GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[zinfamous]

Pence just arrived for the skinny repeal vote with protesters chanting shame in the background.

when does zombie Mountain show up?

Oh man, the image of naked Pence marching into the capital building with crowds yelling shame....I wish it happened that way.

 

[FIVR]

I for one am happy that millions of people won't be losing insurance and premiums won't go up 20% extra on other individuals. These are real people's lives we are talking about.

Would you still be happy if Trump gets san francisco nuked two years from now because he tweets some bs about invading, knowing that perhaps he wouldn't be in office if a few thousand people had already died from their own idiotic decisions to support Trump and the AHCA? Imagine all the terrible things that Trump can do to the country in 3.5 years. Now imagine it didn't have to be that way, because we could've let the Trump supporters pay for their own mistakes and die by the thousands form lack of healthcare, while liberals in CA and NY were safe from state healthcare programs?


This is a war. A culture war. If you want to fight it like a paintball game, you will lose to the people who actually bring guns (conservatives).

 

[zinfamous]

Dump will never admit. Bad idea being an ass to McCain, criticizing him being captured in Vietnam.

GOP should be happy. We're not talking about Russia

I was thinking this as well. cranky old coot realizes he has less than a year to live, and just decided to fuck that bloated toad with his thumb.

 

[Jhhnn]

Current mood in the House:



http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/28/obamacare-repeal-failure-house-republicans-react-241086

The insincerity & mock piety are pretty astounding. I'm hoping this episode breaks the illusions of Repub voters.

 

[Chromagnus]

Would you still be happy if Trump gets san francisco nuked two years from now because he tweets some bs about invading, knowing that perhaps he wouldn't be in office if a few thousand people had already died from their own idiotic decisions to support Trump and the AHCA? Imagine all the terrible things that Trump can do to the country in 3.5 years. Now imagine it didn't have to be that way, because we could've let the Trump supporters pay for their own mistakes and die by the thousands form lack of healthcare, while liberals in CA and NY were safe from state healthcare programs?


This is a war. A culture war. If you want to fight it like a paintball game, you will lose to the people who actually bring guns (conservatives).

That's quite the butterfly effect picture you are painting there. I don't think letting the Rs win on repealing the ACA is a strategic with for the Ds. I prefer the scenario where Trump loses and the Rs look like pathetic politicians who have no business governing all while allowing millions of people to keep health insurance. This is clearly a huge loss for for the Republicans and a big win for the American people.

 

[Zorba]

The reason "conservatives" continually kick our asses in almost every different type of election in the US despite lower popular representation and less education is because we continually bend over to save "conservatives" from their own idiotic decisions. As I said before: People who don't pay for their bad decisions do not learn. If you want to actually win and do something good for the country you will have to sometimes allow unsavory things to happen to unsavory people.

Yeah, people really learned from the great recession. Most people that vote for republicans are too dumb or willfully ignorant to learn from things blowing up in their face.

 

[Jhhnn]

Would you still be happy if Trump gets san francisco nuked two years from now because he tweets some bs about invading, knowing that perhaps he wouldn't be in office if a few thousand people had already died from their own idiotic decisions to support Trump and the AHCA? Imagine all the terrible things that Trump can do to the country in 3.5 years. Now imagine it didn't have to be that way, because we could've let the Trump supporters pay for their own mistakes and die by the thousands form lack of healthcare, while liberals in CA and NY were safe from state healthcare programs?


This is a war. A culture war. If you want to fight it like a paintball game, you will lose to the people who actually bring guns (conservatives).

This is, of course, what far right mouthpieces, Alt-right trolls & Russian propaganda have encouraged us to do for years- otherize our fellow Americans & set us against each other.

It's easier when dealing with insular, isolated & poorly educated people than with America in general, however.

 

[fskimospy]

The reason "conservatives" continually kick our asses in almost every different type of election in the US despite lower popular representation and less education is because we continually bend over to save "conservatives" from their own idiotic decisions. As I said before: People who don't pay for their bad decisions do not learn. If you want to actually win and do something good for the country you will have to sometimes allow unsavory things to happen to unsavory people.

The ACA IS something good for the country. What you're basically saying is that if we want to 'win' we need to undo good things for the country so we can redo good things for the country at some nebulous point in the future when we win full control of government again.

This is dumb.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, people really learned from the great recession. Most people that vote for republicans are too dumb or willfully ignorant to learn from things blowing up in their face.

Yeah, 8 years of GWB failing taught people such a sharp lesson that in 2010 they voted hugely for Republicans. I bet if we do this plan again it will totally work though.

 

[thilanliyan]

This just means Trump for sure has 3.5 years minimum left to F this country up. If people don't pay for their bad decisions, they don't learn. This bill would've hurt Trump states far far worse than liberal coastal elite states. Yet, we are cheering that it failed.... why? This bill was the key to taking the senate in 2018 and because it failed, there will be nothing concrete (i.e. no dead bodies) to point to and no big losses from conservatives will be sustained in midterms.

I am very disappointed that this failed. This is a big blow to the left, and a huge win for Trump.

I was thinking along the same lines, but keep in mind that it would have affected lots of people that actually need the ACA right now.

 

[Xellos2099]

Well, no one is willing to address the main issue, the stupidly high drug prices.

 

[agent00f]

I'm hoping this episode breaks the illusions of Repub voters.

Slow learner standup.

The ACA IS something good for the country. What you're basically saying is that if we want to 'win' we need to undo good things for the country so we can redo good things for the country at some nebulous point in the future when we win full control of government again.

This is dumb.

Conservatives are smart enough to act in their self-interest, liberals often aren't.

 

[Jhhnn]

Slow learner standup.



Conservatives are smart enough to act in their self-interest, liberals often aren't.

Yeh, that explains why 9 out of 10 of the poorest states are conservative, right?

 

[Thump553]

Praising McCain for his no vote last night is the same as praising a firefighter putting out the fire he started. McCain's YES on the MTP was the legislative equivalent of arson. Fuck him. Still.

I initially thought the same thing, but since then I've been thinking maybe McCain honestly thought starting this off this week would push McConnell into opening up the process to get Democratic Party involvement in order to pass a bill. Well that obviously didn't happen but McCain still did the country a big favor by showing how screwed up the GOP controlled Senate is. I mean voting on bills not even written yet and certainly not read by either the Senators or any of their staffers? No public hearings ever, no input from insurers or medical providers (worse, totally ignoring what they did say). Voting "Yes" on a bill you know is wrong and fatally flawed if you can get a binding agreement from the House not to accept it? You can't make up such nonsense.

My town government (and I daresay yours as well) is light years better run-by unpaid citizens serving part time in the evenings.

 

[agent00f]

Yeh, that explains why 9 out of 10 of the poorest states are conservative, right?

They get the blue money, bite the blue hand however hard they prefer, yet never risk any consequences. Seems the gold diggers got it made.

 

[K1052]

Trump telling a bunch of cops in NY that he'll "let Obamacare implode". I'm not sure congress is on the same page. If he threatens to destabilize the markets they'll act to save themselves.

Also he told the cops it ok to rough up people they arrest.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think he only said to not "gently guide their heads into the car" in a joking manner.

 

[K1052]

I think he only said to not "gently guide their heads into the car" in a joking manner.

Because police brutality is of course hilarious.

 

[zinfamous]

I think he only said to not "gently guide their heads into the car" in a joking manner.

cool. that's the kind of thing that presidents need to joke about in front of our light military ...er police force.

 

[pcgeek11]

Because police brutality is of course hilarious.

I don't think that is police brutality.

 

[K1052]

I don't think that is police brutality.

Everything I'm reading from reporters there has the opposite impression of his intent. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump telling a bunch of cops in NY that he'll "let Obamacare implode". I'm not sure congress is on the same page. If he threatens to destabilize the markets they'll act to save themselves.

Also he told the cops it ok to rough up people they arrest.

Yeah...He's in the middle of another epic rambling word-salad speech right now, ostensibly talking about gang violence, except for brief periods of respite when he actually looks at a teleprompter and reads real, intelligent words. Mostly, his gaze drifts away and he starts going off some wild tangent, mumbling, stumbling, bragging, jumping from one topic to another - there's got to be a jumble of staffers just off stage with all of their sphincter's knotting up on them every time they see his eyes lose focus.

 

[pcgeek11]

Everything I'm reading from reporters there has the opposite impression of his intent. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Reporters .... say no more.

 

[K1052]

Reporters .... say no more.

I just watched it. I'm comfortable in my assessment.

 

[pcgeek11]

I just watched it. I'm comfortable in my assessment.

Just to be specific:
When discussing arresting MS13 Members he stated to just throw them in the car, don't worry about putting your hand on their head.