GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[K1052]

One bit I caught watching the floor was near the end a concerned looking Orrin Hatch went over to McCain who was standing alone behind a desk, hands on his hips. They talked for a couple minutes with Hatch looking increasingly agitated then suddenly McCain made a couple hand motions, smiled, patted Hatch's hand a couple times, turned and walked up the aisle. Hatch looked like he could simply not process what had just happened and stood there staring blankly for a minute until slowly wandering away.

 

[Puffnstuff]

They're just as bad, obviously.

NPA = no party affiliation so there is no allegiance to anyone.

 

[ch33zw1z]

NPA = no party affiliation so there is no allegiance to anyone.

I'm a registered independent in MA. In MA you can still vote in primaries....this was a point of ck fusion for many I know, but I went down, they asked for my id and which primary, then handed me a ballot.

 

[Blackjack200]

Skepticism was warranted given how often he ends up towing party line even in disagreement with them. The new conference he had earlier in the day wasn't a big confidence booster either. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong here.

McCain voted for the AUMF. He voted to confirm Jeff Sessions and then voted for the nuclear option and confirmed Neil Gorsuch, enabling Mich McConnell to complete his SCOTUS theft. He is a piece of shit in every way.

But yes, I'm glad he didn't vote to wreck the healthcare industry and strip access to care for millions of people. If that's the bar we're asking people to clear at this point, 48 GOP Senators didn't, and McCain and 2 others did.

 

[Fingolfin269]

This is hilarious. The GOP has no idea who they can trust now. This was killed by 3 votes but folks like Graham holding back their votes until the end and going with YES after it was all decided is brilliant. Now the others have no idea if they truly have 49 votes they can count on or something less than that.

Meanwhile, I fully expect Trump to look into options on how he can fire all of them today. Because I doubt he knows that's not really something he can do yet.

 

[Blackjack200]

I think Brandy Jensen had the best take I've seen so far on Twitter:

Will it be infuriating to watch people praise McCain, who still sucks ass? Yes.
Is it worth it, considering the stakes? Also yes.

 

[fskimospy]

I think Brandy Jensen had the best take I've seen so far on Twitter:

Will it be infuriating to watch people praise McCain, who still sucks ass? Yes.
Is it worth it, considering the stakes? Also yes.

Yes, you can condemn McCain for a lifetime of usually shitty votes and still praise him for sticking to his guns here when it really, really mattered.

I'm incredibly happy to have been wrong about McCain, he just saved health care for millions of people. We don't have to forget his past because of this but regardless he, Murkowski, and Collins did America a huge favor.

Edit: assuming they don't change their minds today or whatever.

 

[Engineer]

Is it time for T-Rump to put out a statement saying that the vote was 49-3, which is really good?

Since he put out a similar statement on one of the previous losses stating that the vote was 48-4 and was really good then, why not now?

 

[Thump553]

This whole "skinny APA" was a total befuddlement to me. The bill preserved all the government funded health insurance but was intentionally designed to destroy the private healthcare market of the ACA (disclaimer-where I buy my coverage). Where is the republican principle behind that? It seems the sole and only purpose of this bill was to give Trump a "win" and to claim the Congressional GOP did something.

Hopefully the whole mess is dead now, but this Frankenstein monster keeps getting revived. So please no Mission Accomplished moments now. In any event they still need to fix the ACA and keep Trump from destroying it by cutting off funding, gutting the agencies in charge, etc.

 

[chitwood]

McConnell blames Dems for healthcare loss

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/28/mcconnell-blames-democrats-healthcare-loss-241067?lo=ap_a1

"I imagine many of our colleagues on the other side are celebrating, probably pretty happy about this," a stunned seeming McConnell said from the Senate floor. "But the American people are hurting and they need relief."

We're hurting? We're hurting. What?
What would we be under this piece of shit healthcare bill YOU'VE come up with? 16 million people with no healthcare.

 

[kage69]

This kinda makes up for all the other stupid shit McCain has done and said. Mercer and the Kochs obviously don't hold him by the scrotum, or at least they don't after his cancer diagnosis.

I love his expressions for the likes of McConnell and Hatch - 'I've got a lethal cancerous growth in my brain, you think I'm scared of you? lol'

McCain and the Ladies of the North just saved a lot of American lives, and the personal finances of even more. I won't be surprised if someone puts up a monument or some kind of statue. Enjoy eating that shit Dumpsters and McConnell, you idiots definitely deserve it.

 

[fskimospy]

This whole "skinny APA" was a total befuddlement to me. The bill preserved all the government funded health insurance but was intentionally designed to destroy the private healthcare market of the ACA (disclaimer-where I buy my coverage). Where is the republican principle behind that? It seems the sole and only purpose of this bill was to give Trump a "win" and to claim the Congressional GOP did something.

Hopefully the whole mess is dead now, but this Frankenstein monster keeps getting revived. So please no Mission Accomplished moments now. In any event they still need to fix the ACA and keep Trump from destroying it by cutting off funding, gutting the agencies in charge, etc.

It seems like the goal was to go to a conference committee and then present wavering senators with a stark choice of the ACA remaining untouched or their bill. The fact that the House could just vote to pass this 'skinny repeal' was just a LITTLE problematic for that plan.

Assuming this really is the end (and McConnell sure sounds like he's done), this is still a really bad event for America even though nothing got passed. McConnell shredded basically every rule in the book about good governance here and I doubt major legislation will ever be the same afterwards. Remember: Republicans didn't even know what they were voting for until right before it came up, all projections showed it would disastrously harm millions of people, it was likely to send the private health insurance market into a death spiral, it was a health care bill opposed by functionally all health care groups, and it was crafted in direct opposition to their declared preferences for governing and they were one vote away from passage anyway.

Think about how scary that is.

 

[kage69]

McConnell blames Dems for healthcare loss

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/28/mcconnell-blames-democrats-healthcare-loss-241067?lo=ap_a1



We're hurting? We're hurting. What?
What would we be under this piece of shit healthcare bill YOU'VE come up with? 16 million people with no healthcare.

Entirely predictable coming from him. This is the scumbag who obstructed President Obama's clear mandate for 8 years, and then accused the Dems of obstruction the second they didn't rubber stamp his agenda once Il Douche was in office.

I think McConnell might have a few tumors of his own, being an avatar for hypocrisy doesn't seem to bother him, he can still say things like what you quoted with zero self-awareness. I've long hoped he gets to follow Dump down the drain, looks like I might get my wish!

 

[fskimospy]

Entirely predictable coming from him. This is the scumbag who obstructed President Obama's clear mandate for 8 years, and then accused the Dems of obstruction the second they didn't rubber stamp his agenda once Il Douche was in office.

I think McConnell might have a few tumors of his own, being an avatar for hypocrisy doesn't seem to bother him, he can still say things like what you quoted with zero self-awareness. I've long hoped he gets to follow Dump down the drain, looks like I might get my wish!

It's also the same guy who said major bills passed by only one party and not subject to regular order were terrible ideas that shouldn't be implemented shortly before trying to pass a major bill with only one party, subject to the most irregular order our country had ever seen. He's a total hypocrite and he doesn't care.

The guy is every bit as big a liar and a scumbag as Trump, he's just better at hiding it.

 

[IronWing]

McConnell lives inside the Senate bubble. I don't think his vision extends beyond the machinations of Senate politics and his circle of donors. Even the dynamics of the House are a far off, dim vision. The idea that his words and actions have any consequence outside of the Senate chamber is totally lost on him.

 

[Younigue]

Yesterday I was thinking Dag Nabbit that McCain takes me on a rollercoaster ride! Sometimes I have liked him, other times I couldn't stand him (his votes). The ride continued last night. He made the right choice!

@Engineer Trump won't issue that statement, he'll blame the Democrats as he has done throughout for killing the bill. He seems unaware that Repubs are the ones killing the things he says he wants.

I don't have a Twitter account, has the buffoon gone on a tear today?

 

[Engineer]

T-Rump pushing for 51 vote rule in Senate for all items (on his Twitter).

 

[K1052]

Tump talking to the chair of the House freedom caucus about pushing a bill through:

Totally delusional. In almost 8 years the GOP hasn't been able to manufacture "the perfect bill" and this latest escapade should indicate that it's probably not possible. Also he's talking to the wrong damned house of congress. The Senate appetite for going again is't looking too robust. McConnell literally said last night that they are moving on.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Tump talking to the chair of the House freedom caucus about pushing a bill through:

Totally delusional. In almost 8 years the GOP hasn't been able to manufacture "the perfect bill" and this latest escapade should indicate that it's probably not possible. Also he's talking to the wrong damned house of congress. The Senate appetite for going again is't looking too robust. McConnell literally said last night that they are moving on.

Yeah the freedom caucus is the last group that could come up with something with any chance of passing. Great strategy.

 

[Blackjack200]

Assuming this really is the end (and McConnell sure sounds like he's done), this is still a really bad event for America even though nothing got passed. McConnell shredded basically every rule in the book about good governance here and I doubt major legislation will ever be the same afterwards. Remember: Republicans didn't even know what they were voting for until right before it came up, all projections showed it would disastrously harm millions of people, it was likely to send the private health insurance market into a death spiral, it was a health care bill opposed by functionally all health care groups, and it was crafted in direct opposition to their declared preferences for governing and they were one vote away from passage anyway.

Think about how scary that is.

Yeah, this can't be emphasized enough. What happed here was horrifying, and it seems clear that the Senators were divided between serving their voters and serving special interests. Lots of the 'yea' votes were cast because Senators were afraid of being attacked by the party and primaried, so the special interests have such a stranglehold on the GOP that Senators will vote for comically evil bills that have virtually no popular support, that they haven't even read, and that voters are overloading their switchboards to demand that they vote against.

And the GOP is working hard to make sure they gerrymander and suppress voters enough to remain in power as their minority support dwindles. Think about that.

It's also the same guy who said major bills passed by only one party and not subject to regular order were terrible ideas that shouldn't be implemented shortly before trying to pass a major bill with only one party, subject to the most irregular order our country had ever seen. He's a total hypocrite and he doesn't care.

The guy is every bit as big a liar and a scumbag as Trump, he's just better at hiding it.

If the country survives this, I think McConnell and Ryan will go down as two of the most evil men to ever hold power in Washington.

T-Rump pushing for 51 vote rule in Senate for all items (on his Twitter).

Which is hilarious considering they couldn't get 51 votes for any of their health care bills.

 

[K1052]

Ryan is intent on moving to tax reform. Another repeal/replace attempt seems incredibly unlikely this year and impossible next year.

 

[Blackjack200]

Ryan is intent on moving to tax reform. Another repeal/replace attempt seems incredibly unlikely this year and impossible next year.

They can't do taxes with reconciliation, can they? Or are you say that's why it seems incredibly unlikely, because they'd need to agree on what parts of the budget to cut?

 

[HomerJS]

GOP tactic when they fuck up say everyone is too blame. Republican congressman this morning said the media is at fault for discussing Trump's tweets. HAHAHAHA!

Hey dumb ass Presidential tweets are policy. So he'd rather blame the messenger then President Big Mouth

 

[K1052]

They can't do taxes with reconciliation, can they? Or are you say that's why it seems incredibly unlikely, because they'd need to agree on what parts of the budget to cut?

You can't use reconciliation on anything that adds to the deficit after 10 years. They originally wanted to use some of the money saved by the drastic healthcare cuts to pay for the plan but that's out the window now. Ryan's given up his Border Adjustment Tax so I'm not sure exactly what, if anything, is really the plan now. Maybe just short term tax cuts that blow up the deficit under the window then snap back in?

Also, depending who you talk to, tax reform is often considered on par in legislative difficulty with healthcare. Indications of policy warfare between the administration/house leadership/conservatives have already begun.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ryan is intent on moving to tax reform. Another repeal/replace attempt seems incredibly unlikely this year and impossible next year.

"Tax reform" is Republicanese for cutting taxes on the wealthy. Cuz they're the ones who are really hurting. It would be immoral not to heed their piteous cries.