GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[Fanatical Meat]

Jason Chaffetz seriously suggested that people would have to choose between a new iPhone and health care.

That's this administration's equivalent to Romney's "47%" remark. This is how the Republicans lose 2018, 2020 and possibly beyond. It reflects the sheer contempt for lower-income families, for ethics, for the basic realities of how health care works in the US. Hint: many people spend more than the cost of an iPhone per month on their health care.

If Chaffetz was crying at his treatment in his last town hall... well, he'd better just hide in his office for the next two-plus years, because everyone will want his hide from now on.

You missed an important point too. The pivot from insurance for everyone to insurance available to everyone

 

[Commodus]

You missed an important point too. The pivot from insurance for everyone to insurance available to everyone

Oh, I know that's the underlying problem here... it's just that Chaffetz provided the nugget, the epigrammatic statement that shows just how reprehensible AHCA is. It's "screw you, poor people, we hope you die" barely hidden in a euphemism.

 

[fskimospy]

You missed an important point too. The pivot from insurance for everyone to insurance available to everyone

With of course the important caveat that insurance will be 'available to everyone' in the same way that a Manhattan condo is 'available to everyone'. Anyone can buy it if they can afford it, it's just that lots of people can't afford it.

My guess is that when the CBO scores this they will come up with an answer of this bill taking away health insurance for somewhere between 10 and 20 million people.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

My my, republicans making insurance companies richer by screwing over poor people, who would've guessed?

 

[Homerboy]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ccupied_with_lottery_winners_on_medicaid.html



6 of the 60 pages of the new bill deal with how states handle health care for lottery winners.

This fucking can't be true.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oh, I know that's the underlying problem here... it's just that Chaffetz provided the nugget, the epigrammatic statement that shows just how reprehensible AHCA is. It's "screw you, poor people, we hope you die" barely hidden in a euphemism.

Honestly I would be very satisfied if healthcare was $200 down and $40-$65 per month for two years

 

[Homerboy]

Regardless of what ends up in place, I will bet the farm that for 2018 my rates still go up, my coverage goes down while the insurance company's stock price continues to go up.

 

[soundforbjt]

This fucking can't be true.

Can't have a couple of people gaming the system, you realize how easy it is to win the lottery? They even say it in the commercials "anyone can win".

 

[Chromagnus]

This proposal is so bad that it almost makes me wonder if it was intentionally so. That way the next iteration which is slightly less bad will look better in comparison.

 

[JockoJohnson]

So 6+ years of repeals for the ACA and this is the shit they peddle as the alternative. Besides all of the other bullshit in the plan discussed here, they didn't remove the restriction of insurance being sold across state lines. Have to make sure the insurance companies get to keep f'n people over on higher costs due to low competition.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This proposal is so bad that it almost makes me wonder if it was intentionally so. That way the next iteration which is slightly less bad will look better in comparison.

Very possible. Either way, Trump's promise just fell to the wayside.

 

[Jhhnn]

It used to be that Medicaid eligibility was means tested, meaning that not only were certain groups de facto excluded (childless males,etc.) but you also could not have assets above a certain threshold. Not only did the ACA expand the eligibility of certain groups it changed eligibility to be based solely on income.

Yes, that meant that someone who won the lottery and then lived off of the winnings would fall below the eligibility threshold and become eligible for Medicaid. Looks like this new proposal reinstates some form of means testing.

That's such a small % of the population as to be not worthy of mention.

 

[Phokus]

The Democrats aren't going to vote for this bill because it's a flaming piece of hot garbage. The Tea Party republicans won't vote for this bill because it's just a watered down version of the ACA. I think even some GOP senators from purple states won't like this bill because some of the GOP governors in their states gladly accepted the medicare subsidies.

 

[Chromagnus]

Very possible. Either way, Trump's promise just fell to the wayside.

That was always going to happen though. Trumps promises on health care have literally been impossible. He promised that congress would/could do what was impossible and now that they have proven that they can't it'll be interesting to see how he handles it. He can either turn on congress and blame them for putting out a shitty plan or he can tow the Republican line and say that the plan is better than it actually is.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Alt-Fact generator says: "This plan is what American's want, it's yugely, tremendously, successful"

 

[Blackjack200]

Jason Chaffetz seriously suggested that people would have to choose between a new iPhone and health care.

That's this administration's equivalent to Romney's "47%" remark. This is how the Republicans lose 2018, 2020 and possibly beyond. It reflects the sheer contempt for lower-income families, for ethics, for the basic realities of how health care works in the US. Hint: many people spend more than the cost of an iPhone per month on their health care.

If Chaffetz was crying at his treatment in his last town hall... well, he'd better just hide in his office for the next two-plus years, because everyone will want his hide from now on.

Twitter is blowing up at the remark, and rightly so, it's absolutely vile. Shows complete contempt for people that are anxious about what's going to happen to their health care. He is a real piece of shit.

I don't share your hope that this will cost Republicans 2018 or 2020. I think a frightening portion of the country sees taking health care away from people as a feature, not a bug.

 

[Homerboy]

So 6+ years of repeals for the ACA and this is the shit they peddle as the alternative. Besides all of the other bullshit in the plan discussed here, they didn't remove the restriction of insurance being sold across state lines. Have to make sure the insurance companies get to keep f'n people over on higher costs due to low competition.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Don't worry, getting rid of state lines, which will promote competition, will be in phase 2 & 3 of healthcare rollout. @foxandfriends

 

[Chromagnus]

Twitter is blowing up at the remark, and rightly so, it's absolutely vile. Shows complete contempt for people that are anxious about what's going to happen to their health care. He is a real piece of shit.

I don't share your hope that this will cost Republicans 2018 or 2020. I think a frightening portion of the country sees taking health care away from people as a feature, not a bug.

It will also lead to people's rates going up though too and that is something people care a lot about.

 

[Bitek]

So what are the Rs trying to accomplish with this bill?

Nothing to address HC cost drivers, nothing to expand coverage and access, will drive up costs for the sick and elderly and poses a real solvency risk to the ins market.

They got rid of the mandate, but put in a poor replacement mechanism which will be less effective on more punitive.

They cut a number of taxes, but first pass look and the only way to not destroy the deficit for this is by killing of Medicaid, which looks highly questionable the way it's rolled out.

Overall it seems like a cobbling together of attacks on grievances with no thought to is potential impact/fallout.

 

[Chromagnus]

One thing I actually find interesting politically is that they are changing the 3:1 rule to 5:1. This change alone is going to raise rates substantially on older people who are their prime voting base. The 3:1 rule was too extreme in my opinion but I'm still surprised that they'd make such a big change to hurt their base.

 

[jmagg]

My rates went up and my deductible nearly tripled under ACA. This is not conducive to prevention. The good end was pre existing conditions clause, which would save many from losing everything they've worked for their entire lives.

 

[Blackjack200]

It will also lead to people's rates going up though too and that is something people care a lot about.

Will they? I guess we'll see. A good portion of the country will be pissed as hell, but remember that Washington represents an ever-shrinking minority of voters.

 

[Blackjack200]

My rates went up and my deductible nearly tripled under ACA. This is not conducive to prevention. The good end was pre existing conditions clause, which would save many from losing everything they've worked for their entire lives.

The ACA did not do enough to address rising costs. Simple common-sense measures like forcing health care providers to publish prices are impossible in the current political environment.

But as far as I can see, the ACHA does even less than the ACA did.

 

[Jaskalas]

I seriously thought that would be the case for 2016. Yet here we are. A GOP dominated government. Large and small.

Where was the push for single payer in 2016? Where?!
You expect results, but the candidate / party did not even try to inspire voters with any solutions.
The plan to help the American people needs to be laid out, and boldly delivered in both speech and law.

The American people want help, the problem is they only saw one person promising it.

 

[Chromagnus]

Where was the push for single payer in 2016? WHERE?!
You expect results, but the candidate / party did not even try to inspire voters with any solutions.
The plan to help the American people needs to be laid out, and boldly delivered in both speech and law.

I think both sides needed to try and fail at fixing health care before we were going to be at the point where people would accept completely blowing up the system with single payer. Both sides have incorrectly thought that they could fix it and now we are seeing that they can't. Hopefully some actual good change will ultimately come out of this but it may not be until 2020.