GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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zinfamous

No Lifer
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If ACA is so bad, why can't the whole Republican party, backed by billions of dollars worth of think tanks, come up with anything better?

Well, the billion dollar republican think tanks did come up with the ACA...but the GOP hates it (because black muslim man touched it) and denies the history of their republican hands all over the bill.
 

Sea Ray

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Medicare is not a failure, ask the people on it what they'd do without it.
Now take a guess at what I'd replace the ACA with?

Medicare for all is an option. I don't think most Americans want that. The ones getting their insurance from employers or the gov't, 85%, really don't want a radical change.
 

Sea Ray

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Republicans get the principle that I've been hammering for months. This is about freedom of choice for the consumer:

The Cruz amendment introduces what is called the "Consumer Freedom Option." The Consumer Freedom Option allows insurers who offer Obamacare-compliant plans to offer a range of less costly plans. In other words, it empowers people and families to pick and choose what they want in their own insurance packages.

Some families want, and can afford, blanket coverage that insures them for everything from cancer to contraceptives. If you want to pay for that coverage, go for it.

What about people with lower incomes or healthy lifestyles that want the other extreme?

They can opt for slimmed-down coverage that protects them from major medical expenses, such as costly ongoing treatments for a serious disease. These families may choose to pay for more routine medical expenses, such as checkups, out of pocket. One benefit is that since more people will pay directly for medical services, they are likely to shop around for the best prices, and this competition will lower prices for everyone.

In other words, the Cruz amendment is pro-choice — which I thought was one of the tenets of liberalism. Cruz tells me that based on the preliminary numbers, he believes this approach could save tens of millions of Americans as much as 30 percent on their health costs. That's thousands of dollars of savings per family.

http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/StephenMoore/ted-cruz-republicans-health-care/2017/07/18/id/802268/
 

K1052

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Collins and Capito out with statements that they will not vote for the Motion To Proceed. Portman real unlikely also.

Down to it's last gasps.
 
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Republicans get the principle that I've been hammering for months. This is about freedom of choice for the consumer:



http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/StephenMoore/ted-cruz-republicans-health-care/2017/07/18/id/802268/

Basic problem is it becomes a race to the bottom, healthy people who want the lowest rates will jump on the cheapest minimal plan possible, thus decreasing the health providers margins. Unhealthy people will choose the maximum coverage affordable, thus decreasing the health providers margins.
I don't understand why its so difficult for people to understand you pay more when you are young so you can pay less when you are older.
I do understand that any changes to healthcare will always result in winners and losers. I just ask people to remember a 50% cut on a $125.00 per month policy and a 20% increase on a $1200 per month policy does not equal an average of 30% savings.
 

K1052

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Republicans get the principle that I've been hammering for months. This is about freedom of choice for the consumer:

What choice? The choice to be poor and die because you can only afford coverage that is useless?
 
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A Republican close to the White House who is also in frequent touch with the Hill said there is more than enough blame to go around.

"He was playing with a firetruck and trying on a cowboy hat as the bill was collapsing, and he had no clue," this top Republican told CNN this morning, mocking the "Made In America" week at the White House.

That's just harsh.
 

Sea Ray

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Yep, let the poors have the "freedom" of no/crappy health coverage and dying of easily treatable conditions. Liberty!

No, I'm letting the poors have options of more affordable plans. They need it more than any of us
 

K1052

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No, I'm letting the poors have options of more affordable plans. They need it more than any of us

Congrats your plan is more affordable. Oh you still don't have the money to buy it and even if you did it basically covers nothing?

Welcome to Freedom. Enjoy!
 

Sea Ray

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Basic problem is it becomes a race to the bottom, healthy people who want the lowest rates will jump on the cheapest minimal plan possible, thus decreasing the health providers margins. Unhealthy people will choose the maximum coverage affordable, thus decreasing the health providers margins.
I don't understand why its so difficult for people to understand you pay more when you are young so you can pay less when you are older.
I do understand that any changes to healthcare will always result in winners and losers. I just ask people to remember a 50% cut on a $125.00 per month policy and a 20% increase on a $1200 per month policy does not equal an average of 30% savings.

I don't see it that way. My wife has had breast cancer and open heart surgery but I'd still pick the cheaper plan that does not include free preventative and other things. Even free mammograms don't do us any good 'cause she needs "diagnostic" mammograms, not the standard ones considered preventative.

So in short I don't agree with your tea leaves that you're reading.
 

brycejones

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Congrats your plan is more affordable. Oh you still don't have the money to buy it and even if you did it basically covers nothing?

Welcome to Freedom. Enjoy!

And has a $10,000 deductible. Covers 2 days of hospitalization, 1 MRI, and removal of your left kidney only by a 1st year med student. Anything else is on your own.
 

dainthomas

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No, I'm letting the poors have options of more affordable plans. They need it more than any of us

Like I said: crappy high deductible plans that won't pay for easily treatable conditions like diabetes. With any luck they'll die quickly so the rich won't be unduly burdened.
 

Sea Ray

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Congrats your plan is more affordable. Oh you still don't have the money to buy it and even if you did it basically covers nothing?

Welcome to Freedom. Enjoy!

It basically covers nothing now. I still will have the option to buy plans with Obamacare's essential elements.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Republicans get the principle that I've been hammering for months. This is about freedom of choice for the consumer:



http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/StephenMoore/ted-cruz-republicans-health-care/2017/07/18/id/802268/

lol, you buy it as "freedom" because Cruz named it "the freedom option." The details of his amendment are far, far from allowing freedom--it gives the "Freedom of choice" to the state, which, as you know, will effectively eliminate that choice from actual consumers.

lol. republicans are so easily duped by simple catch phrases. Just ask an actual healthcare policy analyst to explain the Cruz amendment to you. It will make you sad.
 
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brycejones

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lol, you buy it as "freedom" because Cruz named it "the freedom option." The details of his amendment are far, far from allowing freedom--it gives the "Freedom of choice" to the state, which, as you know, will effectively eliminate that choice from actual consumers.

lol. republicans are so easily duped by simple catch phrases. Just ask an actual healthcare policy analyst to explain the Cruz amendment to you. It will make you sad.

Sea-Ray doesn't care about actual coverage or healthcare. He just wants cheap insurance (that may or may not cover anything meaningful) even if his wife is hosed in the process.
 
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I don't see it that way. My wife has had breast cancer and open heart surgery but I'd still pick the cheaper plan that does not include free preventative and other things. Even free mammograms don't do us any good 'cause she needs "diagnostic" mammograms, not the standard ones considered preventative.

So in short I don't agree with your tea leaves that you're reading.

I can accept that feedback, just an example of the winners vs losers point.
 

VRAMdemon

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Donald Trump: - Republicans should just REPEAL failing ObamaCare now & work on a new Healthcare Plan that will start from a clean slate. Dems will join in!"

Huh?!..what the Fuck does this even mean?

Do they stop the federal exchanges? Withdraw the money from Medicaid? Do they tell people "hey, you're not insured anymore. we'll figure something out?"
Sorry..."Repeal" is meaningless drivel. This despite the fact that they already tried this and didn't have the votes, hence Repeal and Replace, which it turns out they also didn't have the votes for.

What it means is that Trump is repeating the stuff he watches on TV.

Of course their "healthcare" legislation was defeated - because they've not for a single day ever had an honest conversation about how to improve healthcare in this country. The irony is that the Republicans, who used to be the insurance industry's friend, are now getting cross with the insurance industry, many of whom actually were willing to make a newer, improved version of Obamacare that gives them automatic mandated income a chance to work.

It is now beyond evident that for Republicans, "healthcare reform" was really code speak for "entitlements reform" -- as in basically gutting the entire system, ridding us of Medicaid and, yes, maybe even Medicare. They have no leadership from the President and don't have a fuckin clue.
 
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I don't get Trumps weird hang up of destroying everything Obama did. The ideas he talked about when he was Canidate Trump sound like they could be accomplished by modifying the ACA, Democrats have said numerous times they'll support modifications that improve access and coverage.
I don't want to hear Trump is doing what he asks because of his base. He's changed his mind several times, why not change on this too?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Republicans get the principle that I've been hammering for months. This is about freedom of choice for the consumer:



http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/StephenMoore/ted-cruz-republicans-health-care/2017/07/18/id/802268/

Freedumb!

On one side, we have armies of Insurance Co analysts, statisticians, executives & lawyers trying to maximize profit by minimizing benefits with el Cheapo plans. On the other side, we have delusional Trump voters believing they can somehow outsmart those guys if they only had more ways to get screwed.

It boggles the mind.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
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It is now beyond evident that... Republicans ... don't have a fuckin clue.
It is a must pass tax cut bill for the very wealthy. That part they understand. The Kochs are not amused by this setback. They want to be even richer before they die.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
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Maybe Ivanka should just copy from Justin T.
This would be the best outcome. It won't happen. The congressional medical industrial complex will burn our economy to the ground before the thought of doing the right thing is ever taken seriously.
 
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