When Trump said he was gonna drive 'er home, he apparently meant right to the short hairs...
This does sound like that better and cheaper insurance Trump promised during his campaign....
Yup, would love to see it. Unfortunately I don't think middle class Americans are ready for another big addition to their payroll taxes ala Medicare/SS, which is what it would take to fund single payer. Even if the math worked out and, say, those in the middle no longer paid $4,000 in private HC premiums every year and instead paid $2,000 in payroll taxes each year for their single payer, it would still be an incredibly hard sell. Just from a practical standpoint, no way the nutters in power would agree to the necessary payroll tax increases to make this happen. The only shot is January 2021 when Repubs are out of power.
Oh man this lunch is a hot mess.
Trump promises 60-70% premium drops, makes awkward jokes about Heller (who's sitting next to him), and says the Senate should stay though the summer to work on healthcare.
Yup, would love to see it. Unfortunately I don't think middle class Americans are ready for another big addition to their payroll taxes ala Medicare/SS, which is what it would take to fund single payer. Even if the math worked out and, say, those in the middle no longer paid $4,000 in private HC premiums every year and instead paid $2,000 in payroll taxes each year for their single payer, it would still be an incredibly hard sell. Just from a practical standpoint, no way the nutters in power would agree to the necessary payroll tax increases to make this happen. The only shot is January 2021 when Repubs are out of power.
A new poll suggests the country may be shifting toward the political left on the issue, with 62 percent saying it’s the federal government’s responsibility to make sure that all Americans have health care coverage, while 37 percent say it is not.
The survey findings from the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research indicate a change in public attitudes over the past few months, as concerns mounted about GOP legislation estimated to leave tens of millions without coverage.
“Nobody should be without insurance,” said Louise Prieto of Fort Lee, New Jersey, a retiree covered by Medicare. She said she’s most concerned about seniors, children and people with pre-existing medical conditions. The latest Republican legislation — repealing “Obamacare” with no replacement— would increase the number of people who are uninsured by 32 million in 2026, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
As recently as March, the AP-NORC poll had found Americans more ambivalent about the federal government’s role, with a slim 52 percent majority saying health coverage is a federal responsibility, and 47 percent saying it is not.
Seventy-three percent opposed giving states the option to let insurers charge some people higher premiums because of their medical history. And 57 percent opposed allowing states to reduce the types of benefits that federal law now requires insurers to cover. Similarly, 64 percent opposed allowing states to permit some health plans to omit coverage for mental health and drug addiction treatment. There was also solid opposition to Medicaid cuts (62 percent) and overwhelming disapproval (78 percent) for allowing insurers to raise premiums for older adults beyond what is currently permitted.
You'd be wrong about that.
In a recent poll conducted by The Economist/YouGov (Apr. 2-4, 2017), Question #81 was: "Opinion on health reforms – Expanding Medicare to provide health insurance to every American."
The responses broke down to this: 60% approved (somewhat to strongly approved), 23% opposed (somewhat to strongly opposed), 17% unsure.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/divhts7l9t/econTabReport.pdf
(Question 81, pg. 88)
This poll tracks others, so, yes, most Americans favor something like expanding Medicare for all.
You keep dancing around a big issue. Your wife is 60 yrs old, has a history of cancer and heart problems. She will be uninsurable with the exception of whatever sick pool your state opens up.
Oh & don't forget, in the blink of an eye you'll be age 55, get ready for premium increases that will make your eyes bulge!
Medicare only pays about 80% of medical expenses. Folks also aren't figuring on tax increases on them to pay for it. Both Presidential candidates were against Medicare for all. Do you really think most people want Medicare when they'll also have to pay out of their own pocket for a gap plan?
Close the gap and tax the wealthy to do it. Done.
It really is that easy. The only thing standing in the way is bought politicians.If only it were that easy.
$4000 per year? Try $14,400 per year with a $3000 deductible for my family plan. Healthcare costs me more than federal and state income taxes combined. Increase my Medicare taxes eightfold but get rid of my healthcare spending and I come out ahead. Single payer is a no-brainer for me.
It really is that easy. The only thing standing in the way is bought politicians.
Employers really need to lay out the costs of their health plans for the employees to see. If everybody knew what the private insurance industry actually costs, we would have a single payer system last Tuesday.For someone like you or me, it saves us a lot of money but most Americans won't see it that way. Most Americans aren't paying anywhere near that much. They will balk at a significant tax increase to pay for their healthcare
There are only so many rich folks but they have a crap ton more money than they used to. The rich have been kicking ass in class warfare.There's only so many rich guys you can tax. After awhile you have to find others to tax.
There are only so many rich folks but they have a crap ton more money than they used to. The rich have been kicking ass in class warfare.
Employers really need to lay out the costs of their health plans for the employees to see. If everybody knew what the private insurance industry actually costs, we would have a single payer system last Tuesday.
There are only so many rich folks but they have a crap ton more money than they used to. The rich have been kicking ass in class warfare.
What would it cost if we insured everybody, all 326 million Americans?
Somewhere between $2.5 trillion and $3.5 trillion. An additional $1.35 trillion to $2.35 trillion more than the feds spend on Medicaid/Medicare now.
In 2016 the feds only brought in $3.27 trillion and spent $3.85 trillion. Where are the extra trillions supposed to come from? Taxes? To cover everyone and pay for it via taxes means the average person would owe an additional $4,100 to $7,200 every year. At a minimum, a family of four would have to pay $16,400 extra. You can buy a damn good private insurance policy for that kind of money … and have enough left over for a down-payment on a nice car.
That's some strawman you put up there. Let's tax all income at the current marginal personal income tax rates (abolish the billionaire welfare rate on capital gains) and subject all income to Medicare taxation. Oh look, problem solved. Enjoy a dog biscuit in a commie free world. It really is that easy. The only thing standing in the way is bought politicians.They have but we only have 500 billionaires in this country. Tax them all a million dollars and we still have only a half bill. That's pennies and nickels what it'll cost to fund this.
Do you have any idea how much money it'd take to fund single payer? I think this article describes it pretty well:
http://www.thedailyliberator.com/much-single-payer-health-insurance-cost/
Let me know where we're going to find $3 trillion
They have but we only have 500 billionaires in this country. Tax them all a million dollars and we still have only a half bill. That's pennies and nickels what it'll cost to fund this.
Do you have any idea how much money it'd take to fund single payer? I think this article describes it pretty well:
http://www.thedailyliberator.com/much-single-payer-health-insurance-cost/
Let me know where we're going to find $3 trillion
Adding a public plan to the exchanges in the manner described in this option would reduce federal budget deficits by $158 billion through 2023, according to estimates by CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT). That figure reflects a $37 billion reduction in outlays (mostly from a decrease in exchange subsidies) and a $121 billion increase in revenues (mainly from changes in employment-based health insurance coverage). Those estimates include the option’s effects on other spending and revenues related to health insurance coverage, such as outlays for Medicaid and penalty payments by large employers who do not offer “affordable” health insurance and by people who do not obtain insurance.
Exchange subsidies would be an estimated $39 billion lower between 2016 and 2023 under this option than under current law. Although the premium subsidies are structured as refundable tax credits, in most cases the amounts of those credits will exceed the total amount of federal income tax that recipients owe, and the amounts above the tax owed by recipients are classified as outlays. The cost-sharing subsidies for enrollees in exchange plans are also categorized as outlays. The $39 billion estimated reduction in subsidies consists of a $35 billion reduction in outlays and a $4 billion increase in revenues.
That's some strawman you put up there. Let's tax all income at the current marginal personal income tax rates (abolish the billionaire welfare rate on capital gains) and subject all income to Medicare taxation. Oh look, problem solved. Enjoy a dog biscuit in a commie free world. It really is that easy. The only thing standing in the way is bought politicians.
Single payer improves access to healthcare but does nothing about healthcare costs. Current healthcare costs (ie the prices of stuff the US) are currently unsustainable.They have but we only have 500 billionaires in this country. Tax them all a million dollars and we still have only a half bill. That's pennies and nickels what it'll cost to fund this.
Do you have any idea how much money it'd take to fund single payer? I think this article describes it pretty well:
http://www.thedailyliberator.com/much-single-payer-health-insurance-cost/
Let me know where we're going to find $3 trillion
Single payer improves access to healthcare but does nothing about healthcare costs. Current healthcare costs (ie the prices of stuff the US) are currently unsustainable.
Giving everyone universal access to healthcare is a nice start, but more importantly as a country we need to decide how we want to bring healthcare costs down. Most countries that have universal coverage have numerous regulations and systems that dramatically lower costs and so allows them to cover everyone. In the US we have very little in terms of national policies to decrease the cost of stuff and so we spend/are charged much more for the same goods and services as other countries.
Simply opening up medicare to everyone is great but it will result in a massive ballooning of spending assuming we don't institute policies to cut drug prices, cut medical device prices, etc etc and trust me these industries are not going to just sit there and take it.