GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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It just makes my head hurt reading comments on other sites arguing *for* this thing. This isn't just about 20 or 30 million people. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US who use any form of health care are impacted by this. Not just people covered by the ACA.

The ACA introduced a TON of expansion money to health care providers. There are thousands of regional hospitals/clinics that sprouted up because of the influx of medicaid dollars. Coverage is also access to care. Regional hospitals thrive off of this since so many of the people in those areas are covered by medicaid dollars. That money goes away and what happens? Those regional hospitals shut down. Access to primary care and non-ICU based care is gone or greatly reduced. People that had a small town hospital are now forced to travel and hour or more to a large hospital. The well above normal pay that the hospital workers and community had from that regional hospital is gone. Jobs are lost. The large hospitals are now forced to take in a higher patient volume than they were prepared for so wait times go up. They are also seeing patients that no longer have any form of major reimbursement so they either have to write it off or jack up the rates for everyone that does have coverage. They are getting a huge reduction in reimbursement as well so they cut back on well paying jobs.

This has such a slippery slope of effect that a gaggle of geriatric old fucks in some mahogany lined state room who don't know the first damn thing about healthcare are driving to save face for promising it for years.

Those states who are benefiting the most are the exact ones that have representatives voting for it.

Keep on MAGA MAGA'ing assholes.
 

UNCjigga

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Welp, my state senators' offices (both GOP in NC) are not really fielding comments from the public because "no vote has been scheduled on this bill". I guess the GOP really just don't give a fsck what constituents think anymore?
 

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Pat Roberts
Look, we’re in the back seat of a convertible being driven by Thelma and Louise, and we’re headed toward the canyon. That’s a movie that you’ve probably never seen —"

Well I'm sold. That explains health policy perfectly.. /s
Pat probably thinks that the Flintstones are a documentary about post Garden of Eden life.
 

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Republican Senator Accidentally Reveals the Toxic Truth Behind the GOP's Latest Health Bill
You know, I could maybe give you 10 reasons why this bill shouldn’t be considered. But Republicans campaigned on this so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign. That’s pretty much as much of a reason as the substance of the bill.

^ OMG, he pretty much says it should NOT pass but that they're too impotent to do anything else.

The donors want it gone so they're giving it a final try, consequences (to us) be damned.
 

UNCjigga

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I don't understand how GOP Senators in favor of this bill have any moral leg to stand on when they claim that Democrats in states like Virginia would "rather play politics" and vote "against their own constituents' best interests" by opposing Graham-Cassidy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the GOP and all their "tea-hadis" pressure Republican governors in red states to vote AGAINST Medicaid expansion under Obamacare? Graham-Cassidy is trying to make up for Republicans' own stupidity by robbing states that expanded Medicaid and gifting SOME of that money back to states that opposed it...but without the mandates and (relatively) affordable coverage that ACA provided.
 

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I don't understand how GOP Senators in favor of this bill have any moral leg to stand on when they claim that Democrats in states like Virginia would "rather play politics" and vote "against their own constituents' best interests" by opposing Graham-Cassidy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the GOP and all their "tea-hadis" pressure Republican governors in red states to vote AGAINST Medicaid expansion under Obamacare? Graham-Cassidy is trying to make up for Republicans' own stupidity by robbing states that expanded Medicaid and gifting SOME of that money back to states that opposed it...but without the mandates and (relatively) affordable coverage that ACA provided.

Pretty simple, they have found out that lying has no consequences.
 

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I don't understand how GOP Senators in favor of this bill have any moral leg to stand on when they claim that Democrats in states like Virginia would "rather play politics" and vote "against their own constituents' best interests" by opposing Graham-Cassidy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the GOP and all their "tea-hadis" pressure Republican governors in red states to vote AGAINST Medicaid expansion under Obamacare? Graham-Cassidy is trying to make up for Republicans' own stupidity by robbing states that expanded Medicaid and gifting SOME of that money back to states that opposed it...but without the mandates and (relatively) affordable coverage that ACA provided.

There is no moral leg. There is simply "Our masters demanded tax cuts and we are selling this as a promise we've made for years to the brainwashed masses that have lapped our bullshit up. Ya'll get fucked".
 

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Republican Senator Accidentally Reveals the Toxic Truth Behind the GOP's Latest Health Bill
You know, I could maybe give you 10 reasons why this bill shouldn’t be considered. But Republicans campaigned on this so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign. That’s pretty much as much of a reason as the substance of the bill.

^ OMG, he pretty much says it should NOT pass but that they're too impotent to do anything else.

That's not what he said. He said the only reason to pass it is to satisfy the tax cut promises they made to their mega rich donors. It'll trickle down into campaign funding & not much further.
 

Jaskalas

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That's not what he said. He said the only reason to pass it is to satisfy the tax cut promises they made to their mega rich donors. It'll trickle down into campaign funding & not much further.

Por que?
From the source...
Chuck Grassley: Fulfilling campaign promise just as important as 'substance' of health bill
“You know, I could maybe give you 10 reasons why this bill shouldn’t be considered,” Grassley said. “But Republicans campaigned on this so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign. That’s pretty much as much of a reason as the substance of the bill.”

Sure... it could also be flavored in your context, but this is the exact quote.
 

zinfamous

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well, it's a good thing that those ~2k or so families that fell into one of the many random and strange holes within the ACA, after a lifetime of unappreciated privilege prior to ACA while all the others suffered, were loud and obnoxious enough to garner the ears and rage of their conservative Masters in Congress, at the expense of 10s of millions of citizens.

minority rage, minority rule. as long as you are white, right, and champion "Bootstraps!, tm"

Never mind fixing the problems, must repeal and destroy, because the angry gaslighted white slaves to the conservative movement must feel that Blacky's reign of terror has been erased, and that more and more poors will suffer as a result. Feels good to be king.

^that is, without hyperbole, the daily thinking of a typical conservative slave.
 

zinfamous

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Grahm-Cassidy shafts a lot of purple and red states in addition to the royal burn down that will be inflicted on NY/CA. Kentucky, Louisiana, Arizona, Alaska, Maine, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada, Colorado, etc stand to loose billions.

As a long term electoral strategy this looks a tad questionable....

if they expect Trump to lose in 2020, then when all this really starts to go into effect, they will just blame it on the Dems in power: SOP for GOP agitprop since 1980
 

K1052

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Now they're going all out trying to buy off Murkowski:

A Republican Senate aide told Independent Journal Review Thursday that Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Bill Cassidy (R-La.) are attempting to buy Sen. Lisa Murkowski's support through new changes to their controversial Obamacare repeal proposal before an expected vote next week.

According to the aide, here is a summary of what the new draft of the bill entails:

"This draft includes 3 separate provisions benefitting Alaska.


  1. Alaska (along with Hawaii) will continue to receive Obamacare’s premium tax credits while they are repealed for all other states. It appears this exemption will not affect Alaska receiving its state allotment under the new block grant in addition to the premium tax credits.


    Delays implementation of the Medicaid per capita caps for Alaska and Hawaii for years in which the policy would reduce their funding below what they would have received in 2020 plus CPI-M.


    Provides for an increased federal Medicaid matching rate (FMAP) for both Alaska and Hawaii."
The changes aren't final, and it remains to be seen whether they'll be enough to win Murkowski's vote.

A spokesperson from Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's office did not respond to request for comment.

http://ijr.com/2017/09/979983-republicans-attempt-buy-murkowskis-vote-new-draft-health-care-bill/

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UNCjigga

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if they expect Trump to lose in 2020, then when all this really starts to go into effect, they will just blame it on the Dems in power: SOP for GOP agitprop since 1980

Just checked--North Carolina stands to lose between $6-$9 billion according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. But I'm sure both Tillis and Burr will vote for this turd and shift the blame over to Democrat governor Roy Cooper when folks lose coverage. The GOP state legislature will also put up all kinds of roadblocks on actually using the block grant funds on poor people too--wouldnt put it past them to single out sickle cell anemia as one of those pre existing conditions that isn't fully covered (how many white people would that affect anyway?)
 

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K1052

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This is passage by attrition of the opposition.

I'm curious how the Rs from the red states that expanded Medicaid or had lots of people sign up for insurance who are getting f'd by this plan will take AK getting a get out of jail free card.

Also the conservatives could be a problem...
 

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Por que?
From the source...
Chuck Grassley: Fulfilling campaign promise just as important as 'substance' of health bill
“You know, I could maybe give you 10 reasons why this bill shouldn’t be considered,” Grassley said. “But Republicans campaigned on this so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign. That’s pretty much as much of a reason as the substance of the bill.”

Sure... it could also be flavored in your context, but this is the exact quote.

Wow!..Todays GOP in a nutshell right there.
 

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Have any Republican posters chimed in on this to defend it?

Not that I know of but I'm sure that they will be here to cheer it when it passes.

There is an article on CNN that basically states that this will open up 50 new healthcare debates (each state) and that's something that I alluded to in an earlier post - 50 different healthcare plans - especially Medicaid paid versions.

Oh, and it pisses me off to no end that Alaska and Hawaii are being offered premium support to help people buy insurance. Outright pure bribery by the GOP. The fact that they threw Hawaii in there has no bearing on the fact that it's simply a bribe to get the Alaska senator to a yes vote.
 
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