GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[senseamp]

https://www.axios.com/map-who-loses-if-trump-cuts-off-health-insurer-payments-2467879422.html

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[Muse]

I get you want the police to be able hurt MS13 members when they catch them but don't want the police to accidentally kill the wrong guy.

So I'm curious. How much police brutality is ok? Is it ok to cause:

Bruises?
Stitches?
Concussions?
Broken Bones?
Internal bleeding?

Also what's your feeling on the ratio of bad guys to innocents brutalized by the police.

Like are you ok with 1 innocent guy being concussed for every 10 bad guys or 10 innocent guys per bad guy as long as the bad guy gets beaten by the police.

I have trouble thinking this way and hope you can help me out by articulating where the line is. I mean I'd draw the line at the police treating all suspects as innocent and not brutalizing anyone but then again I'm a flaming liberal.

Of course, that's the only stance supportable by law or conscience. Well said.

 

[Meghan54]

Here's a better pic of the map, with legend.......

 

[K1052]

Sen. Thune said Trump should continue CSR payments.

Means: "Don't do something boneheaded that we'll have to reverse on you"

 

[thilanliyan]

Their biggest donors (which aren't the insurers) want the ACA to go away and also they can't get through their big tax plan through without getting rid of the ACA.

Isn't that what "tax reform" is for?

 

[IronWing]

Isn't that what "tax reform" is for?

ACA repeal provided cover for restoring a tax shelter for the uber rich. As long as the ACA portion grabbed the headlines, no one was discussing making the deficit even bigger. Plain old tax cuts stand naked in that respect.

 

[thilanliyan]

I think we've all seen that they don't give a damn if they are getting negative feedback from the liberal fake news...so I don't think they'll be trying to hide anything with "tax reform" either.

 

[Engineer]

Senate announces bipartisan hearings on strengthening ACA.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/344811-senate-panel-to-hold-bipartisan-hearings-on-healthcare

Don't think T-Rump would sign anything so it would have to be veto-proof, IMO.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Don't think T-Rump would sign anything so it would have to be veto-proof, IMO.

I can't imagine that enough Republicans and Democrats can agree on anything to make something veto proof. Too many on both sides are too set on the idea of opposition to do that. They will oppose each other out of habit.

 

[sactoking]

This may be driven in part by the fact that the DC Court of Appeals just permitted 17 states to intervene in the House v Price lawsuit. This will make unilaterally cutting the CSR payments much more difficult so the options for White House and Congress are evaporating.

 

[Thump553]

According to news reports I heard this morning on the way in, they are talking about locking in the ACA subsidy for one year. Not an earth-shattering move, but something I would applaud as a rational real world decision by moderates of both parties. Trump has the power to veto it but he would be throwing away his political capital, which is draining at an alarming rate already.

 

[K1052]

According to news reports I heard this morning on the way in, they are talking about locking in the ACA subsidy for one year. Not an earth-shattering move, but something I would applaud as a rational real world decision by moderates of both parties. Trump has the power to veto it but he would be throwing away his political capital, which is draining at an alarming rate already.

Given the alternatives a short term bill for CSR payments would probably pass Congress with a veto proof majority.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Trump has the power to veto it but he would be throwing away his political capital, which is draining at an alarming rate already.

I doubt Trump understands the concept of political capital. He sure has not shown any regard to using it so far.

 

[JSt0rm]

I don't think trump cares what's in the bill. So long as it's a trumpcare and he fixed everything.

 

[hal2kilo]

I don't think trump cares what's in the bill. So long as it's a trumpcare and he thinks he fixed everything.

 

[Engineer]

With the ACA seemingly more popular than not (via polls), I had wondered if any of the current GOP that voted to repeal and/or replace the ACA with the crappy bill would be helped or hurt at the polls. They seem to have a group who is pissed off that they didn't follow through but now, polling suggests that going against the people (who want the ACA kept or fixed) might not have been the best choice (at least for one senator.....).

http://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-flake-approval-rating-senate-health-care-bill-vote-2017-8

 

[K1052]

With the ACA seemingly more popular than not (via polls), I had wondered if any of the current GOP that voted to repeal and/or replace the ACA with the crappy bill would be helped or hurt at the polls. They seem to have a group who is pissed off that they didn't follow through but now, polling suggests that going against the people (who want the ACA kept or fixed) might not have been the best choice (at least for one senator.....).

http://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-flake-approval-rating-senate-health-care-bill-vote-2017-8

The polling so far out of Nevada also shows that Heller is probably screwed also, approval has fallen into the 20s.

 

[ch33zw1z]

anyone spotted Sea Bray lately?

 

[obidamnkenobi]

I can't imagine that enough Republicans and Democrats can agree on anything to make something veto proof. Too many on both sides are too set on the idea of opposition to do that. They will oppose each other out of habit.

Maybe? They got 57 votes against the repeal&replace bill; 9 R and the 48 dems. If they could get 3 more republicans on board with an ACA fix then it could pass with 60.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/politics/senate-votes-repeal-obamacare.html

I guess question would be how independent are the senators. After McConnell loosing face with this blunder I imagine he'd give hell to any republican senators who dare work with dems. But what if dems pick up 3 seats next year? Could 9 Rs be convinced to cooperate then? Perhaps I'm too optimistic, but wouldn't it be good for them to go back and tell votes "obamacare was terrible, but I helped fix it"...? It's not like most obamacare haters actually know what's in the bill anyway..

 

[SMOGZINN]

Perhaps I'm too optimistic, but wouldn't it be good for them to go back and tell votes "obamacare was terrible, but I helped fix it"...? It's not like most obamacare haters actually know what's in the bill anyway..

I'm expecting that early next year we will get a pivot and we will start to hear that due to those dirty Dems and RINOs we can't kill 'Obamacare' but we can make things better by fixing the American Care Act.

 

[Engineer]

Maybe? They got 57 votes against the repeal&replace bill; 9 R and the 48 dems. If they could get 3 more republicans on board with an ACA fix then it could pass with 60.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/politics/senate-votes-repeal-obamacare.html

I guess question would be how independent are the senators. After McConnell loosing face with this blunder I imagine he'd give hell to any republican senators who dare work with dems. But what if dems pick up 3 seats next year? Could 9 Rs be convinced to cooperate then? Perhaps I'm too optimistic, but wouldn't it be good for them to go back and tell votes "obamacare was terrible, but I helped fix it"...? It's not like most obamacare haters actually know what's in the bill anyway..

VETO proof requires 2/3 passage. Would need 67 in Senate and 290 in the House (assuming I did the math right, lol).

 

[hal2kilo]

I doubt Trump understands the concept of political capital. He sure has not shown any regard to using it so far.

He thinks his rallies builds political capitol. Except that's the only place he can spend it.

 

[Dulanic]

With the ACA seemingly more popular than not (via polls), I had wondered if any of the current GOP that voted to repeal and/or replace the ACA with the crappy bill would be helped or hurt at the polls. They seem to have a group who is pissed off that they didn't follow through but now, polling suggests that going against the people (who want the ACA kept or fixed) might not have been the best choice (at least for one senator.....).

http://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-flake-approval-rating-senate-health-care-bill-vote-2017-8

Remember, popularity has a negligible impact on whether a bill passes or not. It's purely about the $ now.

 

[Jhhnn]

Remember, popularity has a negligible impact on whether a bill passes or not. It's purely about the $ now.

If it were strictly about the money our Repub Congress would have passed their so called "healthcare reform", screwed 20M Americans & cut taxes for their ultra wealthy donors.

They still need voters even if they wish they didn't. No protesters in Riyadh, right?

 

[esquared]

In a blow to the GOP, a federal judge orders the government to pay Molina Health $52 million in Obamacare funds.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-molina-52-million-20170807-story.html

This is due to the rider that the repubs put in 2014:
"Then Congressional Republicans threw a wrench into the system. In 2014, the GOP decided to attack the risk corridor program as a “bailout” of insurers, even though the exact same provision was part of the GOP’s 2003 Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit (and still is). The Republicans slipped a rider into the 2014 spending bill decreeing that risk corridor payments could be made only from risk-corridor collections, not the general treasury."

"The consequences of the GOP rider were dire. With payouts limited to collections, HHS was able to pay only 12.6% of all claims for 2014—$362 million of the $2.87 billion in claims, and nothing for 2015. Several small insurers, including co-ops that were expected to serve lower-income exchange customers, were effectively starved out of existence. That left roughly a million co-op members high and dry, while reduced competition in their regions drove up costs for many others. Republican critics of the ACA such as House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., touted their shutdowns as evidence of Obamacare’s failure, without making much of the fact that they were responsible for the wreckage."