GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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ivwshane

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In a blow to the GOP, a federal judge orders the government to pay Molina Health $52 million in Obamacare funds.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-molina-52-million-20170807-story.html

This is due to the rider that the repubs put in 2014:
"Then Congressional Republicans threw a wrench into the system. In 2014, the GOP decided to attack the risk corridor program as a “bailout” of insurers, even though the exact same provision was part of the GOP’s 2003 Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit (and still is). The Republicans slipped a rider into the 2014 spending bill decreeing that risk corridor payments could be made only from risk-corridor collections, not the general treasury."

"The consequences of the GOP rider were dire. With payouts limited to collections, HHS was able to pay only 12.6% of all claims for 2014—$362 million of the $2.87 billion in claims, and nothing for 2015. Several small insurers, including co-ops that were expected to serve lower-income exchange customers, were effectively starved out of existence. That left roughly a million co-op members high and dry, while reduced competition in their regions drove up costs for many others. Republican critics of the ACA such as House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., touted their shutdowns as evidence of Obamacare’s failure, without making much of the fact that they were responsible for the wreckage."

Lol! Anyone want to take bets that searay will still keep his head firmly in the sand?
 
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Geekbabe

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I have a Brain MRI next week & a new Mass General Cardiologist incoming, better get all the treatment I can while I can & forget nursing home or out of home hospice care. Trump rolled back rules that allowed residents of those facilities & their families to sue for abuse, neglect or even death
 

brycejones

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Lol! Anyone want to take bets that searay will still keep his head firmly in the sand?

Sorry the source wasn't Hannity on fox so it's meaningless do you have a link to a story by Hannity on this that searay would find credible?
 

fskimospy

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Lol! Anyone want to take bets that searay will still keep his head firmly in the sand?

I thought he already addressed this? He said of the ACA was able to be sabotaged by Republicans that was evidence it should be repealed and replaced by what Republicans want. That's right, his answer to Republicans deliberately hurting him and thousands of other people was that we should give them what they want.

There's nothing he won't excuse.
 

Dulanic

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If it were strictly about the money our Repub Congress would have passed their so called "healthcare reform", screwed 20M Americans & cut taxes for their ultra wealthy donors.

They still need voters even if they wish they didn't. No protesters in Riyadh, right?

It comes down to not enough money to offset the negative opinion some of the moderate republicans would receive.

It passed the house without issue as the house members don't have to fight the other side, gerrymandering took care of that. However, Senate members need to go against a full state of voters. Did they receive enough money to offset the negative public opinion? I'd say no.

We are a oligarchy no question. However, that by no means guarantees passage of something funded by the elite, just highly increases it's chances. If it wasn't for the massive bribery (donations), it wouldn't even had made it this far.
 
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zinfamous

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Yes, we are a nation of laws. I just have No Sympathy for MS13. Do you?

Maybe we just don't understand them...



Exaggerate and misrepresent what I said.

you really do suck at this whole "America" thing, you know?
 

ch33zw1z

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Like most on the right, they operate just fine in their version of america, regardless of how it was started and intended.
 

Jhhnn

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Yup, that's the FYGM mindset.

It's classic divide & conquer strategy, just another wedge issue that prevents us from looking out for each other in a unified way. Building such attitudes has been the decades long effort of right wing propagandists.
 
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ch33zw1z

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It's classic divide & conquer strategy, just another wedge issue that prevents us from looking out for each other in a unified way. Building such attitudes has been the decades long effort of right wing propagandists.
It's the ruling class, avoiding the looming revolt
 

Jhhnn

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It's the ruling class, avoiding the looming revolt

I think they have their own divisions. Some realize that they need to give more back to preserve domestic tranquillity & the common welfare while others see the current situation as an opportunity to beat down the uppity plebes once & for all, to establish the supremacy of wealth over democracy. Crippling the govt of the people is necessary to that goal because it's the only thing we have to stop them.
 
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I have a Brain MRI next week & a new Mass General Cardiologist incoming, better get all the treatment I can while I can & forget nursing home or out of home hospice care. Trump rolled back rules that allowed residents of those facilities & their families to sue for abuse, neglect or even death
I saw that the other day, must be some good money in nursing homes that he and his cronies are willing to let elder abuse happen so they can fatten their bank accounts.
 

brycejones

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I saw that the other day, must be some good money in nursing homes that he and his cronies are willing to let elder abuse happen so they can fatten their bank accounts.

Its all about sticking it to the evil liberal lawyers who file lawsuits against good corporations. The GOP hates lawyers who handle liability cases for plaintiffs.
 

Meghan54

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And the Trump admin's tone changes on the ACA:

Trump administration shifts tone on Obamacare, signals openness to bipartisan 'fix'

"Both folks in the House and the Senate, on both sides of the aisle frankly, have said that Obamacare doesn't work, and it needs to be either repealed or fixed," Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price said on the Fox News program "Fox & Friends." "So the onus is on Congress," he said.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders did not back away from Price's wording when asked whether the administration is serious about a plan to fix the law, rather than repeal it.

"We are always looking for best ways to improve and fix the broken Obamacare system," she said in an email.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...nness-to-bipartisan-fix/ar-AApN4Za?li=BBnb7Kz


Interesting. Maybe the concept of fixing the problems with the ACA is beginning to sink into their heads....hopefully throwing the baby out with the bathwater (repeal) is dead.
 

K1052

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What choice do they really have? Tanking the CSR payments will blow back on them bigly and they'll probably be ordered by courts to pay anyway. McConnell already said they aren't going back to the issue.

The Senate is calling the shots on Trump's agenda now. He's wasted basically all of his political capital in 6 months with nothing to show for it but Russia sanctions.
 

SMOGZINN

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They have finally realized that the only way they are going to win on this issue is to basically reinstate the ACA as it was original intended to work before the Republicans crippled it and then when insurance companies come back into the market and competition drives premiums down they will claim they fixed the Democrats broken system using the power of the Free Market!
 

Jhhnn

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They have finally realized that the only way they are going to win on this issue is to basically reinstate the ACA as it was original intended to work before the Republicans crippled it and then when insurance companies come back into the market and competition drives premiums down they will claim they fixed the Democrats broken system using the power of the Free Market!

Well, yeh, but that won't allow tax cuts for the uber Right uber Rich which is the whole point of the exercise. Those donors will just switch funding to the Teahadis instead of more mainstream Repubs, primary their asses out of power.
 

SMOGZINN

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Well, yeh, but that won't allow tax cuts for the uber Right uber Rich which is the whole point of the exercise. Those donors will just switch funding to the Teahadis instead of more mainstream Repubs, primary their asses out of power.

They lost the fight to cut those taxes, so they will just cut taxes on the uber rich in other places. Don't think they are not still after those tax cuts, they are just going to find them elsewhere. We still have the entire budget and debt ceiling process to go. It will be there that they add the tax cuts on the ultra rich in order to prevent a government shutdown.
 

SMOGZINN

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Meanwhile, during this supposed crisis, health insurers are reaping record profits and their stock prices are skyrocketing:
http://www.courant.com/business/dan...lth-insurer-profits-peril-20170809-story.html

https://www.axios.com/profits-are-booming-at-health-insurance-companies-2418194773.html

We are being played, pure and simple.

I've pointed that out several times. Even when you just look at the ACA market insurance companies are making a hefty profit off of it. They are leaving the markets for political reasons more than direct financial ones. The danger of the ACA market has always been that the politicians are arguing too much about the markets, not that there was not enough profit in it.
 
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