countries don't forget Canada and China then.

 

[Jhhnn]

Cool chart from Bloomberg, pretty much all the benefits of the tax cuts will go to Democrat counties.

Conservative culture warriors are horribly exploited by the financial elite. Their resentment runs so deep that they're apparently willing to screw themselves in order to taste delicious liberal tears.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Just not allowing the IRS to enforce ACA and not paying subsidies to Insurance companies is enough to collapse ACA. No reason to repeal it. Just remove ACA from the budget. It does the same thing.

So Trump should kill the ACA by screwing everyone? Sure the ACA would fail, and in doing so leave many tens of millions with no option for health insurance at all. It would be the greatest act of political cowardice I've ever seen.

If Trump wants to cut the budget, that is fine for me. He can start by getting out of this war with Syria and cutting areas like the NSA so they cant afford to keep track of all of our phone calls.

Trump can't do that. He wants to defeat ISIS, and he needs to increase our military budget because his answer to every foreign policy issue (other than Russia) is to use the threat of our military might. We are falling behind some imaginary arms race with someone. I don't think he is quite sure who, and neither am I.

 

[FIVR]

I'm hoping this passes. Democrats would be foolish to stand in the way of this... but knowing Democrats they will oppose it to the end. Hopefully Ryan get get this plan through... it's basically a 200k+ check to every single rich liberal in the US. I will be donating my capital gains tax cut straight to the ACLU so they can sue the Trump administration.



Pretty comical their health plan is basically going to fund more lawsuits against them.

 

[Fern]

Yep! Totally! I yearn for the days when people had cheap insurance but couldn't use it when they really needed it without going bankrupt or hiring a good lawyer.

Awe, the good'ol days.


/facepalm

LOL. Yeah much better to have very expensive HI with the deductible so high it's virtually useless. But hey! we're 'insured'.

Fern

 

[m8d]

Trump friend and ally tells him to dump Ryan's plan and do lightweight version of a single-payer health care system .http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14923784/christopher-ruddy-medicaid

 

[SMOGZINN]

If choice is what the Republicans want let everyone have the choice to choose Medicaid. You can then still choose to buy your own insurance if you don't like the government plan.

 

[brycejones]

If choice is what the Republicans want let everyone have the choice to choose Medicaid. You can then still choose to buy your own insurance if you don't like the government plan.

Socialism never!

Said the teabaggers.

 

[ivwshane]

LOL. Yeah much better to have very expensive HI with the deductible so high it's virtually useless. But hey! we're 'insured'.

Fern

I'm sorry were you trying to make the point that our current health care under the ACA should be improved or were you agreeing with the point I was actually making that what we had was far worse?

Careful, I wouldn't want you to get straw all over your shoes.

 

[Fern]

I'm sorry were you trying to make the point that our current health care under the ACA should be improved or were you agreeing with the point I was actually making that what we had was far worse?

Careful, I wouldn't want you to get straw all over your shoes.

You were apparently saying that cheap HI was no good because we couldn't use it.

I'm saying that expensive HI that we can't use is no good either, only more expensive.

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Otherwise, you seem to confuse HI with health care. HI =/= HC. The apparent inability of people to differentiate the two, particularly many in Congress, is a large part of our problem in trying to solve the problem.

Fern

 

[woolfe9998]

I'm hoping this passes. Democrats would be foolish to stand in the way of this... but knowing Democrats they will oppose it to the end. Hopefully Ryan get get this plan through... it's basically a 200k+ check to every single rich liberal in the US. I will be donating my capital gains tax cut straight to the ACLU so they can sue the Trump administration.



Pretty comical their health plan is basically going to fund more lawsuits against them.

The political consequences of passing this turd of a bill are indeed very bad. But passing nothing at all will be worse. Voters reject parties in total control who don't get things done. It affects midterm elections a great deal.

 

[ivwshane]

You were apparently saying that cheap HI was no good because we couldn't use it.

I'm saying that expensive HI that we can't use is no good either, only more expensive.

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Otherwise, you seem to confuse HI with health care. HI =/= HC. The apparent inability of people to differentiate the two, particularly many in Congress, is a large part of our problem in trying to solve the problem.

Fern

Reading comprehension is indeed difficult. Did you see the part where I referenced the ACA, you know the current law that regulates insurance?

I take your total deflection of my point, twice now, as an admission that my point was correct; a free market health care system (including free market insurance) was not better than what we have now.