GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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K1052

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Hypothesis, could this happen: GOP pass.. something.. which of course mess up ACA and collapse the healthcare market, make insurance unaffordable for most and no one with per-existing conditions can get coverage (what true free market health insurance would look like). In more liberal states (west coast + NE basically. CO? Maybe FL, but guess old people have medicare, so what do they care?) they have the means and political will to move aggressively to stabilize the market and even offer single payer systems. I believe some have talked about this already. Result is even more fragmented, two-tier system with uninsured, dying, sick people in the middle and south, and almost European-like "socialized medicine" (the horror..) on the coastal states.

Conceivable? What would the federal response be? (Blame Obama..?). Considering the red state rednecks gave us Trump, tea party et.al I'm not sure I see a problem with this..

The GOP bill aims to prohibit any states from using the funds to set up a single payer system. In fact from what I've seen the restrictions on funds will be so severe that a lot of governors are apparently having trouble figuring out what they can actually be used for that would help them at all.

State's rights for conservative policies but Federalism for liberal ones.
 

Jhhnn

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At least some of them seem genuinely confused about what the impacts will be. Which makes sense since the bill proposes radical, previously unanalyzed, changes to the system.

It's feigned ignorance.
 

K1052

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Grahm is starting to get snippy with reporters asking questions about his bill. An unusual sign of stress for him.

Rand Paul now bashing it as "Grahmnesty". Not sure he'll be an easy turn this time.
 

trenchfoot

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Chart showing comparisons of current ACA, the house plan and the new senate plan...

Going to be interesting if this passes to see how a person from one state receives care in another state in an emergency situation, especially if on the state's medicaid plan. Looks like we're going to have 50 or more different regulated healthcare plans going forward.


Love the chart. Thanks for posting. Might not be directly related to the chart, but what I find conspicuously missing from it is the aggregate sum of the tax cuts for the wealthy that each plan wrings out of Obamacare. I say this with the thought in mind of how the tax cuts for the wealthy are such a high priority for the Repubs while they're gleefullly butchering the ACA into bite sized red meat chunks that they will feed their drooling diehard knucklehead constituency with.
 

SMOGZINN

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Grahm is starting to get snippy with reporters asking questions about his bill. An unusual sign of stress for him.

Rand Paul now bashing it as "Grahmnesty". Not sure he'll be an easy turn this time.

He is just playing the game to get a concession so he can add the rider that will allow his colleagues to vote no on the bill as a whole while blaming someone else. Rand Paul is an excellent scape goat for this. He can add something that his followers will love him for and everyone else will hate.
 

K1052

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Graham apparently said that he expects the bill to be on the floor next week.

Also apparently liberal lies/talking points are responsible for their inability to go into detail abut the impacts provisions of their bill could have, notably states waiving pre-existing condition requirements under the defense that according to the bill such insurance still must be "affordable". When asked what "affordable" means Cassidy literally goes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/senat...s-liar-comment-over-health-bill-1050837571649
 
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Jhhnn

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Graham apparently said that he expects the bill to be on the floor next week.

Also apparently liberal lies/talking points are responsible for their inability to go into detail abut the impacts provisions of their bill could have, notably states waiving pre-existing condition requirements under the defense that according to the bill such insurance still must be "affordable". When asked what "affordable" means Cassidy literally goes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/senat...s-liar-comment-over-health-bill-1050837571649

I noticed that Graham didn't say Cassidy isn't a liar- he just said Kimmel should have called Cassidy before saying so...

Graham can def hit the bullshit talking points, can't he?
 

K1052

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I noticed that Graham didn't say Cassidy isn't a liar- he just said Kimmel should have called Cassidy before saying so...

Graham can def hit the bullshit talking points, can't he?

Kimmel should invite both of them on his show for an unedited interview about the merits of the bill.
 

VRAMdemon

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Sooo...Lindsey Graham says that the ACA is merely a step on the slippery slope leading to single-payer, which is "socialism" and will "bust the budget."

Meanwhile, Republicans in the Senate (the place where Graham has his job) agreed to move forward with a budget that will balloon the federal deficit in order to hand the 1% a $1.5 TRILLION dollar tax cut. Because it will "stimulate economic growth" and make magic dollars rain from the sky. Republicans really have to get their stories straight on how they feel about the deficit.

Lindsey Graham also has explicitly come out and said that Graham Cassidy is punitive to four states: CA, NY, MA, and MD. If you are in those states with GOP US Reps (I think MA doesn't have any), call them and tell them that Lindsey Graham is targeting the people of your state.

It's a pretty funny attack, really. He complains that these states get more Medicaid money because they chose to expand Medicaid. Whodathunkit?
 

fskimospy

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Sooo...Lindsey Graham says that the ACA is merely a step on the slippery slope leading to single-payer, which is "socialism" and will "bust the budget."

Meanwhile, Republicans in the Senate (the place where Graham has his job) agreed to move forward with a budget that will balloon the federal deficit in order to hand the 1% a $1.5 TRILLION dollar tax cut. Because it will "stimulate economic growth" and make magic dollars rain from the sky. Republicans really have to get their stories straight on how they feel about the deficit.

Lindsey Graham also has explicitly come out and said that Graham Cassidy is punitive to four states: CA, NY, MA, and MD. If you are in those states with GOP US Reps (I think MA doesn't have any), call them and tell them that Lindsey Graham is targeting the people of your state.

It's a pretty funny attack, really. He complains that these states get more Medicaid money because they chose to expand Medicaid. Whodathunkit?

Republicans are perfectly consistent about how they feel about the deficits.

1) When they are trying to attack social welfare for poor people the deficit is a national crisis which requires us to cut social spending.
2) When they are trying to cut taxes the deficit doesn't matter...except that now we must revisit #1 because our deficit is a national crisis which requires us to cut social welfare for poor people.
 
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K1052

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Prevailing theory is that McConnell is still short but will, again, put it on the floor next week.

Just saw an interesting claim by Cassidy that his governor doesn't oppose the bill....even though Edwards (LA governor) does in fact oppose the bill and signed a bipartisan governors letter opposing the bill.
 

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Prevailing theory is that McConnell is still short but will, again, put it on the floor next week.

Just saw an interesting claim by Cassidy that his governor doesn't oppose the bill....even though Edwards (LA governor) does in fact oppose the bill and signed a bipartisan governors letter opposing the bill.

I have to say the level of outright lying that has become standard in the GOP is truly amazing. I'm not talking about politicians doing the age old spinning, selective quotation, lies by omission, etc, I'm talking about outright lies. Cassidy is now saying his bill will cover more people than the ACA, for example. There is no even remotely likely world where this is the case. Now he's saying his governor doesn't oppose his bill when he signed a letter opposing it (if I remember right). This isn't normal political lying, this is people seeing that Trump has paid no price for years of bald faced lies and figured they might as well get in on it too.
 

VRAMdemon

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Prevailing theory is that McConnell is still short but will, again, put it on the floor next week.

Just saw an interesting claim by Cassidy that his governor doesn't oppose the bill....even though Edwards (LA governor) does in fact oppose the bill and signed a bipartisan governors letter opposing the bill.

John Harwood just tweeted that Rand Paul is a no:

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/910556310479020033

If so, as long as Collins and Murkowski are still no votes, then it's done.
 

K1052

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I have to say the level of outright lying that has become standard in the GOP is truly amazing. I'm not talking about politicians doing the age old spinning, selective quotation, lies by omission, etc, I'm talking about outright lies. Cassidy is now saying his bill will cover more people than the ACA, for example. There is no even remotely likely world where this is the case. Now he's saying his governor doesn't oppose his bill when he signed a letter opposing it (if I remember right). This isn't normal political lying, this is people seeing that Trump has paid no price for years of bald faced lies and figured they might as well get in on it too.

Yes, this has turned into Trump scale lying from the GOP in Congress who's desperation to repeal the ACA has now passed into naked hysteria.
 

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I have to say the level of outright lying that has become standard in the GOP is truly amazing. I'm not talking about politicians doing the age old spinning, selective quotation, lies by omission, etc, I'm talking about outright lies. Cassidy is now saying his bill will cover more people than the ACA, for example. There is no even remotely likely world where this is the case. Now he's saying his governor doesn't oppose his bill when he signed a letter opposing it (if I remember right). This isn't normal political lying, this is people seeing that Trump has paid no price for years of bald faced lies and figured they might as well get in on it too.

Post truth era...woooooooooo!
 
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dainthomas

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Funny how their poor constituents have no problem with these clowns cutting their health care and getting rid of preexisting condition requirements just to "stick it to the libtards" or something. Guess that'll show 'em.
 

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McCain just told somebody that "Nothing has changed. If McConnell wants to put it on the floor, that's up to McConnell". Doesn't feel like a yes vote...

At this point I don't know if McCain can tell you how many BM's he had today let alone telegraph his position on a bill this significant.
 

K1052

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At this point I don't know if McCain can tell you how many BM's he had today let alone telegraph his position on a bill this significant.

Leadership apparently hasn't tried hard to woo him and every time he's asked questions by reporters he asks them if this process looks more like "regular order" (even farther from it than anybody thought possible).

My suspicion is that they are several votes short. Paul seems to know this thus he won't be the one to sink the effort but he can drive an extra knife in it for his "principles".
 

VRAMdemon

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McCain just told somebody that "Nothing has changed. If McConnell wants to put it on the floor, that's up to McConnell". Doesn't feel like a yes vote...

Apparently McConnell's a go for a vote next week, although he's left some wiggle room in order to turtle his way out if the votes fall through.

McCain, in the second story I've read today, is really coming across as a crusty, angry old coot. At least in print.

Asked if that means he’s a "no" vote, McCain said: “That means I want the regular order. It means I want the regular order!”

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Simmer down there, Pops
 

K1052

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McCain, in the second story I've read today, is really coming across as a crusty, angry old coot. At least in print.

Asked if that means he’s a "no" vote, McCain said: “That means I want the regular order. It means I want the regular order!”

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Simmer down there, Pops

Lol, I wonder if one bullshit committee hearing and the full 90 seconds of floor debate will satisfy him.

I'm thinking not.
 

fskimospy

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Apparently McConnell's a go for a vote next week, although he's left some wiggle room in order to turtle his way out if the votes fall through.

McCain, in the second story I've read today, is really coming across as a crusty, angry old coot. At least in print.

Asked if that means he’s a "no" vote, McCain said: “That means I want the regular order. It means I want the regular order!”

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Simmer down there, Pops

By the way think just how small what he is asking is. Basically what he’s saying is that Congress needs to make at least a cursory effort at understanding a law before passing it.

That’s it. How pathetic that the GOP has no interest in it.
 
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