GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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Sea Ray

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lol, you buy it as "freedom" because Cruz named it "the freedom option." The details of his amendment are far, far from allowing freedom--it gives the "Freedom of choice" to the state, which, as you know, will effectively eliminate that choice from actual consumers.

lol. republicans are so easily duped by simple catch phrases. Just ask an actual healthcare policy analyst to explain the Cruz amendment to you. It will make you sad.

If my Governor doesn't allow insurance companies to offer plans that don't include essential benefits then I'll vote him out.
 

Sea Ray

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Sea-Ray doesn't care about actual coverage or healthcare. He just wants cheap insurance (that may or may not cover anything meaningful) even if his wife is hosed in the process.

I do want cheap, I prefer the term affordable, options for everyone. Why don't you?
 

Sea Ray

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Those plans are basically useless. Can you predict if you will have cancer next year?

A plan that makes you pay a co-pay for preventative still covers cancer. Ditto for other essential elements such as birth control, mental health and children's dental. In fact I can't think of any of the essential benefits that's tied to paying for cancer.
 

K1052

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I'm not talking Medicaid. I'm talking about the rest of us who do pay for our insurance. Medicaid is something else

The bill that contains the Cruz amendment you're enamored with guts Medicaid. So those people will be what...free to not buy with non-existent money inexpensive but useless plans?
 

Sea Ray

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The bill that contains the Cruz amendment you're enamored with guts Medicaid. So those people will be what...free to not buy with non-existent money inexpensive but useless plans?

The two principles are not linked. I said that I liked this principle of the Cruz Amendment. As for Medicaid, cutting its growth is a good thing. If you insist on keeping it in full, fine. Just give the rest of us who are paying our way, choices
 
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So your only answer is single payer?

That is the safe answer. I have yet to have anyone point to a free market(ish) healthcare system that works efficiently for anything but profits.
I'm up for reviewing some if you can find any.
 

K1052

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The two principles are not linked. I said that I liked this principle of the Cruz Amendment. As for Medicaid, cutting its growth is a good thing. If you insist on keeping it in full, fine. Just give the rest of us who are paying our way, choices

That's just an invention of a political reality that doesn't exist. Of course they are linked since the amendment is inside the bill and was negotiated in that context.

You can't cut Medicaid growth with straight up cuts to the program without impacting coverage, which is what's being proposed. Not increased efficiency for Medicaid...simply spending a ton less money on it and make the states decide who to fuck over.
 

Sea Ray

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That is the safe answer. I have yet to have anyone point to a free market(ish) healthcare system that works efficiently for anything but profits.
I'm up for reviewing some if you can find any.

No question, any free market solution can be picked apart because everyone is not guaranteed coverage. I'm not going to go into a dissertation of the free market healthcare system but I do want to acknowledge the real world in the USA today. And that is that single payer is not on the table right now. Republicans don't want it and many Dems don't either. Hillary is one of those Dems. So face the fact that it's not a possibility. With that in mind, we have to come up with the best free market solution. Obamacare ain't it IMO.
 
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No question, any free market solution can be picked apart because everyone is not guaranteed coverage. I'm not going to go into a dissertation of the free market healthcare system but I do want to acknowledge the real world in the USA today. And that is that single payer is not on the table right now. Republicans don't want it and many Dems don't either. Hillary is one of those Dems. So face the fact that it's not a possibility. With that in mind, we have to come up with the best free market solution. Obamacare ain't it IMO.

then why trash Obamacare and start all over? Why not take whats good, improve what is bad?
 

fskimospy

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No question, any free market solution can be picked apart because everyone is not guaranteed coverage. I'm not going to go into a dissertation of the free market healthcare system but I do want to acknowledge the real world in the USA today. And that is that single payer is not on the table right now. Republicans don't want it and many Dems don't either. Hillary is one of those Dems. So face the fact that it's not a possibility. With that in mind, we have to come up with the best free market solution. Obamacare ain't it IMO.

Hillary was not one of those dems, this is a false statement. She said she didn't consider it achievable in the current political climate, not that she did not support it.

If you have a better free market plan by all means let us know. My bet is that what you come up with is either unworkable or looks a lot like the ACA. You're going to have to learn the same hard lesson that Republicans are learning right now.
 

Jhhnn

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The idea is that we can reduce the cost and thereby reduce the subsidies needed

And... cut taxes for the financial elite. That's really the whole point of the exercise. Elements of the financial elite deeply resent the people dictating to them than the other way around. They think they should Rule.
 

K1052

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Collins and Capito out with statements that they will not vote for the Motion To Proceed. Portman real unlikely also.

Down to it's last gasps.

Murkowski a no on the MTP.

He's dead, Jim. /Bones
 

K1052

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And Trump just now:



Someone should really inform him that he and the GOP will be blamed. Congresscritters appear smart enough to understand this.
 
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And Trump just now:



Someone should really inform him that he and the GOP will be blamed. Congresscritters appear smart enough to understand this.

Yeah, I don't understand this argument at all. For it to fail funding needs to be cut which can be done but why would cutting funding exempt the person who cut the funding from blame?
 

Puffnstuff

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I believe that the GOP is wagging the dog with this topic in an attempt to draw attention away from our disgraceful president.
 

K1052

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Yeah, I don't understand this argument at all. For it to fail funding needs to be cut which can be done but why would cutting funding exempt the person who cut the funding from blame?

Because it makes no sense, at all. I wonder if he'll cut the CSR payments in a bid to make his vision happen faster. Then all hell will break loose.
 
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