GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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shortylickens

No Lifer
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Yeah, like him spouting off multiple times about 21 year old people starting out after school with $12 per year insurance.

Oh god that was infuriating. The problem with growing up rich is you really have no clue what anything costs.
Paris Hilton is even dumber, but she never ran for office so its hard to hate the woman.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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Insurance: Yes.
But insurance is not actual healthcare. We have a much larger problem with health services as a whole which cannot be solved with the Democrats or Republicans plans and certainly not Trumps rounding errors. He has no concept of the issues at hand because he is so ridiculously rich he just cant grasp it.

Solved? Maybe not, but the ACA obviously alleviated the situation for at least 20M Americans. No Repub "plan" will ever improve upon that because even greater redistribution of income would be required to achieve it. Can't have that.
 

Engineer

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Lawsuits would obviously ensue perhaps with injunctive relief via the federal courts.

I didn't realize that they had already started and that's for previous money, not money that T-Rump is threatening to withhold.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/30/lawsuits-obamacare-insurers-241112

If the insurance companies were to win, I would think this would kill the possibility of T-Rump pulling more money from them as well as getting them paid for the money that they are owed by law. Not sure if it would stabilize anything or keep insurers from pulling out of the exchanges though. Not enough stability, by design.
 

Sunburn74

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Repubs just have to quit destabilizing it.
This.
"Obamacare is collapsing" they claim "As we kick it, trip it when it's walking, pull the chair out from under it when it's trying to sit down".
It's been nothing but sabotage.
 

SMOGZINN

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Jun 17, 2005
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Yes, we are a nation of laws. I just have No Sympathy for MS13. Do you?
Maybe we just don't understand them...

Either we are a nation of laws and those laws protect the MS13 as well as they do any one else in our society, or we are not and we are all subject to being the ones that some arbitrary person does not have sympathy for at this moment. Then the 'law' becomes what is politically expedient at the moment, or what is emotionally satisfying to the most people. We are already dangerously close to this. We don't need the President encouraging it.

Repubs just have to quit destabilizing it.

In hindsight it is too unstable, but that is because the wording of it relied on the government being dependable. I don't think anyone could have foreseen just how unstable our entire government has become.
 

fskimospy

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Either we are a nation of laws and those laws protect the MS13 as well as they do any one else in our society, or we are not and we are all subject to being the ones that some arbitrary person does not have sympathy for at this moment. Then the 'law' becomes what is politically expedient at the moment, or what is emotionally satisfying to the most people. We are already dangerously close to this. We don't need the President encouraging it.

Exactly, the rule of law only means something if it protects unpopular people/speech/whatever. I don't know anything about MS13 but even if they are the worst people ever it doesn't change the fact that the police are prevented from inflicting unnecessary violence on them the same as anyone else.

We even put a whole amendment into our Constitution about how the law had to treat everyone equally.
 
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K1052

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The end is nigh: Hatch/Ryan/McConnell putting the nails in the coffin of the current healthcare effort. Congress planning to appropriate for/mandate payment of CSR subsidies.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch said on Monday that senators for now are too divided to keep working on healthcare overhaul legislation and that he and other senior Republicans will take that message to the White House.

President Donald Trump has been urging lawmakers not to drop the matter, despite a series of failed votes last week. "There's just too much animosity and we're too divided on healthcare," Hatch said in an interview with Reuters.

He said he would prefer Congress not appropriate cost-sharing subsidies that help make Obamacare plans affordable but added, "I think we’re going to have to do that."

Hatch said although he understood Mulvaney's position, he did not think he was right. The senator said he saw no real desire on the part of Democrats to work together on the healthcare issue "and I have to say some Republicans are at fault there, too."

Hatch said he had not given up on healthcare. "I think we ought to acknowledge that we can come back to healthcare afterwards but we need to move ahead on tax reform," Hatch said.

Asked who would relay the message to the Trump administration, Hatch laughed and said, "I'm going to be one who does that," adding that he expected Republican leaders of the House and Senate, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, would do so, too.

Hatch said lawmakers would need to appropriate the cost-sharing subsidy payments that the administration has been making. Trump has threatened to cut off these subsidies, which help insurers keep deductibles down for low-income people who get health insurance through the Obamacare exchanges.

"I'm for helping the poor, always have been. And I don't think they should be bereft of healthcare," Hatch said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-hatch-idUSKBN1AG29J
 
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Engineer

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Jhhnn

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In hindsight it is too unstable, but that is because the wording of it relied on the government being dependable. I don't think anyone could have foreseen just how unstable our entire government has become.

Thanks to Trump & the Repubs.
 

pcgeek11

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Either we are a nation of laws and those laws protect the MS13 as well as they do any one else in our society, or we are not and we are all subject to being the ones that some arbitrary person does not have sympathy for at this moment. Then the 'law' becomes what is politically expedient at the moment, or what is emotionally satisfying to the most people. We are already dangerously close to this. We don't need the President encouraging it.



In hindsight it is too unstable, but that is because the wording of it relied on the government being dependable. I don't think anyone could have foreseen just how unstable our entire government has become.

The law doesn't say you have to hold their head while putting them in the car. I'm not advocating beating on them while they are hand cuffed. Just toss them into the car. And no I don't have a lot of sympathy for MS13, they are comparable to ISIS in their brutality.
 

DisarmedDespot

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The law doesn't say you have to hold their head while putting them in the car. I'm not advocating beating on them while they are hand cuffed. Just toss them into the car. And no I don't have a lot of sympathy for MS13, they are comparable to ISIS in their brutality.
And then an officer grabs the wrong guy and ends up breaking his neck. Great. Totally worth exposing police departments to major lawsuits. But no worries, it makes pcgeek feel a little better knowing his big tough president is watching out for him, so it's ok.
 

pcgeek11

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And then an officer grabs the wrong guy and ends up breaking his neck. Great. Totally worth exposing police departments to major lawsuits. But no worries, it makes pcgeek feel a little better knowing his big tough president is watching out for him, so it's ok.

There is a huge difference between gently guiding their head into the car and breaking his neck. Don't be obtuse.
 

ivwshane

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There is a huge difference between gently guiding their head into the car and breaking his neck. Don't be obtuse.

Yes and trump specifically said not to go easy on them. I'm not sure if, at this point, you are just trying to be an idiot asshole or if your world is so inverted that you don't understand what trump was saying despite actual police officers coming out and condemning his speech.
 

Muse

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Was talking to a lawyer friend the other day. She maintains that the GOP have and have had no intention of replacing the ACA, that it's all a sham. The insurance companies are making a killing right now. They can opt out of offering plans if they want to. She says they made sure there were 3 no votes and if one of those hadn't worked out they would have worked out another. All the yes votes were by Senators who didn't want to alienate their base.

She predicts that after the midterms the GOP will force Trump to resign by threatening to release ever more damaging revelations and that Pence will take over the White House.
 

JEDI

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Was talking to a lawyer friend the other day. She maintains that the GOP have and have had no intention of replacing the ACA, that it's all a sham. The insurance companies are making a killing right now. They can opt out of offering plans if they want to. She says they made sure there were 3 no votes and if one of those hadn't worked out they would have worked out another. All the yes votes were by Senators who didn't want to alienate their base.

She predicts that after the midterms the GOP will force Trump to resign by threatening to release ever more damaging revelations and that Pence will take over the White House.
/tin foil hat
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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It will be an incredible irony if the GOP has to pass legislation propping up parts of the ACA that Trump tires to dismantle through executive action.
 

Chromagnus

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Was talking to a lawyer friend the other day. She maintains that the GOP have and have had no intention of replacing the ACA, that it's all a sham. The insurance companies are making a killing right now. They can opt out of offering plans if they want to. She says they made sure there were 3 no votes and if one of those hadn't worked out they would have worked out another. All the yes votes were by Senators who didn't want to alienate their base.

She predicts that after the midterms the GOP will force Trump to resign by threatening to release ever more damaging revelations and that Pence will take over the White House.

Your lawyer friend doesn't seem to know a lot about the health insurance industry or about what's going on right now. This logic makes no sense because all this process has done is make the GOP look completely incompetent and has pissed off their base. If they had no intention of replacing it this would have gone away a long time ago. Their biggest donors (which aren't the insurers) want the ACA to go away and also they can't get through their big tax plan through without getting rid of the ACA.
 

Paratus

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There is a huge difference between gently guiding their head into the car and breaking his neck. Don't be obtuse.


I get you want the police to be able hurt MS13 members when they catch them but don't want the police to accidentally kill the wrong guy.

So I'm curious. How much police brutality is ok? Is it ok to cause:

Bruises?
Stitches?
Concussions?
Broken Bones?
Internal bleeding?

Also what's your feeling on the ratio of bad guys to innocents brutalized by the police.

Like are you ok with 1 innocent guy being concussed for every 10 bad guys or 10 innocent guys per bad guy as long as the bad guy gets beaten by the police.

I have trouble thinking this way and hope you can help me out by articulating where the line is. I mean I'd draw the line at the police treating all suspects as innocent and not brutalizing anyone but then again I'm a flaming liberal.
 
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K1052

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Healthcare not on the August agenda according to McConnell.

Trump's move now I guess.
 
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