GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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fskimospy

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Cornyn apparently has mused about the House just passing the skinny repeal. I'm not sure that's going to soothe fence sitting senators who hope this just suffocates naturally/quietly in conference.

It seems bizarre that they would actually attempt to pass that into law as it would destroy the individual insurance markets and the effect would be obvious. It would be shooting themselves in the foot completely.
 

K1052

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It seems bizarre that they would actually attempt to pass that into law as it would destroy the individual insurance markets and the effect would be obvious. It would be shooting themselves in the foot completely.

But the primaries...
 

Jhhnn

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7 GOP senators voted against repealing Obamacare
The repeal-only health care bill amendment failed 55-45 just now in the Senate. Here are the Republican senators who voted no:
  • Shelley Moore Capito
  • John McCain
  • Lisa Murkowski
  • Susan Collins
  • Lamar Alexander
  • Rob Portman
  • Dean Heller
Six of those seven senators previously voted yes on this repeal-only plan in 2015, which Obama vetoed when it hit his desk.​

Symbolic vs real. Funny that.
 

K1052

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Interestingly nobody expected Alexander to vote against. He put out a statement too saying he won't vote on repeal without replace and worries about the exchanges....which would be in danger if the Senate even just passes a skinny.

I wonder if they have any idea who is for or against the skinny at this point.
 

Jhhnn

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It seems bizarre that they would actually attempt to pass that into law as it would destroy the individual insurance markets and the effect would be obvious. It would be shooting themselves in the foot completely.

Yes, but it's all about the tax cuts. Most Repubs would apparently take their chances with their voters rather than their donors....
 

Sea Ray

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Evidence of collapse in Ohio? Oh, are you referring to big behemoth insurers like Anthem pulling out? Let's take a look why:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/anthem-will-drop-out-of-ohios-obamacare-market.html


In other words, blame the GOP...

Yeah, the Republicans don't support a gov't bailout of insurance companies. Go figure. Obama didn't want that on his record either. That's why he signed legislation limiting these corridors:

Legislation signed in December 2014 by President Barack Obama contains provisions limiting payments under the ACA's risk corridors program.

https://www.bna.com/health-plans-seek-n17179926751/?amp=true
 

senseamp

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Republicans wrote a blank check to big pharma and expanded single payer Medicare without paying for it at all. They still refuse to let Medicare negotiate drug prices. It is a little bit late to pretend that they are against handouts to industries.
 

K1052

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Trump made the Interior Secretary call up Alaska's senators and threaten the state's economy to threaten retribution for Murkowski's "no" vote on the Motion to Proceed.

Early Wednesday, Trump took to Twitter to express displeasure with Murkowski's vote. By that afternoon, each of Alaska's two Republican senators had received a phone call from Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke letting them know the vote had put Alaska's future with the administration in jeopardy.

The response follows Trump's no-holds-barred style of governing, even when it comes to his own party. It is his first strike of retaliation against Murkowski, however, despite her tendency to stray from the party line and the president's priorities.

Alaska Sen. Dan Sullivan said the call from Zinke heralded a "troubling message."

"I'm not going to go into the details, but I fear that the strong economic growth, pro-energy, pro-mining, pro-jobs and personnel from Alaska who are part of those policies are going to stop," Sullivan said.

"I tried to push back on behalf of all Alaskans. … We're facing some difficult times and there's a lot of enthusiasm for the policies that Secretary Zinke and the president have been talking about with regard to our economy. But the message was pretty clear," Sullivan said. The Interior secretary also contacted Murkowski, he said.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/0...e-could-have-energy-repercussions-for-alaska/

This seems pretty rash given the following:

Murkowski isn't up until 2022.

She won as a write-in candidate in 2010 defeating her GOP rival, only one of two US senators to manage this ever. Handily beat her opponent in 2016. Not super vulnerable.

Chairs both the Senate Energy and Natural Resources committees. Committees Trump will need to pass shit that he wants.

Much harder to change her vote now without looking like she caved.
 

K1052

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"Put Alaska's future with the administration in jeopardy".....'Murica is in jeopardy.

Openly threatening the economy of a state you won by 15 points just because one of their Senators who isn't up for 6 years won't vote to let you take away the healthcare of thousands in that state is the definition of short sightedness.
 

ch33zw1z

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Openly threatening the economy of a state you won by 15 points just because one of their Senators who isn't up for 6 years won't vote to let you take away the healthcare of thousands in that state is the definition of short sightedness.

Very Trump-esque
 

Chromagnus

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Yeah, the Republicans don't support a gov't bailout of insurance companies. Go figure. Obama didn't want that on his record either. That's why he signed legislation limiting these corridors:



https://www.bna.com/health-plans-seek-n17179926751/?amp=true

Even if you want to call it a bailout (which is ridiculous) it is not a bailout of the insurance companies, it is a bailout of the American people in the individual market. The government was subsidizing your insurance premiums and it is your premium that Trump is no longer committing to pay. Without those subsidies rates in the individual market would go up another 30%, those are your rates going up 30%. (I don't recall the exact number so don't quote me on it)

The subsidies being pulled wouldn't be good for the market but the individual insurers could handle it, they would just raise your rates. They just can't operate in a market where they don't know if they will or won't have those premiums subsidized. Trump is intentionally injecting uncertainty into a market that is all about reducing uncertainty and that is why people are leaving. They aren't leaving because of the ACA right now, they are leaving because Trump is f**king with the market so that he can claim the market is failing. He is making it fail.
 
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Maybe today will be the day that I get:

More choices in healthcare
Lower premiums
Lower deductibles
Short wait times
Better care
Plus a whole bunch of other stuff

I thought this was going to be easy, come on Congress get a vote going!
 
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K1052

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Even if you want to call it a bailout (which is ridiculous) it is not a bailout of the insurance companies, it is a bailout of the American people in the individual market. The government was subsidizing your insurance premiums and it is your premium that Trump is no longer committing to pay. Without those subsidies rates in the individual market would go up another 30%, those are your rates going up 30%. (I don't recall the exact number so don't quote me on it)

The subsidies being pulled wouldn't be good for the market but the individual insurers could handle it, they would just raise your rates. They just can't operate in a market where they don't know if they will or won't have those premiums subsidized. Trump is intentionally injecting uncertainty into a market that is all about reducing uncertainty and that is why people are leaving. They aren't leaving because of the ACA right now, they are leaving because Trump is f**king with the market so that he can claim the market is failing. He is making it fail.

Or those insurers will simply pull out of the individual markets like what happened to WA when they stripped their mandate but kept pre-existing.
 

K1052

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Reportedly the Senate GOP will write their "skinny repeal" bill over lunch today. Seriously.
 

fskimospy

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Reportedly the Senate GOP will write their "skinny repeal" bill over lunch today. Seriously.

They are writing legislation governing 1/6th of the US economy in the same way I used to write book reports in middle school.

Forget what your ideological goals are, people this incompetent should not be running our country.
 
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K1052

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They are writing legislation governing 1/6th of the US economy in the same way I used to write book reports in middle school.

Forget what your ideological goals are, people this incompetent should not be running our country.

Pretty well describes this whole process.
 

Sunburn74

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They had 7 years!
7 years!
Even more damning is they had at least 2 months after the election where they knew they would have a GOP president and majority in both the house and the senate to write this thing up. Total complete incompetence.
 

senseamp

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IronWing

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That's not a bill, that's Republican Party's political suicide note.
Commies come and go but the fascists are always with us. Unless the Reps succeed in literally killing off their base, the Reps will be with us a long. time.
 
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